Last All Ireland Win 1984 & Last Leinster Win 2003. Hard to believe it'll be a quarter of a century since our last AI win at this level. Jim Stynes & Paul Clarke in midfield - thats how long ago it is. We can do all the talking we want about Mullins/Pillar/Gilroy/Whelan but until we get this piece right we're going to continue to struggle. Why can't we make a breakthrough and any views on our chances next year.

johnjo (Dublin) - Posts: 29 - 01/12/2008 14:53:57    153865

reason is and i have no doubt about this is that compared to other counties your school football structure is useless, and i mean usless.

every county with decent minors always has a main feeder school, or in tyrones cases feeder schools. eg ulster kids spend from the age of 11 playin against the best in ulster in different schools, this improves their football in huge amounts. i know derry can tie in nearly every strong minor team with a strong st patricks maghera team.

Baker the glen (None) - Posts: 371 - 01/12/2008 16:47:21    154017

Was looking for fellow Dubs views.

johnjo (Dublin) - Posts: 29 - 01/12/2008 17:17:37    154072

jonjoe the truth hurts does it?? ive every right to post on this board given my involvement in dublin football. youd be surprised how much i know about dublin football and i would guess im alot more involved than the majority of posters in here.

and also, the limited view of just dubs is prob why your minors dont win. other counties are doin successful things and dublin are miles behind.

u asked why the minors havent won an all ireland in years and i gave you a definite answer.

Baker the glen (None) - Posts: 371 - 02/12/2008 10:04:03    154510

Johnjo, with the greatest respect, Baker in the Glen would appear to know more about minor Dublin football than most on here. In fairness he has hit the nail on the head. The schools have nowhere near the same involvement in underage level than other counties, particularly successful counties. We use dto have a great school football scene. This in my view is the reason why the Seniors, never mind the Minors have had little or no success in the last 15 yrs.
Basiclly, when kids are training with teachers who know how to deal with kids professionally you get results a lot easier. The schools competions, like Baker in the Glen says, exposes players to a higher standard at an early age. If you then have a few schools feeding into a local club the clubs standards improve from the bottom up.
I know things are improving but there is still a lot more emphasis on the Club and not enough on the teachers in the schools.

RUBADUB (Dublin) - Posts: 477 - 02/12/2008 12:17:47    154610

Sorry Baker - thought you were typical anti-dub having a go.
I'm new enough to this site so haven't seen previous posts.
Grant it, I think its a disadvantage not having a strong schools setup, but I don't believe its the core problem.
Over the last few years I've noticed even our own club players developing a 'take it or leave it' attitude towards the county minor panel.
Why this lack of enthuasiasm.
Have they got bored with the development squads over the previous 4/5 years.
The hunger seems to be gone to compete to make the starting 15.
Do we need to change the development squad process.
I dont have the answers but its a shame to see obviously talented players not fulfill their potential.

johnjo (Dublin) - Posts: 29 - 02/12/2008 15:45:32    154845

johnjoe, i was a bit rude in my reply and dont mean to offend but dont think u should dismiss my opinion just cos im not 100% from dublin.

Baker the glen (None) - Posts: 371 - 02/12/2008 15:51:31    154853

we dont have a history of produceing minor teams ever.but we are good at bringing players through from underage and getting them to play senior football.

tomaoo7 (Dublin) - Posts: 5896 - 02/12/2008 19:09:04    155176

Johnjoe I brought up a similar thread under Colleges football & Dublin senior team . I think we need the schools competition looked at by those in the county board & school system. We need to expose our best players to playing at a higher level of football earlier than minor.

Dublinexile (Dublin) - Posts: 96 - 02/12/2008 20:55:16    155302

I believe Darragh Stapleton is still under-age this year? A class act in last years minor championship, even when he was struggling with an ankle injury. Meath are favourites at this early stage to win Leinster.

monkey (Westmeath) - Posts: 223 - 02/12/2008 21:00:47    155311

i think it could be a possibility for the minors to get schools together in different regions to compete in the leinster and hogan cups. at least then they will have exposure to what they will be up against in minor. possibly like the regions used for recent senior trials.

