06/04/2009 10:11:09 thykingdomcome County: Kerry Posts: 314 249133 Real Louth fan County: Louth Posts: 1196 Overall though for me it's Mickey Harte as he has won his 3 All-Irelands more closely together in time (indicating consistency) and against a much more competitive environment than O' Dwyer. What a rediculous argument !! If that is your argument you went with the wrong manager. It's an opinion no right or wrong dude! You wouldn't be biased would you. Harte won almost as many matches in one year as O'Dwyer did in his whole time with Kerry. Likewise Boylan. That's an alarming enough statistic. O'Dwyer is not even at the races with these two.

Real Louth fan (Louth) - Posts: 3157 - 06/04/2009 10:43:02    249170

06/04/2009 10:35:52 tomaoo7 County: Dublin Posts: 2177 249157 thykingdomcome County: Kerry Posts: 314 249133 Rlf has gone to stirring it up now all the time.Micko dwyer nobody could come close to him.Sean boylan after that .Im sure dublin would have had some manager along the road. It's a pity that you see valid opinion as being so threatening.

Real Louth fan (Louth) - Posts: 3157 - 06/04/2009 10:43:50    249171

I understand your bitterness to boylan,I dont understand how you can say micko dwyer was,nt the best .

tomaoo7 (Dublin) - Posts: 5896 - 06/04/2009 11:03:40    249202

I'm not bitter towards Boylan at all. His record of 23 years 4 All-Irelands and 8 Leinster titles speaks for itself. Not to mention the Centenary cup and league titles. I don't like Meath but that's a seperate entirley. The man has an incredible managerial record.

But in his day (while you can only beat what is put in front of you) i don't believe that O'Dwyer faced anything like the intensity that Boylan and Harte faced.

Real Louth fan (Louth) - Posts: 3157 - 06/04/2009 11:29:47    249237

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Overall though for me it's Mickey Harte as he has won his 3 All-Irelands more closely together in time

Real louth fan, you said this and it IS wrong dude. You are saying that in your opinion Mickey Harte has won his 3 all Irelands more closely together than Micko dwyers 4 in a roaw or his 3 in a row??

That is what you said afterall. Sorry but it is a rediculous OPINION.

thykingdomcome (Kerry) - Posts: 1206 - 06/04/2009 11:44:20    249255

RLF I think you can't look past O'Dwyer. Repeated success, a 4 in a row, a 3 in a row, narrowly beaten for a 5 in a row, success with Kildare, Laois and Wicklow getting their first victory in Championship in Croker. Think back to when he left Kerry & took over Kildare - he guided them to the league final in his very first season where they lost to the Dubs by a point. Everywhere he's gone he's done well. Remember that when he managed Kerry every year 5 or 6 of his panel were living in Dublin & could not train with the others and Micheal O'Muircheartaigh had to train them. So although you say he didn't face the competition that there is now, he faced other challenges and overcame them.

Micko is the greatest.

slayer (Limerick) - Posts: 6480 - 06/04/2009 11:44:29    249256

O'Dwyer, Harte and Boylan are without doubt the best three managers of the last 40 years !!

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 06/04/2009 11:50:10    249271

06/04/2009 11:44:20 thykingdomcome County: Kerry Posts: 316 249255 249133 Real Louth fan County: Louth Posts: 1196 Overall though for me it's Mickey Harte as he has won his 3 All-Irelands more closely together in time Real louth fan, you said this and it IS wrong dude. You are saying that in your opinion Mickey Harte has won his 3 all Irelands more closely together than Micko dwyers 4 in a roaw or his 3 in a row?? That is what you said afterall. Sorry but it is a rediculous OPINION. Yeah but you are getting mixed up my friend and reading selectively. I said "...and against a much more competitive environment..." This was combined with "...won his 3 All-Irelands more closely together in time...". Put the two together and for these two combined reasons I believe he is the top manager at present but not much between him and Boylan. You have to read more holistically and not so selectively. Ok? Winning in a more "competitive environment" is an opinion on Harte and Boylan that a lot of people would agree with. You are entitled to post your opinion if you wish this message will support that. But there is no baggage in mine and I am even backing an old enemy! Understand this time?

Real Louth fan (Louth) - Posts: 3157 - 06/04/2009 12:00:56    249284

Just to add a bit about Micko with Kerry, they won the 4 in a row 78, 79, 80 & 81. They lost to Offaly by a point (1-15 to 0-17) in the 1982 final. They lost to Cork by a point (3-10 to 3-9) in the 1983 Munster final. There was no back door so they had to wait until 1984 to see championship action again. They won the finals of 84, 85 & 86. That's 9 years of championship action where they won 7 All-Ireland's and 8 Munster titles. They had 2 defeats, both by one point. They beat Roscommon, Cork, Dublin, Tyrone, Monaghan and Meath. Remember that they beat Meath in 1986 and Meath went on to win the titles of 87 & 88. Granted that Meath had to play Matin O'Connell full forward in that game and Wille Maher came off the bench to score a goal to seal it as Kerry won 2-13 to 0-12. So at the end of that spell, an up & coming Meath took over from Kerry. I think that says it all about how good Kerry were under Micko. 1978-86 was sheer Kerry dominance.

slayer (Limerick) - Posts: 6480 - 06/04/2009 12:02:25    249287

I am not saying Micko is hopeless. He has won All-Irelands you can't deny that. Although with Kildare he played Louth twice in the championship (1991 & 1994) and we beat them twice. Once in Drogheda and once in Newbridge. Does that make the Louth man a great manager?? I think not but it does challenge Mickos run at the title "best manager of all time" if he couldn't beat a team like Louth on two ocassions home and away.

