Over the summer i made my feeling about Fermanagh supporters perfectly clear, they have a large contingent of abusive, unsportsmanlike foul mouthed supporters, i know NSG will come on here and defend them saying there is nothing wrong with booing etc, and that everyone does it. Well they dont, and now we have a situation where their county hurlers abused their own manager because he was involved with an opposing team. I think this is an all time low, could you imagine Sean Cavanagh abusing Mickey Harte if Moy was playing Errigal Ciaran, Ronan Clarke abusing Joe Kernan a few years back if Pearse Ogs were playing Crossmaglen. No, it just wouldnt happen, its disgracefull and should and would not happen amongst true sports people. Now that i see how Fermanagh players behave i am not one bit suprised their "supporters" behave the way they do. DISGUSTING

samin10 (Armagh) - Posts: 2434 - 07/11/2008 10:51:34    135763

I dont want to get into a debate about the behaviour of Fermanagh supporters in the past, but this latest story is disgraceful and shameful. It should not be tolerated.

men_of_49 (Meath) - Posts: 2003 - 07/11/2008 11:13:53    135790

i usually agree with you samin but in regards to the drunken and arrogant supporters giving abuse, booing and what not i think this is a minority thing like goes on everywhere in every county including your own!!

if we were bringing up bad supporters i could point to armagh supporters like the minority of loud mouthed lads that were near me in the replay who taunted myself and my mates as we left dejected a few minutes after stevie mcdonald banged in the insurance goal. These lads showed they were bad and unsportsmanlike winners but i never thought there was any need to bring it up on a national GAA foreum!! In the majority of championship games you go to you come accross a few groups who are just an embaressment to their county!!

On the hurling manager matter i have not got a clue what happened and would be suprised if you know the whole story of what happened! (possibly a discussion for the fermanagh message board instead of the national one?)

There are 2 sides to a coin samin mate!!

ferm (Fermanagh) - Posts: 239 - 07/11/2008 11:29:41    135811

ferm

i have always said that every county has a certain amount of them, its the amount Fermanagh seem to bring that is the problem. Yes i have brought it onto a national web page, but then again it was not me commentating for the bbc in the drawn game who commented on the disgracefull behaviour of the Fermanagh fans. Armagh have plenty of poor supporters who let both themselves and their county down. I said it even before this summer about the fermanagh fans in 2004 in Croke Park and their disgustingbehaviour, i gave them the benefit of the doubt saying maybe it was a one off, not used to getting to croke park and that, but this summer really brought it home just how poor their behaviour is. You comment on a group of Armagh lads, drunk or whatever. I guarenttee what you heard was little to what i had to listen to from a man probably in his mid 40's i would say who had his young daughter along with him, spent the game shouting obscenities, he was told on numerous occassions to keep his mouth shut as there was alot of children in the area. Not just this idiot though. There was thousands of Fermanagh supporters booing at every Armagh kick. Forget all this though, how do explain these hurling players actions? Tell us about this two sides to every story an all that.

samin10 (Armagh) - Posts: 2434 - 07/11/2008 11:48:15    135842

From HS article

SIDE 1
After a recent Lisbellaw club game, Walsh explained that he had come under "outrageous verbal abuse" from some of the players over his involvement with Cavan champions Mullahoran St Joseph's, who Lisbellaw defeated in the first round of the Ulster Junior Hurling Club Championship last month after a replay.

"After the game I was very badly abused by some of the Lisbellaw players," Walsh admitted.

SIDE 2
However, Lisbellaw chairman Benny McManus has totally dismissed the allegations.

"It is simple," said McManus. "It is easy to make allegations but we want to be quite clear, we are denying these allegations completely.

"No Lisbellaw officials or players heard the abuse which Mr Walsh is alleging."

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like i said i know very little about the hurling in fermanagh, but there seems to be 2 sides to this story and you automatically dismissed the comments from the lisbellaw chairman and took it for granted that walsh was indeed verbally abused which is unproven!

The booing happens regularly in this country when a dubious free is given and that cannot be argued, every county can be responsible for that at some point!! our fans dont have some secret tactic to booing every free given to the opposing team.

Fermanagh supporters are definity not the only crowd to boo an opposing free in croke park. And the armagh supporters giving abuse were also letting all the swear words of the day out of them with children present, who is going to go up to a crowd of drunkin and abusive supporters and tell them to shut their mouths

ferm (Fermanagh) - Posts: 239 - 07/11/2008 12:20:31    135903

ferm

i find it hard to believe any county manager would give up his role and state his reasons as being the abuse he recieved from county players who were playing for their club, he said he didnt wand any dealings with these players. the Lisbellaw chairmans response does not suprise me in the slightest, it seems clear that is the Fermanagh way, deny everything. You say the booing happens when a dubious free is awarded, every scorable free against Fermanagh is clearly a result of a dubious decision then?

samin10 (Armagh) - Posts: 2434 - 07/11/2008 12:35:11    135925

These alligations have come from a man who if i remember correctly has left his fermanagh post a few times in the past for various reasons and after his story appeared in the local papers returned to the post. The lack of interest in this matter on the fermanagh message board is possibly an indicator that no one believes or cares for his alligations maybe?

