SmallBoy
County: Louth
Posts: 89

SmallBoy I'm so glad that my comments have flushed you out. Did you say you're from Drogheda? I knew the Darver post would attract some attention from the Drogheda area as indeed the prospect of playing in Inniskeen. It's easy to see that you don't know anything about kids or how to attract kids into playing Gaelic games. If you want to encourage kids into the GAA in Louth you firstly have to have the toy that kids want ie the big colourful stadium where they go with there dad or mam to watch there county team play. If you can get the attention of kids at a very young age then you may have some hope for the future.But if kids cant even get into a game because of crowd restrictions then we have no hope for the future. Darver is the toy and in between now and its completion Inniskeen is the place to play as Drogheda really has nothing at all that would encourage the people of Louth to get out and support their County.

squidword (Louth) - Posts: 2897 - 15/05/2009 14:22:44    284458

SmallBoy
Did you say you're from Drogheda?

squidword (Louth) - Posts: 2897 - 15/05/2009 14:52:56    284510

Squidword would you ever cop onto yourself. Floushing people out etc its people like you that have the county in the state its in 'Drogheda has nothing to offer' . I'm not from Drogheda and I can tell you its not only there that has no facilities. Will you ever face up to the fact that due to a number of reasons many of which have been listed already, access,residents, hospitals, lack of amenities etc etc , it is not feasible to have Darver as a county ground. The best alternative to the county grounds I've heard so far is DKIT however I remain to be convinced it will come to pass. Darver is going to have special appeal to our children but only as a centre of excellance which non of our other codes can even dream about matching. In the meantime we need to find somewhere that can host 1 or 2 championship matches a year as the Gaelic Grounds and for that matter Dowdallshill can cater for the couple of thousand real dedicated fans that attend our league games.For many reasons mostly monetary the only way we will get a proper county ground is to upgrade an existing facility within one of the 2 towns and at the moment the Gaelic grounds is the only real option and its a shame that the two sides cant come to some sort of agreement on this.

cuchulainn1 (Louth) - Posts: 246 - 15/05/2009 15:00:11    284524

cuchulainn1

the only way we will get a proper county ground is to upgrade an existing facility within one of the 2 towns and at the moment the Gaelic grounds is the only real option and its a shame that the two sides cant come to some sort of agreement on this.

In the interim where do we play if a situation similar to last year crops up or will we have to endure more of the same ......

squidword (Louth) - Posts: 2897 - 15/05/2009 15:28:00    284572

In the meantime we do what we have been doing for the past number of years make a choice between moving to Navan/Parnell park or reducing capacity and play in Drogheda. I totally agree that its not ideal and we lost a great marketing oppurtunity when Tyrone came to town last year but the reality is we are were we are and until a realistic alternative is in the offing we should as other posters have suggested concentrate on building our underage structures to ensure at least the talent pool is coming through in a few years time.

cuchulainn1 (Louth) - Posts: 246 - 15/05/2009 15:58:41    284612

squidword where do we play if a situation similar to last year crops up or will we have to endure more of the same cuchulainn1 we do what we have been doing for the past number of years make a choice between moving to Navan/Parnell park or reducing capacity and play in Drogheda. cuchulainn1 You must therefore have something personal against both Inniskeen and Monaghan if you refuse to see that the Inniskeen venue which is on our doorstep is not an alternative to your three. I'm truly amazed that you believe reducing the capacity and play in Drogheda is an better alternative than to play in Inniskeen. Why do not want our children to be present because that's what you re doing. Children whom may I add the future of our games do in fact lie with. Do you actually think that your views pertaining to venues where Louth might play truly represent the views of the majority of Louth people. It has to be Dundalk or Drogheda what a load bull I can see it clearly now the amount of respect that we have for our players in the county but in particular our senior lads who train many nights throughout the year in all weathers we cant even provide them with a decent playing surface the least that they deserve. SHAME ON ALL OF YOU WITHIN THE COUNTY WHO CAN RECTIFY THIS AND WONT.

squidword (Louth) - Posts: 2897 - 15/05/2009 17:08:54    284695

Is this the same Squidword professing such heartfelt concern for our players who said on the national pages that he doesn't think that these players are capable of doing their talking on the pitch on Sunday? You may have concern for their welfare but you certainly have no respect for their ability.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6181 - 15/05/2009 17:56:58    284736

