A question that I have asked myself on numerous occasions so now I put it to the Hoganstand Board?

Remember how Charlie decided the referee had no longer got the power to send a great player such as himself off so he thought he'd stay on the pitch for an extra ten minutes?????

Then, remember how Canavan's point was so famously disallowed to send the game into the replay????

With that in mind, should Ciaran Corr have lifted Sam that year????

Loyal2TheRoyal (Meath) - Posts: 4522 - 09/01/2009 16:29:57    176839

Yes without a doubt it should have went to a reply .

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 09/01/2009 18:40:28    176951

we were robbed

rayk67 (Tyrone) - Posts: 193 - 09/01/2009 18:42:29    176954

Theres a flip side to this coin if you had won that .maybe the effort to produce players would'nt have been put in.im sure mickey used this 95 in pre match 03 talk. DUBLIN WERE THE BETTER TEAM JUST EDGE IT NOT ROBBED

theghost (Dublin) - Posts: 152 - 09/01/2009 19:15:47    176984

In 1995 I said that Tyrone were robbed and was prepared to invade Dublin to reclaim the cup.

It wasn't even the last point, although everyone knows Canavan was far to good a player to lift the ball of the ground.

When Charlie finally departed, and all that, officials worked out that the ball was actually in play for 8 and a half minutes in the second half, as the Dubs queried everything to waste time. I really felt for Tyrone.

And that is why I was so annoyed in 2003 when Tyrone appeared to adopt similar "win at all costs" tactics in the final.

Fortunately Tyrone redeemed their reputation with me by giving a great display in 2005, and a good display last year.

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 09/01/2009 19:41:35    176997

Neither team played to their potential that day. Like recent dublin teams, they hadnt a head for heights and ourselves, well we hadnt gained that composure or winning mentality that we have now. The occasion got to both teams. Redmonds influence in those five minutes he remained on the pitch were minimal to say the least. The question is did being robbed (whether we were or not is debateable) actually spur us on to greater things?? The previous 4 winners of Sam were ulster teams, dublin won it that year and Meath the year after. None of those 5 teams have won the All-ireland in the past decade, and none of them won 3 titles in the 90's. If we had won it in 95 would we now be as successful/competitive as we are now or would we have slid into the background like the other ulster teams have? And here is the thing that will really tear at the jackeens hearts: If that match went to a replay and Dublin lost, would you now be celebrating 3 AI's in 5 years, beating the great kerry each time and celebrating as the team of the decade?????

trileacman (Tyrone) - Posts: 759 - 09/01/2009 19:45:53    177000

Loyal2daqueen,, Dublin may have got a slice of luck beating Tyrone in 95', but beating Meath by 10 points that year was better than winning Sam itself,

PJ (None) - Posts: 2288 - 09/01/2009 19:59:02    177010

loyal we could argue the rights and wrongs of that final until your blue in the face - although Charlie didnt go off when he should have it's not like Dublin had any sort of an unfair advantage over us - it was still 15 v 15. As for the disallowed point sometimes these decisions go for you sometimes they go against you on that particular day it wasnt to be. I know thats easy to say for me as i wasnt playing, i often wonder what the players think about it even now. i know Corr would tell you he has never watched the match since he didnt play much ball after that either. I can still remember the savage disappointment after the game was over, though i do accept it was an honest mistake by Russell and I'd say we have had more than our fair share of favourable decisions go for us since

In all honesty though i think the defeat aginst Meath the following year set Tyrone back further than losing that final.

bocerty (Tyrone) - Posts: 539 - 09/01/2009 20:02:00    177012

Tyrone were definitely robbed that year Loyal!

Don't remember the Canavan point that was 'famously' disallowed though. If I remember rightly, it was a Sean McLaughlin point that was disallowed that day!

Reading Paddy Russell's autobiography at the moment. He gives a good insight into how as referee that day, he almost had a nervous breakdown after the hype that followed the poor decisions he made.

Wonder sometimes about Paddy's knowledge of the game. There's a line on page 134 of the book in relation to the All-Ireland Final of 2003 between Tyrone and Armagh:

"As McGeeney arrived at the centre circle to meet referee Brian White and Canavan, I could see how psyched he was".

No harm to you Paddy, but I've yet to see a centre circle in Croke Park or any other GAA pitch for that matter! Hard to have faith in some of the decisions made in the 1995 final after a statement like that!!!!!!

Lifford Gael (Donegal) - Posts: 1925 - 09/01/2009 20:14:19    177015

this is like listening to someone complain about a ref after a match, we could have won only for a few decisions bla bla bla. BS. what happened happened, deal with it. if me aunty had 6&!!s she'd be me uncle

charlotted (Leitrim) - Posts: 598 - 09/01/2009 21:07:23    177037

Theghost a good point not giving and a player staying on the pitch after been sent off . So how can you call that not robbed .

