HAG_AND_CHEESE
County: Tipperary
Posts: 1097

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Tipp team of 91 could have beaten the clare team of 95 and given kilkenny a run for their money. were together since bout 87 and there were great cork, kilkenny and Galway teams around then they managed to win 2 all-irelands in that time frame.


I must debate this, Hag. Galway certainly had a great team around then, and but for the "Keady" affair and a few harsh sending offs, most experts reckon they would have completed a three in a row in 1989.

But Kilkenny did not emerge until 1991. After they beat Antrim by 2-18 to 1-19 in the semi that year they were written off as the worst Kilkenny team in history, well certainly since the one Antrim beat in 1943. Now they were not quite that bad, as they won the next two titles and were probable over those two years the best side of the decade, although Offaly when they put their mind to it had a great side.

Cork were not great in that era. Tipp had some excellent forwards, but you couldn't compare them to earlier Tipp teams. Perhaps I am spoilt as I saw the 1964/65 side.

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 11/12/2008 20:03:01    162466

Wexford in 1996 delighted hurling fans with their honest hurling that year, rekindling the spirit and excitement of the 1950s. Fitzhenry is an excellent keeper, and in Dunne and Storey they had two players who could hold their own in any era.

But that was it. This thread brings ridicule upon the author, and also that team.

The team do not deserve it.

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 11/12/2008 20:05:30    162468

think its time for the poultice, poultas.

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 11/12/2008 21:14:57    162544

yidfan
County: Westmeath
Posts: 11

Well you are talking through your behind and don't have a clue abou hurling. Ryan hasn't even come near to the goalkeeper that Fitz is. Just because he's got probably one of the greatest backlines in history of hurling in front of him doesn't make him a great goalkeeper.

Nick (Wexford) - Posts: 1100 - 11/12/2008 22:44:10    162618

HAG_AND_CHEESE Think the part I didn't agree with was this part 'Ye wexford lads are gas men all the same.. I can see why the wexford lads the wexford lads think this ye were wait so long for the all-ireland that team are like gods to ye i'd think the same about the tipp team of team.... but don't let sentiment cloud reality not a hope in hell lads.' I've seen your posts on Wexford before, you were on this site a couple of years ago belittling Wexford (in the lead up to the game with ye) after we got hammered by KK and before we beat you guys in the next game. The only thing I agreed with was that I don't believe that the team of 96 was one of the great teams. Still would probably have 13 or 14 of them on the current Tip team though. Hurling in Munsters not what it used to be despite all the crapping on. Like the current Wexford team is a million miles behind the team of 96 yet in the past couple of years we've done OK against Munster teams. So if I can state that the current Wexford team isn't nearly as good as team of 96 then you guys probably wouldn't come near them (I.e. the team of 96) at the moment considering your recent record against Wexford in the Champ.

Nick (Wexford) - Posts: 1100 - 11/12/2008 22:54:12    162628

Nick, i sure am from Wexford, maybe i am a realist not an eternal optomist, or deluded supporter. What have i said that so offends you - that club hurling is rubbish and as a result the county team is the same. FACE FACTS SIR. CAGER95spit or wat ever you like to be called "as for Pinkie wat you said their is complete tripe.......... you a traiter to your county........ guiney gave everything for his county and dis is how u spit in his face metaphorically obviously". How am i a traitor - do you seriously think Rod Guiney was a better hurler than Tommy Walsh. I never suggested that he didnt try, but I cannot see how you could for 1 second believe he is a better hurler Walsh. BTW, i have not missed a Wexford senior champ match for nearly 20 years (except when i was in hospital in 1994), go to most league games, not to mention club games and underage county games as well as training an underage team in my club - dont question what Wexford hurling means to me and call me a traitor. Youse lads give Wexford fans a bad name, look at the joke you are making of yourselves. The whole country is laughing at youse, so be it if i see the ridiculous side of this claim like them all.

Pinkie (Wexford) - Posts: 4100 - 11/12/2008 23:01:29    162633

Pinkie County: Wexford Posts: 242 Maybe you should stop going to look at Wexford, it's making you a bitter-----.

Nick (Wexford) - Posts: 1100 - 12/12/2008 00:04:28    162660

mossbags
County: Galway
Posts: 569

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Ye should stop slagging off DePoultas lads. Hes clearly just madly in love with the team that gave him perhaps the best sporting memory of his life. Why wouldnt he be?? And for the record the Kiltormer team circa 1992 would bate this current crop of Cats out the door.


I suppose the St Gabriel's (London) team who beat Kiltomer the year before in the quarter final must be the best side ever?

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 12/12/2008 00:17:14    162670

i am from kilkenny and that wex team of 96 was one of my favourites of all time, for sheer heart and determination. a game between that 96 wex team and current cats would b closer than alot of people think. the competition today is very weak makes the cats look awesome, i'm living in america now that's where i picked up that word !

richiescats (USA) - Posts: 420 - 12/12/2008 03:42:17    162697

I can't say that Kilkenny versus Wexford '96 would be anywhere near a proper competitive match. Kilkenny would do what they did to every other team they faced in the last Championship

Kilkenny versus Wexford '56, now that would be a match!