Remember he needed a good few runs at it in Kildare before he got it and then again his timing was lucky. The Dubs and Meath were weak. He left and came back again. Also he doesn't part-take in league training with Wicklow and leaves them to it when Tommy Murphy comes along. That needs to be taken into account. I was surprised to hear also when Laois took a beating by Dublin some years back that O'Dwyer decided he needed to come back. He was still actually manager so where was he?? Boylan would never abandon his lads, nor Harte.

However, we are positing our opinions on who we individually believe the best manager is and I have posted mine quite clearly. Up to you if you don't like it. I don't have a problem with that or your choice.

It's a democracy after all.

Real Louth fan (Louth) - Posts: 3157 - 06/04/2009 12:11:33    249300

06/04/2009 11:44:20 thykingdomcome County: Kerry Posts: 317 Real louth fan, you said this and it IS wrong dude. You are saying that in your opinion Mickey Harte has won his 3 all Irelands more closely together than Micko dwyers 4 in a roaw or his 3 in a row?? That is what you said afterall. Sorry but it is a rediculous OPINION. Yeah but you are getting mixed up my friend and reading selectively. I said "...and against a much more competitive environment..." This was combined with "...won his 3 All-Irelands more closely together in time...". Put the two together and for these two combined reasons I believe he is the top manager at present but not much between him and Boylan. You have to read more holistically and not so selectively. Ok? Winning in a more "competitive environment" is an opinion on Harte and Boylan that a lot of people would agree with. You are entitled to post your opinion if you wish this message will support that. But there is no baggage in mine and I am even backing an old enemy! Understand this time?

Real Louth fan (Louth) - Posts: 3157 - 06/04/2009 12:18:47    249309

RLF,

If you think it is a more competitive environment now, then you may be right and it is an opinion that you are entitled to. I think you might be right that it is more competitive now although someone could argue that really there are only 2 teams now capable of winning as seen over the last 6 years and at times mickey's teams have gone missing.

However, trying to slip an untruth in slyly, in order to bolster your argument is something that if you get pulled on you have to retract. There is no evidence to back up your statement of Mickey more consistently winning All Irelands. It's not true.

thykingdomcome (Kerry) - Posts: 1206 - 06/04/2009 13:07:08    249380

06/04/2009 13:07:08
thykingdomcome
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249380 RLF,

If you think it is a more competitive environment now, then you may be right and it is an opinion that you are entitled to. I think you might be right that it is more competitive now although someone could argue that really there are only 2 teams now capable of winning as seen over the last 6 years and at times mickey's teams have gone missing.

However, trying to slip an untruth in slyly, in order to bolster your argument is something that if you get pulled on you have to retract. There is no evidence to back up your statement of Mickey more consistently winning All Irelands. It's not true.


Sorry but where is the "untruth"?

Real Louth fan (Louth) - Posts: 3157 - 06/04/2009 14:08:30    249466

why do we always have to have threada about the best of this and the best of that - can we not just celebrate the fact that for an amatuer sport we have so many fine managers at club and county level. Guys who when compared to our over-paid friends across the water are a credit to the whole GAA family.

bocerty (Tyrone) - Posts: 539 - 06/04/2009 14:57:16    249535

Already highlighted it.

thykingdomcome (Kerry) - Posts: 1206 - 06/04/2009 14:57:40    249537

06/04/2009 14:57:40
thykingdomcome
County: Kerry
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249537 Already highlighted it


Yeah but you are not making sense so I thought I would ask for clarification. Manager from 2002 - 2008. 3 All-Ireland wins, 2 Ulster titles and 2 League titles.

AND all of this in an extremely competitive environment which is the point you'd most like to ignore. I said this from the start that these two combined reasons made him in my opinion the best manager thus far. You are entitled to yours as is the essence of this thread.

But I can see the furrow on your brow. You're not getting it even though I had to highlight it for you, are you?

Real Louth fan (Louth) - Posts: 3157 - 06/04/2009 15:08:15    249558

Derek Davis!

TheBear (Wicklow) - Posts: 14 - 06/04/2009 15:12:28    249569

how does that work RLF? Mick O'Dwyer won more all irelands in a tighter amount of time and did not have a second chance with the back door system... He also went to kildare and wicklow and improved their fortunes fairly dramatically... Micky harte has only ever had success with tyrone and done it with the best group of players they ever had...

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 06/04/2009 15:26:44    249593

In fairness you did say Mickey Harte won his all ireland's more closely together. You can't get much closer together than winning it 4 years in a row!

maiden (Down) - Posts: 85 - 06/04/2009 15:32:27    249602

cant put it passed Micko as the best manager


best underated manager is Pat Roe though

Duffy89 (Wexford) - Posts: 3320 - 06/04/2009 15:43:59    249620