If club officers suspect that a player on an opposing team is not eligible to play in a match they should know what to do. If they dont know then they should ask the county secretary what they need to do or read the official guide. If they cant be bothered to do either of the above but want to go on about alleged illegal players, then why are they club officers? I am sure that St Brendans & St Barnabas appreciate the remarks made by a previous poster, who suggests that illegal players were involved in a match but offers no evidence or proof................a bit cheap really. There was a bloke a few years ago who started telling people that Warwickshire had spent £10k on sending a minor football team to Ireland. He was telling people this garbage at a function and they accepted what he said as having some truth in it. He knew it was not true but just wanted to stir things up so started a nasty rumour. Now people can do that via the internet! No-one illegal should be playing in Warwickshire or anywhere, but its the clubs who feel they are being cheated who need to produce the evidence or the names of the individuals involved in the form of an objection lodged properly within the timescale required. Dont leave it to the County Board to do your dirty work for you.

patrick (UK) - Posts: 52 - 08/09/2009 18:38:43    419700

Millbrook who were the 3 players in question? I assume they are all on the Brendans side as I can assure you all Barnabas transfers are up to date, check out the GAA website

nottingham_gael (Kerry) - Posts: 23 - 08/09/2009 18:39:29    419701

its no wind up i have the team photo from chicago to back this up unless he has a twin brother chris also played out there earlier in the year what else was he out there for surely not sightseeing any way besides that what about the macs player who gets dropped for him after playing all year trevor neville is a true macs man if he sits on the bench on sunday and doesnt grumble

hagan (Donegal) - Posts: 99 - 08/09/2009 21:37:47    419850

hagan,since when did you become a Macs selector ???? Why presume Neville will be on the bench. And can you stop with your bull !!!!!

moonshine (UK) - Posts: 297 - 08/09/2009 22:10:17    419900

Hagan, if you have this 'photo' do you not think it would have been more worthwhile producing it when your club (EGB???) played Macs in the Championship considering Chris ripped your backs apart??

On another note, I dont think the problem of illegal players is as bad as is being suggested. With the lack of senior teams, teams are now very fatmiliar with each other and a 'ringer' would stick out like a sore thumb. The process of flying players in for games in the county does not happen anymore, although a certain prominent team have been accused of doing so in the later provincial competitions.

Hobo (Kildare) - Posts: 79 - 08/09/2009 22:24:07    419918

This is my last ever post since the FA have fined and suspended me but I will say this much everyone complaining about the blitz on Saturday should look at the clubs not the county board it has been advertised on the website and I know clubs were given advance notice stop making scape goats we had over 15 lads out yet you all claim we're the club in trouble. Agree with other posting, hagan could you not have done us all a favour and produced this picture when we played them in the championship we could have be out on Sunday playing, as for whatever reason everyone seems to think we can do what we want and the county lets us. Any way it's been fun and I sign off singing not my way but 'O the grand of duke of York he had 10,000 men ........'

egbhardcore (UK) - Posts: 25 - 08/09/2009 22:44:33    419946

lmo just to set the record straight, Buda and Mulhern were both playing in the back line that day. The backline that day was Buda, Mulhern, Shane MacNamara, Ed O'Regan, Jarlath Daly and Tom Marray. Has been for nearly every game. you must have the numbers mixed up mate.

nottingham_gael (Kerry) - Posts: 23 - 08/09/2009 23:05:54    419966

lmo , i see you are taking a good interest in St Barnabas at the moment , according to you they were sucking their thumbs last weekend , when they should have been playing football, i also see that you are familiar with their squad as you have been looking at their player profiles , and reading previous teamsheets. I know they are looking for someone to organise a social night shortly , maybe you can help out with this , ( we could have it in Birmingham if you wish ) you can put some face's to some names and meet the full squad in person, as Nottingham gael has said i think that you will find the Barnabas house is all in order and above board.

carracastle (Mayo) - Posts: 34 - 09/09/2009 07:59:26    420135

Does anyone think mitchells have a chance this sunday against Barnabus, they look a strong team with some very nice players in there ranks right now. Imo theres one thing for sure that one championship won't be staying in Birmingham. Also I would like to know anyone elses thoughts on a fine system similar to that imposed on soccer clubs when they do not field, Is it worth it?

thecraic (UK) - Posts: 8 - 09/09/2009 12:44:10    420413

Mitchels stand a good chance of beating Barnabas and shouldnt be underestimated. There are alot of lads on the intermediate team who arguably should of been playing senior football this year but for various reasons didnt. I was very impressed by the Barnabas lads in the amalgamated team and have a feeling the final could be a cracker.
As for the senior final it depends which McDermotts team turns up. If they play like they did against Casements in the first half they will walk it by 10 points easy if not Masters could run them close and could even nick it with a bit of luck.
Another point im not a macs man but know for a fact Chirs Hayden wasnt in Amercia this year and doubt Michael played any football over there, what would he of had to gain from it?
Also in reference to pathoey mistress; only 5 teams in Birmingham? How do you figure that one out, there are only 5 clubs but Mitchels and Macs consistantly field two teams year in year out and EGB were even fielding 3 earlier in the year before things fell to pieces for them, add that to Brendans and Chads thats 9 teams in Birmingham. As for the coventry teams i am a regular and Pairc Na Eiren and havent seen Finbars play once this year and have seen very little of casements Junior team. Football in Birmingham is getting stronger all the time and if Masters dont win it this year it could be a long time before we see the championchip leave Birmingham.