You are talking through your hat if you say every scoreable free awarded against fermanagh is booed!! nonsence!!

the fermanagh way, deney everything? can you please elaborate this point with a few examples?

ferm (Fermanagh) - Posts: 239 - 07/11/2008 12:49:51    135945

it seems clear that is the Fermanagh way, deny everything. ...

Samin i normally agree with alot of your posts on here ....but the above statement is nonsense!!Can you please explain what your basis is for this statement????

border_hoppin (Fermanagh) - Posts: 11 - 07/11/2008 13:22:55    135975

Agree about Fermanagh and their fans. A lack of success has bred jealousy which in turn has turned to anger. Fermanagh are on a downward spiral, people who are trying to stop it are being forced out by their own players. Total shambles

pplocal (Tyrone) - Posts: 5878 - 07/11/2008 13:29:53    135987

You are talking through your hat if you say every scoreable free awarded against fermanagh is booed!! nonsence!!

the fermanagh way, deney everything? can you please elaborate this point with a few examples?


Self explanatory, you answered your own question before you asked it. Every free kick in a scoreable position is booed by fermanagh supporters. Must have been hearing things, so must bbc commentators.

samin10 (Armagh) - Posts: 2434 - 07/11/2008 13:40:00    135996

pomeroy and armagh man every county some fans boo not just them and as a tyrone fan that went all year our own fans booed at omagh against westmeath for one we booed against mayo. And tyrone fans booed galvin when he came on in final as well as other things and armagh fans are no angels so pomeroy man and armagh men practice what you preach

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 07/11/2008 14:45:55    136076

I can't say i have ever had a problem with the Fermanagh fans to be honest, but i do agree that every county has it's idiots.

Compared to Tyrone fans, in my view Armagh fans are much more vocally disrespectful, every time i hear the chant "There's no London in..........." it makes my blood boil and i hear it more often when Derry play Armagh!

Bald Eagle (None) - Posts: 1009 - 07/11/2008 15:04:24    136101

BELLENDPOLECAT

I do practice what i preach i do not boo or shout abuse, also read the 4th post down and you will find that i have said every county has them. You are actually agreeing with me yet trying to say i am wrong. Strange

samin10 (Armagh) - Posts: 2434 - 07/11/2008 15:07:06    136107

was at the two ulster finals this year supporting fermanagh as i was born there and my all my family are from there. have to say though i was ashamed of the fermangh support booing and also was my father, a die hard fermangh fan. His theory is that the booing stems from the st michaels fans at mcrory cup games. As you may or may not know, 99% of fermanagh gaa has something to do with St Micks enniskillen and they always bring big crowds to games whether they be students present or past or just supporters (becasue it is basically the fermangh minor team). There is a culture of booing in the mcrory cup and this seems to be carried on to intercounty.

Also reminded of the county hurler a few years back who left after being taunted with sectarian abuse.

Derry_ledd (Derry) - Posts: 2093 - 07/11/2008 15:11:21    136114

'Every free kick in a scoreable position is booed by fermanagh supporters'...

Bit of a wild accusation is'nt it?? Course every county has their minority ... but coming from an armagh supporter its more than a bit rich

border_hoppin (Fermanagh) - Posts: 11 - 07/11/2008 15:11:41    136116

Bald Eagle, I have attended a hugh amount of Cavan v Armagh games over the years and i have heard nothing disrespectful from their supporters. Plenty of good natured banter and a handshake after the match as it is supposed to be. To be honest about it i have rarely seen what could be described as bad behaviour at matches. That is what seperates our game from soccer.

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 07/11/2008 15:12:19    136118

Bald Eagle, i hate that chant too and i have heard it plenty of times, but my point which seems to be getting lost with some people is do you hear thousands of people singing it? Simple answer is no, its normally a group of seven or eight seventeen yearolds who are drinking, they think this is some hilarious chant that they have come up, failing to realise that people of a similar age a few years earlier had been singing the same *****. My point is that Fermanagh fans disrespect opposition players and fans in their thousands.

samin10 (Armagh) - Posts: 2434 - 07/11/2008 15:18:43    136126

samin,

i have been at every fermanagh championship game for the last 6-7 years and roughly 80% of league/mckenna cup games in the last 6-7 years and i can tell you that in no way is every scoreable free booed by our supporters!

now please fulfill my request below and dont try to sidestep the issue with more nonsence!

the fermanagh way, deny everything? can you please elaborate this point with a few examples?

ferm (Fermanagh) - Posts: 239 - 07/11/2008 15:22:07    136137

border-hoppen

were you at either ulster final? if you were i doubt you would have the brass neck to try and deny what went on, it was clear to everyone at the game and also to the commentators. Sorry what i meant to say was that every scoreable free kick in these two games was booed by fermanagh fans.

There you have it even one of your supporters who was there has said he was embarrassed by it. You really need to put a battery in that hearing aid before you go to matches.

samin10 (Armagh) - Posts: 2434 - 07/11/2008 15:25:05    136146

Boo boooooooooooooo Sam boooooooo. Sorry just trying to put you off your next post.

northpole (Derry) - Posts: 739 - 07/11/2008 15:41:58    136174