Greengrass Is this the same Squidword professing such heartfelt concern for our players who said on the national pages that he doesn't think that these players are capable of doing their talking on the pitch on Sunday? You may have concern for their welfare but you certainly have no respect for their ability. Greengrass my God my God why have you forsaken me when I have nothing but respect for your good-self. squidword County: Louth Posts: 330 284002 Real Louth fan County: Louth Posts: 1576 283975 Luke is being very astute in running down Carlow's chances. It's the oldest trick!! RLF if Eamonn McEneaney made the same type of assertion as Luke Dempsey you would be down on him like a ton of bricks for sending out negative vibes to his players on the eve of there championship starting. Astute as Dempsey may well be his players could only see his comments as being some what negative. Therefore if its mind games he's at I think he would do well to stick to the football end of things and let his team do the talking on the pitch that's if they are able to which I for one very much doubt.. Greengrass if you read it again you will realise that I am talking about the Carlow team and not the Louth lads. PS. No need to apologize

squidword (Louth) - Posts: 2897 - 15/05/2009 18:30:15    284774

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283975 Luke is being very astute in running down Carlow's chances. It's the oldest trick!!

RLF if Eamonn McEneaney made the same type of assertion as Luke Dempsey you would be down on him like a ton of bricks for sending out negative vibes to his players on the eve of there championship starting. Astute as Dempsey may well be his players could only see his comments as being some what negative. Therefore if its mind games he's at I think he would do well to stick to the football end of things and let his team do the talking on the pitch that's if they are able to which I for one very much doubt..

If you look again you will see I was referring to the Carlow team and not the Louth lads

squidword (Louth) - Posts: 2897 - 15/05/2009 19:17:00    284805

Point taken and apologies made Squidword.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6181 - 15/05/2009 20:00:19    284836

Squidword you keep banging on about developing Darver i would suggest you read all the posts on this topic b4 you post again. The CB are skint i.e. they haven't a pot to **** in,so forget about Darver and anywhere else for that matter being developed they missed the boat when the country was awash with money 'BAD MANAGMENT'

am33 (Louth) - Posts: 167 - 17/05/2009 09:36:59    285500

am33
I am fully aware of the state of the counties finances so let me put it this way if and when the county get back on there feet any and all monies available should be put into the Darver project. who are you any Eddie Hobbs.

squidword (Louth) - Posts: 2897 - 17/05/2009 10:21:06    285519

Doesn't matter where I'm from Squidword were all Louth people, and I don't care were county games are played, you on the other hand seem to be dead against playing them in Drogheda!! I didn't and don't have a problem heading anywhere in Louth to watch the county play, I do however have I problem with your suggestion to spend every penny on Darver. This would mean vital funds will be diverted away from already underfunded teams!! I mean how many other counties minor teams have had to self fundraise so that they can go on a training weekend?? Unreal!!

Well done yesterday Louth!!

SmallBoy (Louth) - Posts: 297 - 18/05/2009 08:59:02    286063

Listen Squidword or spongebob or whatever your name is I am well able to talk for myself thanks and at no stage did I say I had a problem with Iniskeen or Monaghan for that matter(although In years gone by I felt that Monaghan where gaining to much of an influence in Louth GAA considering their own record). You spouted out some drivel about playing league games in Iniskeen and I merely pointed out to you that we dont need to move any league games out of the county we never have capacity issues for league games. If you read my post I have given you the reasons why we cant move to Darver or any other area in the county (hospitals,roads,parking,facilities) but you have chosen to ignore this. I am merely pointing out the requirements for having a county ground and the only places at the minute in Louth that have most of these facilities are Dundalk and Drogheda. Are you proposing that along with Developing a ground the county Board should build a major road, hospital, parking etc ? as I said in my last post, cop on to yourself and be realistic.

cuchulainn1 (Louth) - Posts: 246 - 18/05/2009 09:54:08    286091

There has been talk of developing the Drogheda grounds for the past 30 years , and while some work was done with the stand and press box , this compares very badly with the ammount of work carried out in that time by the clubs many of whom were homeless 30 years ago and who have developed excellent facilities from scratch . the CB has missed the boat , money has dried up as there is little hope of getting government assistance and the man in the street is being asked to support more and more cash strapped causes .
Baltray was praised over the weekend for its excellent facilities but last year Tyrone's visit to Drogheda and next door neighbours Drogheda United having to play in Dalymount Park for their European matches said a lot about the lack decent stadia in Drogheda

Millmountharps (Louth) - Posts: 221 - 18/05/2009 12:24:53    286313

"If you want to encourage kids into the GAA in Louth you firstly have to have the toy that kids want"

Squidword, you are deluded. If you think having a big shiny toy is going to make Louth successful, you need to wake up from whatever dreamland your in. Our neighbours in Armagh havent had a "toy" for the last 10 years and it didnt stop them from being successful. Longford and Carlow have nice "toys" but i havent seen them winning Leinster, never mind Sam Maguire, in the recent past (or have they any chance of winning one any time in the near future).