Mick83 (Wicklow) - Posts: 67 - 09/09/2009 14:18:35    420540

Imo, It is strange to see that you are taking interest in teamsheets for various matches. I would ask you what capacity you have gained access to these teamsheets and what is your entitlement to this? You seem to have a keen interest in the St Barnabas team. Are you a Mitchels man? I have seen St Barnabas 3 times this year and Richard Buda has played each time. I know who he is from underage several years ago. He would have been registered with the Juvenile Board so they will have a photo of hime in their records, albeit some years old. If I were you I would concentrate on new players who start playing around now. These lads are often students who have just started over here. If they are any good they are unlikely to have been idle in the last few months at home! Lets hope they can remember their name, address and what their signature is supposed to look like...................... Rumours about Mac`s teams circulate every year, but I cannot remember them being found guilty of fielding an illegal team in the last 20 years. Plenty of hot air here but little substance. Not to worry. Seeing that you are keen to highlight things we can all get our digital cameras out for Sunday, check on the teamsheets, look at named 15 players and who has played before in the SFC this year, who is recently transferred in and played senior etc etc..............................or why dont we let the teams get on with it? It seems that this board is now being used as a means of starting rumours about the make-up of various teams, prior to their appearance in championship games. A grubby little carry-on but you know what they say; "the devil finds use for idle hands". Hopefully the teams and players involved will ignore what appears to be "hearsay" on this site, put out the best legal teams available to them and provide everyone who wants to watch with a worthy spectacle.

patrick (UK) - Posts: 52 - 09/09/2009 15:37:38    420660

Patrick, your memory must be failing you, Macs played Andrew Walsh in the SFL in 2008, after he had played for St Barnabus in the SFL league earlier in the same season.
I believe he was suspended for a short period.

doire93 (Derry) - Posts: 61 - 09/09/2009 16:36:50    420743

Doire,

If you knew much about the case you would know that it was St Barnabas who should not have played Walsh at the time, which they acknowledged.

patrick (UK) - Posts: 52 - 09/09/2009 17:05:13    420783

patrick
its not just saint barnabus that i am interested in, it is all gaelic clubs in warwickshire. i am trying to build a profile of all players hence the team lists.
the purpose of this is to understandwhat is happening to the gaa in the uk. and see how it can be improved.
the fact that players names do not match up to the jersey number .( i am merely looking at team lists and matching them to names.) it is a concern and should be addressed by all clubs irrespective of who they are.

where do players come from ? how long do the play for ? what is the effect on young english born players of the current influx of irish born players getting priority in selection?
are senior players involved in coaching?
do players have a view on the standard of refrees vis a ve Ireland?
why is there so little commitment from players who fail to appear until the latter stages of the championship and ignore league fixtures?
maybe you can throw some light on these issues.

i admire the people who give voulantry of their time and talents coaching young players often without any success other than knowing they are giving something back for the enjoyment they had playing.

i just returned from the juvenile football final tonight and was encouraged by the standard of the mac's team who had a runaway victory, with a few mins to go brendans had not registered a score. there appears to be a gulf between mac' and any other team i have seen, it shows their committment to underage. if the gaa is to survive in warwickshire other clubs have to take up the challenge. i am a passionate gaa follower and what i am interested in is teams that go out like neighbouring parishes at home who live for these games and people will come to see them play, with no issues of player elligibility.

would it help to have long weekend sessions similiar to what we are doing in Ireland ( coach the coaches) which is carried out with minor players,
where we use coaches of the calibre of tommy lyons, paddy clark mick o dwyer and tony dempsey?
i am interested in promoting gaelic games not destroying them.
my first interest is in hurling so to your question yes i follow john michells. to be pro hurling does not mean i am anti football, i follow both games equally,
having played senior hurling with father murphys in the very early 1960's and have vividly fond memories the final with finbarrs.

barnabus mentor
i would dearly like to see a social night where not just barnabus but all clubs could meet meet and put names to faces.
the irish centre in digbeth has just been refurbished and would make a great venue.

is mise le mas

lmo (Wexford) - Posts: 18 - 09/09/2009 21:59:11    421167

Got to be honest this chat is ludicrous. If anyone had any serious concerns of any value or worth, they would have been raised to a person in power and judged on its virtues. I fear this is just dirt stirring. However, a more comprehensive passport photo system would kill this hollow talk and that would be much obliged, but ur methods of increasing support leaves much to be desired.