Baker the glen (None) - Posts: 371 - 03/12/2008 09:42:00    155564

St. Brigids won the minor dublin and leinster wthout being tested in 2007
same yr not one of the team made the dublin minors
this was because the brigids minors of 06 got knocked out in the first round so selectors ever saw them playin
the way its picked is stupid seeing as the minor championhip isnt even over and its december
how are u meant to judge players for next yr when the championsip for this yr isnt even over

theoneandonlyJD (Dublin) - Posts: 84 - 03/12/2008 18:36:31    156215

Gerry McEntee and his selection team were in for 2008.
Is it the same set up this year or who is in charge for 2009

johnjo (Dublin) - Posts: 29 - 04/12/2008 10:55:21    156638

theoneandonlyJD

Yes Brigid's won the minor title last year and are in the final again this sunday.

There were actually four players from that minor team that made the dublin minor team. Get your facts right before you start coming on here

dub64 (Dublin) - Posts: 1 - 04/12/2008 17:03:34    157055

baker and dublinexile the two of yous are right the schools up here there are to many to have a decent standard players are spread out to much so maybe they could join schools together and have a good schools championship and then they can compete against the big schools outside dublin. also the mior leagues are a disgrace they only get started and they stop for the leaving only to be replaced with the summer league which is brutal maybe the minor league should start in september and finish in may and it would also take in the championship so at least they will get games . also we had a lad on the dublin minor panel this year he was a sub and he was discouraged to play or train with the club so he done nothing with the club really till dublin were beaten. the more games you play at a high level the better you become if you dont you will be caught out sooner or later and this is what is happening to our minors end of my rant

hipster (Dublin) - Posts: 2509 - 04/12/2008 17:54:06    157136

dub64
no there were not any brigids players on that minor team in 2007 the one johnny copper was captain of that lost to laois in a replay after beating Meath. all three games i was at
and there were 5 from the club on this yr team being 2008 Philip Carrol Alan McCarrick Cian Mullins sean murray and cathal doyle they lost to meath this yr which was managed by McEntee
dont come on this talkin bout me having a clue when i atually no what im talkin about and have just proved u dont have a clue about the minor set up in the county

theoneandonlyJD (Dublin) - Posts: 84 - 04/12/2008 20:44:40    157299

forgot gavin McEntyre
and dont think McEntee is involved this yr

theoneandonlyJD (Dublin) - Posts: 84 - 04/12/2008 20:56:19    157308

Some good points made here by a variety of posters , Baker in particular has spoken some home truths. Have to say that Tyrone are light years ahead of Dublin with the schools structure. Someone mentioned there being too many schools to produce a decent structure in Dublin , maybe if a regional schools team was organised on the lines of Fingal , North Est , North Wst , South East etc etc it would give young lads an impetus to up the ante and try making a regional team at school level? It would also make it handier for county representative scouts to spot a good talent.

dubupnorth (Dublin) - Posts: 1897 - 05/12/2008 07:41:53    157498

If they were to join up into regionals, the Dublin schools would be far too strong for most other schools and Dublin would hold too much power at this level. For example, Benildus and Colaiste Eoin together last year would have walked past all challengers before them.

monkey (Westmeath) - Posts: 223 - 05/12/2008 11:29:45    157677

monkey, that might be true. as my knowledge of schools is based in the north i can only comment on that, but in each county one school basically has the pick of the footballers, derry its maghera, fermanagh has st micks, armagh has st pats, the newry schools in down and then tyrone have omagh and dungannon. very often the majority of the best players are in these schools meaning that they would have the pick of the county rather than dublin schools pick of a region.

also agree in the club set up its a disgrace to be playin the minor final on the 7th of december out in balgriffen (good venue given surface) at 11 oclock. couldnt be anyless of a showcase event. and also na fianna are scheduled to play a senior game at the same time??

Baker the glen (None) - Posts: 371 - 05/12/2008 12:05:01    157735