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 09/01/2009 21:24:37    177046

Get over it lads, Dublin won the game fair and square without having to get out of first gear

PJ (None) - Posts: 2288 - 09/01/2009 21:36:37    177054

charlotted
County: Leitrim
Posts: 205

177037 this is like listening to someone complain about a ref after a match, we could have won only for a few decisions bla bla bla. BS. what happened happened, deal with it. if me aunty had 6&!!s she'd be me uncle


If your not going to answer the thread proper do not speak .

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 09/01/2009 21:39:18    177057

09/01/2009 21:07:23
charlotted
County: Leitrim
Posts: 205

177037
this is like listening to someone complain about a ref after a match, we could have won only for a few decisions bla bla bla. BS. what happened happened, deal with it. if me aunty had 6&!!s she'd be me


Very true.

But if we just accepted "that's what happened" all the time there would be no discussin boards, no discussion, and life would be very boring.

In 1996, after the bold Patrique had declared to one and all that Tyrone were a sert to win the title, they lost to Meath in unfortunate circumstances.

I think that's when they decided to become a little bit more cynical, to ensure a first title.

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 09/01/2009 21:57:13    177067

Dublin were the best team in ireland at that time and deserved to win refs decisions sure we can all moan about them and even dublin can that day but its history move on and leave poor paddy alone

hipster (Dublin) - Posts: 2509 - 09/01/2009 21:59:49    177068

yes this was agreat tyrone team .that should have won an all ireland .but were smashed up by meath in 96.

olivers (Tyrone) - Posts: 283 - 09/01/2009 22:04:33    177072

And that is why I was so annoyed in 2003 when Tyrone appeared to adopt similar "win at all costs" tactics in the final.
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you gotta do what you gotta do. from small acorns grow mighty oaks.

trileacman (Tyrone) - Posts: 759 - 10/01/2009 00:07:14    177154

Dublin may have deserved an All Ireland in 1995 after so much heartache, but the circumstances took a bit of the shine off it I think.

In 1996 I was writing for a Dublin based paper, hence my experience of trying to find a phone in Clones, and I was going great. I said Meath would beat the Dubs, Mayo would beat Kerry, and was sailing. However I expected Tyrone to beat everyone. A bit unfortunate their main stars all got "injured" early on.

Cavlan had a blinder that day.

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 10/01/2009 00:14:28    177159

people give out about tyrones defensivenes, which they were in 03, but tyrone in 96 thought they could beat meath because they were better and could win by playing nice football...they were wrong...

HokeyPokey (Tyrone) - Posts: 1744 - 10/01/2009 01:57:07    177177

No, we weren't robbed. Certainly Redmond should have departed earlier, and Canavan's point should have stood, but that was a game we never looked like winning. In fact, I've always maintained that Tyrone came closer to winning an all-ireland in 1986 than in 1995. In 86, despite being well beaten in the end, we went out to win, and looked like doing so for 45 minutes, Injuries to key players and a bit of Kerry magic saw us off in the end, but we left feeling that we had them the greatest team of all-time seriously rattled. 1995 was different. It was a deperately poor game between 2 very average sides. Dublin were terrified of losing another all-ireland, and retreated so deep in the 2nd half. With an enormity of possession, Tyrone should have been able to take advantage, but we didn't. If anything, instead of Paddy Russell, I would blame our management that day, who seemed to get it badly wrong. Art McRory, very like John Maughan, was into physical fitness, but in my opinion lacked the tactical nous to get us over the finishing line. He preferred grafters to footballers, and was reluctant to take a chance. A 19 year old Gerald Cavlan sat on the bench that day, and yet 2 weeks later he scored 1-6 away to Derry in the league. Putting him on was a gamble that Art should have taken, but he plugged away with the likes of Ciaran Loughran and Barney Gormey, when we were crying out for scores. People talk about Adrian Cush's injury that ruled him out of the final, but they should also remember that Cush had not got a start for Tyrone all year, despite being in the form of his life. Mattie McGleenan was another who was introduced far too late. The reality is that in 1995 we had a reasonable side with 1 forward, and we werent good enough to win an all-ireland. Dublin were poor too, not as good as the side they were in 92-93, but they had more than us that day. 1996 against Meath was different. That year we had the best side in ireland. Cavlan, Cush and Brian Dooher were a new half-forward line, and the team had much more potency. Unfortunately, preparation let us down again that year. A month before the semi against Meath, we had hammered the Royals in a challenge in Navan. I think too many of our players (and management) expected the same again, and weren't ready for the ferocity with which Meath tore into them. That, like 86, was an all-ireland that got away, but I've never really felt that way about 1995.

Thomas Clarke (Tyrone) - Posts: 1002 - 10/01/2009 10:57:35    177212