TheMaster
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No patrique it wasnt a draw, utd won on penalties, thats why they are the holders...

The english league is the best domestic league going so why shouldnt they want to win it? Liverpool have won the CL but want the league, could you explain that?



The SKY league is very poor, let's face it, in the last few years only Man City have made it to the last 8 in UEFA Cup, a true test of the depth of a league. And as a City fan I can tell you, they are a very poor team.

And I already explained why Liverpool fans want to win the league. I shall reproduce it now from an earlier post.


Alas however England is an island with an island mentality and think winning the English league is the greatest achievement in world football.

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 01/04/2009 21:54:01    245811

The premiership is the most televised domestic league troughout the world, so why is it the sky league? The uefa cup is not a true test of anything, spurs played a weakened team in the uefa cup to make sure they had firsrt choice for the league... The reason for this is that football is driven by money, but thats all football, it is incorrect to label only the english league... The fact that it is the most televised indicates that it is the most entertaining league

This island mentality myth is inaccurate, for example inter milan have pushed very hard to win their domestic league, they did not start resting players once they were comfortably in the top 4...Similarly barcelona are still playing full strength selections in spain

does this mean that irish lads should forget about the all-ireland and concentrate on the international rules? This is a faceacious notion but is similar to the angle you are arguing

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 02/04/2009 14:01:53    246358

UEFA Cup....Porstmouth 2-2 AC Milan
Milan got a draw by scoring twice in the last 10minutes

Plastic Paddy (Tyrone) - Posts: 664 - 02/04/2009 14:21:02    246381

Patrique, I could be wrong but did Spurs not get to the semis or quarters last year losing on penalties to PSV. Bolton got to the last eight a few years ago and threw in the towel by paying the reserves against Sporting.

Like it or lump it, the premiership is the highest standard of football at this moment in time, Whether this is down to money or not I'm not sure but its a better league than the Spanish or Italian.

In the past those leagues were better but not by as much as people thought. Sure up until the heysel ban, English/British teams took care of the Italian and Spanish teams with the minimum of fuss. Theres a very smug attitude to the Premiership form the continent where they think the league became a success due to the influx of foreigners, but the league was arguably stronger in European trophy-winning terms when the players were British or Irish or the odd Scandinavian.

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12439 - 02/04/2009 14:23:44    246393

PS Patrique,

I'm a huge fan of Italian football, the national team and the league so I'm not simply blowing up the premiership cos its on the tv all the time.

Italian clubs haven't got as good a record as the make out. Milan have a good record. Juventus can claim to have one too, but a huge cloud hangs over them due to the calciopoli scandal, and the "supplements" scandal amongst many others. Inter Milan haven't got to a European Cup final in 30 odd years. Roma were pretty good in the 80s though.

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12439 - 02/04/2009 14:37:37    246429

Yes breffni ur right, and i think platini and co try to dampen the success of the english league at every turn... They are against england hosting a world cup which seems to be only down to the fact that they dont want to see their football do well... They also have an issue with the english teams being stronger and want to even it out but were very silent when valencia, real madrid and barcelona were repeatedly contesting the latter stages of the CL... Then there was platinis 'idea' for soccer to be a non-contact sport! Now im no ENG-GER-LAND enthusiast but I have to say that they seem to be getting a raw deal from platini and his cronies... They seem a jealous bunch

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 02/04/2009 14:57:35    246465

02/04/2009 14:57:35 TheMaster County: Mayo Posts: 724 Master, you got the bit about money right. The Sky League came into being in 1992/93 season. Since then Sky decide when the games are played, who plays who, and so on. They have also successfully managed to omit any mention of football before 1992, as though the game was invented then. And it is the FANS who have the island mentality. A public limited company, as united were/are has a first duty by law to reward share holders. So, if Sky say their league is the greatest pinnacle in world football, sell it to a completely new fan base (yuppies and women), well the fans believe the media hype. I seriouslyu believe that Ferguson's disastrous record is due to the board. If the share holders can make so many millions by winning the premiership, and the island mentality fans are happy, well why spend £25 million on Essien to replace Keane, or £30 million on Ronaldinho a few years back just to win in Europe? You win the CL but you are costing the shareholders money. Now that all the money is in England, West Brom will earn more for finishing bottom of the Sky league than say Bayern would make from winning the champions league, they are now able to attract a fair proportion of good foreign talent. This allied with traditional British hard work is now too good for Italian clubs bar Milan, and maybe Barcelona in Spain. However the real superstars, the Kakas, Zidanes and Ronaldinhos and such as not so keen to play in England because the likes of Nolan or such could break your leg and finish your career very quickly. So with football being totally capitalist the richest will dominate. As I said earlier, United winning the premiership is like Abramhovic out bidding me at an auction.