The ONLY way to improve Louths stock is to start at the bottom with the kids by providing, in schools and in their clubs, quality coaching and a structured programme of games . Otherwise we'll just keep losing kids to competing sports, none of whom i might add have "toys".

I for one, would rather see the millions that would be spent on developing a "toy" spent on the grassroots of the county.

Another thing! While im sure Iniskeen is a fine facility, id rather Louth played in Louth, be it Drogheda, Dowdalshill or even Cuchullainn Gaels home pitch (no offence intended to anyone in omeath). The only reason anyone missed out on the Tyrone game is health and safety gone mad. The capacity of the Gaelic Grounds is well over 4000 people, as anyone who attended games in the 80s or 90s could tell you. Have a look on youtube at the kildare game in 91 and tell me what the crowd was?

The great thing about the GAA squidword, is that its a democracy. If you want any of your suggestions to come to pass, i suggest you go to your clubs AGM, get elected as CB delegate and start doing something about it. Put up or shut up time!

Hon D Lu (Louth) - Posts: 126 - 18/05/2009 12:51:06    286368

18/05/2009 09:54:08
cuchulainn1

You spouted out some drivel about playing league games in Iniskeen and I merely pointed out to you that we dont need to move any league games out of the county we never have capacity issues for league games.

Where did I "spout out some drivel about playing league games in Inniskeen"?

Thanking you in anticiptation.
Squidword

squidword (Louth) - Posts: 2897 - 18/05/2009 13:26:04    286429

By the looks of it squidword you are causing plenty of rifts within the louth forum with your silly ideas. I think you should take a break from this website.

MuineachanAbu (Monaghan) - Posts: 660 - 18/05/2009 13:57:32    286476

18/05/2009 08:59:02 SmallBoy County: Louth Posts: 90 I don't care were county games are played, you on the other hand seem to be dead against playing them in Drogheda!! I didn't and don't have a problem heading anywhere in Louth to watch the county play I have attended each and everyone of Louth's games in Drogheda this year and in the main I did not have any problems with Drogheda being the chosen venue for any of the games. I do however have a problem with Drogheda being the venue for fixtures such as the one we had last year against Tyrone my reasons have already being explained in previous posts. I would like to ask you this question SmallBoy ; Would you consider the Inniskeen venue as being another option for Louth in the event of a fixture similar to the Tyrone one of last year arising in the future or do you agree with cuchulainn1 in that the only options available for Louth are Parnell Park , Navan or reduce the capacity of Drogheda.

squidword (Louth) - Posts: 2897 - 18/05/2009 13:58:49    286479

Squidword you seem intent on pushing silly ideas forward here and not looking at the situation with a rationale. Now I've never been to Inniskeen, but I would be intrigued to know the capacity? As Cuchulainn pointed out, we don't need to switch venues for league games and looking at the attendance at yesterdays game I wouldn't see a reason why the game would need to be switched either (although insurance bodies might have a different opinion), attendance 5,500, I've seen crowds of over 15,000 in Drogheda back in the day. Now as I've pointed out to you in my previous post the pressing issue is on the football side of things, we're perennial failures and we just don't seem to be able to bring talent through (especially in urban areas). You foolishly wrote in you're original post back to me that "you don't know anything about kids or how to attract them into playing Gaelic games" and about using a "big colouful stadium" as a toy to entice them to play. Now the lack of a good facility is an issue, but not as you suggested "where they go with there mam and dad to watch there county team play" but to actually play on it themselves, and if we'd any ambition the "big colourful stadium" that they should want to play in is Croke Park. Now attracting kids is about taking them into an environment where the training is hard but enjoyable, making them feel they are part of something that they have a future in, learning something that they're enjoying, and making sure that they have games to play. The better the gear you provide will also help their mindset!! Small things impact on children, and if you get them into this environment, where they are enjoying what they are doing and feel that they can be real players in successful teams then you'll keep them playing GAA, not because we have a "big colourful stadium". The time to get real is now; all the bickering on this site about the lack of a county ground and the blame being apportioned to everyone and anyone is ridiculous. It is overlooking the real issues of nurturing players and trying to improve our footballers and become a force within Gaelic football once more!! You can have a really nice Stadium like Hon D Lu has pointed out and no success. Or you can focus on trying to build success and Squidword you don't build success with bricks and mortar!! We have a big population within the county, so let's try and develop our teams, I'm no expert on how to do it but within the county there are enthusiastic coaches who I know are looking to try and develop squads and improve players but presently the well is dry as this costs money to do. So instead of "all monies available should be put into the Darver project", which I understand needs to be completed for training puposes so a facility is there to develop players. Why not try and balance the books with some money getting put by for players' development!!

SmallBoy (Louth) - Posts: 297 - 18/05/2009 14:02:51    286484