indecisive (Cavan) - Posts: 34 - 09/09/2009 23:28:52    421336

macs played an illegal player in 2003 final v finbarrs and got away with it. he was on galway senior panel at the time. they were caught out in provincial champ though when player was recognised. he got a lenghty ban along with macs committe -not that they took any notice of it!!!!!! Also kelly who played for mayo had togged out for macs before this. It used to be rife in warwickshire up until this ban which seems to have stopped macs doing it since.

tommy g (None) - Posts: 171 - 10/09/2009 00:18:14    421395

Imo, I accept your interest in juvenile GAA to be genuine but to name a player on this message board, spelling his name incorrectly, then claiming that he wasnt there when others say he was, is very sinister. If you knew him well enough to recognise him, surely you could have got the spelling of his name right. If you are not the referee, a county board officer or an official of either club, I do not know why you would have an entitlement to see the teamsheet. Your posting revealed that you have good access to the teamsheet, down to the spelling of names, so I can guess where you are coming from. Lets make no bones about it - your are accusing a club of cheating with no concrete evidence and on your belief that someone on the pitch does not look like a photo on a website, that may or may not be a typical likeness. For this reason your concentration on one team and one fixture seems very suspicious. If they are an illegally constituted team they deserve to get what is coming to them, but if this is not the case, your accusations look very shabby.

patrick (UK) - Posts: 52 - 10/09/2009 10:24:24    421590

Patrick...

"Not to worry. Seeing that you are keen to highlight things we can all get our digital cameras out for Sunday, check on the teamsheets, look at named 15 players and who has played before in the SFC this year, who is recently transferred in and played senior etc etc..............................or why dont we let the teams get on with it?"

I would take the as accusing another club of cheating without any substance or proof, presume it's Mitchels with the words 'who has played before in the SFC this year', so to say lmo is stirring is fairly hypocritical of you.

an_carraig (UK) - Posts: 55 - 10/09/2009 18:36:33    422245

An Carraig, I have accused no-one of anything and would certainly not do so on the basis of games I have not seen, photos on the internet or people who claim to have photographs of one team or another. I am not a member of Mitchels but know many members of the club. I am not expecting anything untoward from them or Sean McDermotts, Four Masters, St Barnabas, or anyone for that matter. I hope that this clarifies this for you and any others who regard my posting as worth reading. I am responding to poster/s on this message board who have named a team, match and player on the basis of what he or she considers "evidence" that does not stand up to serious consideration (if all he/she has is what he/she said on their posting), a few days before a championship match. For me that is suspicious and steps over the line of what is reasonable comment, conjecture and indeed conduct. I am not sure what this persons motivation is to come out against one club at this time, but the manner of their posting is objectionable and seems like some kind of Kangaroo Court has been convened. The point I was making to this poster is that there are many regulations that have to be complied when fielding a team and while this person is busy looking at teamsheets (whether they are entitled to or not), trying to compare a photo appearing on a website (I have had a look at their website and cannot see how you could reliably compare the head and shoulders photo to any player during a match, even if you had your laptop on at the side of the pitch) and to then state that the person was definitely not playing is poor at best, particularly considering that names on teamsheets do not always agree with the number shirt being worn. I hope he/she is checking everything else out in relation to the composition of teams with as much vigour. If he/she is carrying out these activities on behalf of the county board all the better. I look forward to his/her report on other teams fielded this year at a County Board Meeting in due course. If this person is operating off his/her own bat with a couple of mates who appear to be sharing information, then it is worthless and asks serious questions on information which could well have been illegally obtained. I hope that both Sundays Intermediate Semi Final and Senior Final are great games, with the best team winning each. There is a correct way to address illegally constituted teams and it is not on this messageboard on the basis of circumspect "evidence". I have said what I am going to say on this and wont post anything else as my intention is not to wind people up but to offer a reasonable comment on what I consider to be unfair postings.

patrick (UK) - Posts: 52 - 11/09/2009 16:42:56    423395

patrick
no. 1:
i did not accuse saint barnabus of cheating i merely stated that two players were not the named players in those jersey's. i'm not quite blind just yet,
if they played in other numbers i do not know. you choose to take your own interpatation. i wonder why?
my comments were in response to a previous posting. it has been interesting and worthwhile to see responses and different uptakes.

i accept your comment that players are not playing in the numbers listed on the team sheets in many games, this was exactly my point, it begs the question of what is the point of a team sheet?
if a player is booked or sent off in a game using the wrong number on a jersey, what is the result? who is booked?
for a journalist reporting on games it makes a ridicule of what he /she is trying to report.
also for anyone collecting statistics they are useless unless you have photographs.
i expect all teams to be properly constituted with no exceptions, and on sunday i hope that the four teams playing are in the jersey numbers listed on the
program which the county board has gone to the trouble of producing.
i wish the best of luck to all teams playing in semi and county finals on sunday.
on the point of my spelling with possible one letter wrong in a players name, sorry about that, but i think it could happen to anyone, i'm sure if you look back through your own postings you could make some corrections.

lmo (Wexford) - Posts: 18 - 11/09/2009 21:38:56    423686