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 03/04/2009 00:50:59    247071

More half truths patrique, if it is the sky league then how can the likes of setanta show games that sky cannot? Ur reasons about the ommision of pre 92 are inaccurate also, they are mentioned just as much as the 1991 all ireland series is mentioned, that is to say not regularly, but purely for the reason that it is in the relatively distant past, not because of some conspiricy... I go back to the same point about the island mentality which was ignored, i.e. why do non-island teams like barcalona and inter milan continue to push to win their respective domestic leagues when they are already garanteed a top 4 finish? They are exibiting ur famed 'island mentality' even though they are non-island sides 'Ferguson's disastrous' decisions have brought him a league and CL double last year, and also leaves him on course for a quadruple this year... He has achieved this without spending the money you believe he should have so in what aspect are these decisions disastrous? West Brom will earn more for finishing bottom of the Sky league than say Bayern would make from winning the champions league If this was true then surely utd chelsea and co would be aiming to finish bottom than win the CL? Why is english clubs attracting foreign talent such an issue when real madrid have been doing the same for a much longer period? If kaka and co are afraid to come up against a fellow professional in kevin nolan then that indicates a lack in ambition and a fear to conquer all aspects of their profession, a look good and lose mentality. I know this is not true but simply ur take on it to suit ur argument. As i said before money does have a lot of sway in football, but that isnt a premier league issue, its a world football issue. Just like the dubs getting to play in croker because they fill it up, it is in all aspects of sport... I believe ur argument places u firmly in the platini and pals brigade

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 03/04/2009 11:52:47    247282

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Master, you got the bit about money right.

The Sky League came into being in 1992/93 season. Since then Sky decide when the games are played, who plays who, and so on. They have also successfully managed to omit any mention of football before 1992, as though the game was invented then.

And it is the FANS who have the island mentality. A public limited company, as united were/are has a first duty by law to reward share holders. So, if Sky say their league is the greatest pinnacle in world football, sell it to a completely new fan base (yuppies and women), well the fans believe the media hype. I seriouslyu believe that Ferguson's disastrous record is due to the board. If the share holders can make so many millions by winning the premiership, and the island mentality fans are happy, well why spend £25 million on Essien to replace Keane, or £30 million on Ronaldinho a few years back just to win in Europe? You win the CL but you are costing the shareholders money.


Now that all the money is in England, West Brom will earn more for finishing bottom of the Sky league than say Bayern would make from winning the champions league, they are now able to attract a fair proportion of good foreign talent. This allied with traditional British hard work is now too good for Italian clubs bar Milan, and maybe Barcelona in Spain.

However the real superstars, the Kakas, Zidanes and Ronaldinhos and such as not so keen to play in England because the likes of Nolan or such could break your leg and finish your career very quickly.

So with football being totally capitalist the richest will dominate.

As I said earlier, United winning the premiership is like Abramhovic out bidding me at an auction.

Jees, Patrique. I don't think you even convinced yourself with that argument. You think the premiership is inferior and you're jumping through hoops trying to justify it.

Your point about Essien and Ronaldinho is perplexing to say the least. Ferguson hardly though tof the shareholders buying Veron/Berbatov/Rooney/Ferdinand and probably Tevez.

The point about tackles from Kevin Nolan is, well, nonsense unfortunately. If I was Kaka, I'd be more worried about Materazzi than Kevin Nolan to be honest. The spanish and the Italian leagues are notorious for their hatchet men as well.

Money was the be-all and end-all for Serie A a few years ago and once it dried up, the league is in free fall.

What you should do is apply the same cynical attitude you have to the premiership to Serie A and La liga and you'll find it fits perfectly.

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12439 - 03/04/2009 13:56:40    247421

Miguel Delaney in the Tribune stealing my posts.

"Ronaldo, aspects of his game are top class, but he is over rated. Contrary to popular opinion unless he has ten yards of space to run into, he cannot actually beat a player with technique or guile".

I have been saying that for three years.

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 05/04/2009 14:51:55    248497

Utd getting beat 2-1 nearly over season is over now .

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 05/04/2009 17:49:37    248556

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Ah patrique ronaldo is the best player in the world and still young.

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 05/04/2009 17:52:32    248559

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248556 Utd getting beat 2-1 nearly over season is over now .


Wrong again del

PJ (None) - Posts: 2288 - 05/04/2009 17:57:35    248568

Well well well 3-2 to utd brilliant ronaldo .

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 05/04/2009 18:01:51    248573

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248559 patrique
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Ah patrique ronaldo is the best player in the world and still young.


A cheat should never be called the best player in the world.

PJ (None) - Posts: 2288 - 05/04/2009 18:05:29    248575

Macheda what a goal!!! United for quintuple

trimmer (Meath) - Posts: 553 - 05/04/2009 18:07:30    248577

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Macheda what a goal!!! United for quintuple


i second that

Duffy89 (Wexford) - Posts: 3320 - 05/04/2009 18:15:38    248584

PJ
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Your jealous of tyrone and now ronaldo vivo ronaldo.

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 05/04/2009 18:20:41    248587

Fair play to Utd, they never give up, as a Pool supporter its not easy to say that, but credit where credit is due.

PJ (None) - Posts: 2288 - 05/04/2009 18:21:51    248589

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248587 PJ
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Your jealous of tyrone and now ronaldo vivo ronaldo.


Not jealous of ronaldo no, jealous of utd yes of course. Tyrone lol, Why would I be Jealous of a team that has only won 3 All Irelands in the last 124 years, jealous of Kerry would be more like It.

PJ (None) - Posts: 2288 - 05/04/2009 18:27:02    248597