St.K (Cork) - Posts: 210 - 12/12/2008 05:16:50    162701

Are you on the county board Nick? You must be - you seem to be of the impression that everything is great and that Wexford are great! Apologies if i'm a realist not a deluded supporter.

Your argument here is stupid and ridiculous and shouldnt even be continuted. I always back Wexford 100% where possible but here youse aret alking rubbish.

Pinkie (Wexford) - Posts: 4100 - 12/12/2008 08:00:34    162707

Momentum and confidence count for an awful lot in hurling and along with the right setup Kilkenny have this in abundance the last few years. Wexford never seemed to get the same momentum. On any given day they can beat anyone. 2004 a wexford team backboned by many 96 men in their twilight zone - Fitzhenry, Liam Dunne, Mitch Jordan, Larry Murphy and Fenlon. This wexford team were not a patch on the 96 team yet they put Kilkenny to the pin of their collar and won. Why kilkenny have so many All Irelands is because every year they have an excellent 15 been able to bring in 1 2 or 3 new players every year. Other counties just cannot implement new players with such success. The wexford team of 96 was just one year where wexford got everyting right - the training, management and they had the momentum and confidence to take on anyone. And to say that these men wouldnt beat Kilkenny of the modern era on any given day is ridiculous. KK had Cody but if Griffin had of stayed with wexford they would have reached at least another 5 all ireland finals

DaPoultas (Wexford) - Posts: 38 - 12/12/2008 09:27:06    162732

re:Nick
County: Wexford
Posts: 237

i think you should go back and check your facts if the posts are still there!!! I remember it well you came on the tipp page complaining about a few tipp people on the wexford page slagging off wexford before they beat us.... we had a bit of a post barney after that and to be honest you still seem to have a bit of a chip on your shoulder about it. I never wrote wexford off on that occasion granted i expected tipp to win that game but i said it would be close... So nick grow up and cop on will ya

p.s yourself and DaPoultas are biased at all (right i'm not sure how to get scarcasm across in a post... wait i think i just did)

Hag_and_Cheese (Tipperary) - Posts: 6103 - 12/12/2008 10:28:37    162771

re:DaPoultas

I'll give you one thing you've got a hurling debate going fair play we need a bit more of this on HS

Hag_and_Cheese (Tipperary) - Posts: 6103 - 12/12/2008 10:30:01    162773

re:patrique

Pratique i'll be the first to admit that i might be a bit biased when it comes to the late 80's early 90's as it when i first got involved in the beautiful game, first i think we agree galway had a great team and yes should have done 3 in a row think they had what galway teams nowadys are missing the physical edge not saying they weren't a skillful team too the had that inabundance still think bar the current crop one of the best team i've seen playing granted you have the age advantage on me.

As for kilkenny maybe not their best team around then(i have got acrried away) but the team that one the league in 1990 had the backbone for the all-ireland winning sides (d.j the legend john power the phelan's Morrissey hennessy and fenelly at the end of his career) i agree maybe the weren't one of the best kilkenny teams but thay have big boots to fill in fairness. Also lets not write off antrim there one of the better teams the produced in fairness??

Th cork team had great hurlers too cunningham the cashmans teddy fenton mulcahy.

But yes i take you point on board if was probably a golden age in hurling for me so i might be a bit biased, but could you agree that one of the reasons for the emergence of the "weaker" counties around the mid ninties had a lot to do with a poor big two in kilkenny and cork and also a good but not great tipp team.... i know i'll get a backlash but i'll throw it out anyways. don't get me wrong it was great the see the likes of limerick, offaly and wexford comming threw.

Hag_and_Cheese (Tipperary) - Posts: 6103 - 12/12/2008 10:52:56    162799

re: Pinkie

Fair play i have respect for realists

Hag_and_Cheese (Tipperary) - Posts: 6103 - 12/12/2008 10:55:55    162802

re:DaPoultas

so ye put it up to kilkenny in 2004 fairplay sometimes teams can really be up for it simple fact is that wexford team won 1 all-ireland and no matter the amout of shoulda coulda woulda you say they did not dominate like the current kilkenny team are doing to me a great team is a team that can do that over a period of 3 or 4 years. Can you admit that ye might be a wee bit biased??

Hag_and_Cheese (Tipperary) - Posts: 6103 - 12/12/2008 11:04:16    162809

re: nick

one more thing i find the way you say to people from non-hurling counties that they don't know what their talking about slightly obnoxious and yet you have the cheek to call tipp people arrogant??

maybe stick to your stupid treads like "I you were a Girl..." you'll never live that one down.

Hag_and_Cheese (Tipperary) - Posts: 6103 - 12/12/2008 11:16:50    162824

Oh, what was the " I you were a Girl" thread ??

Biff_Tannen (Kildare) - Posts: 12 - 12/12/2008 11:31:00    162835

I already said i was been a bit biased. current kilkenny crop have more longetivity but if wex96 got them when they were in their peak they would SMASH them

DaPoultas (Wexford) - Posts: 38 - 12/12/2008 11:38:23    162848