assumpta

Firstly the age profile of the 2008 panel is quite young only a few players are near the end so that point is rubbish.

Having the courage to stand up to a bully in Frank Murphy is acting like children easy to see you never stand up for what you believe in.

Secondly if you go out on the field with poor training and tactics then you have no chance as I have said ,so thats number 1 .

decCork (Cork) - Posts: 109 - 20/02/2009 16:29:42    213419

Mayo1951 Not dealing with the topic am can you read mayo 1951 I have attached by points again Oh and I say things about your county because it shows the culture we have been brought up in i.e. losing is fine in Cork we have winning culture 1.)Why was Gerald McCarthy re-appointed given his performance after the 2 years he had.(Lost 3 games in 1 championship hasn't wont anything ) 2.)Why was no other person considered for the job given his performance. 3.)How can you know what's going on or what went on in training you have never spoken to any of the players I have and to club members. You said non-natives know more I mean how slow are you saying that when compared to people living in Cork knowing the players and county board members. 4.) The players want training and preparation for games to be the best it can Gerald McCarthy is just not up to it. It has be the best if you have any chance of winning (Probably hard to understand since your from Mayo) 5.) Why did a selector go on holidays to Australia in the middle of the season is that good practice Mayo1951. 6.) Gerald McCarthy never wanted the job first day ask that attitude manifested itself in training. 7.)Would Kilkenny keep on a manager after 2 years of failure ???????? So why don't you answer these points rather than ranting and insulting a group of players that has achieved so much for there county.

decCork (Cork) - Posts: 109 - 20/02/2009 16:33:50    213430

deccork that cork team has been practically the same for the last number of years so its of no surprise to anyone that titles are drying up, a lot of those players have been around for a long time!!!!

premierman21 (Tipperary) - Posts: 429 - 20/02/2009 16:35:04    213432

assumpta Firstly the age profile of the 2008 panel is quite young only a few players are near the end so that point is rubbish. Having the courage to stand up to Frank Murphy is acting like children easy to see you never stand up for what you believe in. Secondly if you go out on the field with poor training and tactics then you have no chance as I have said ,so thats number 1 . decCork the age profile of the 2008 panel may be quite young but the main prtagonists have been on the cork team for the last number of years so you can't deny that they're getting old. Secondly, they didn't think Frank Murphy was much of a bully when he was trying to get them off their suspensions when they had the fight with the clare hurlers at the start of the munster match in 2007. Then they reckoned there was a bias against cork and Frank Murphy! They really should stick to one opinion! And as a matter of fact I've stood up for what i believe in numerous times but that doesn't even come into this argument, there's no need to launch a personal attack on anyone in this forum.

assumpta (None) - Posts: 8 - 20/02/2009 16:57:16    213500

Ther in there prime late 20s alot of them gardiner ronan curren eg

Alot are very young shane o neil ,pa cronnin etc look at the gae profile of the squad.

Some only in early thirtys

And its amazing how Gerald MCarthy got appointed and the titles dried up in his very first year ??

decCork (Cork) - Posts: 109 - 20/02/2009 16:59:43    213592

decCork,
I see you're having to hold your own against people from Tip, Watfor?, Awfly and ALL? wherever that is. Don't waste your time and effort man. They could care less about Cork hurling and obviously haven't got much going on their own county pages.
Your posts along with bennybunny, corckcelt, happytobehere, oldfella, pearse9 are much appreciated and greatly informative. Thanks again

mouldybags (Cork) - Posts: 108 - 21/02/2009 00:33:03    214135

assumpta You have said the players are showing themselves up basically saying there are making a fool of them selves which is a very personal attack on men who have the highest respect and appreciation for guys who have given me great enjoyment in croke park and thurles so if you launch a personal attack on others you shouldn't be afraid to receive one in return. Your point about Frank Murphy the reason agin Frank is doing this is to get power back from the players by appointing a sub standard coach that the players don't want i.e. he appointed Gerald to get 1 over on the players do you think that's how you should appoint coaches. As for the Clare thing the players wanted to appeal are you saying Frank as county sectary who's job is to issue that appeal to croke park should not have ??? he wasnt supporting them merely doing what he gets paid for. Don't think for one second Frank would miss an opportunity to get 1 over on the players who have stood up to him.

decCork (Cork) - Posts: 109 - 23/02/2009 09:04:51    215166

decCork,
saying the players are showing themselves up isn't too personal, its stating a fact!! they don't have much respect left at this stage with all this carry-on and if it doesn't end soon they'll have none at all. but sure if you want to go ahead and attack me personally on their behalf go right ahead. do you only watch them in croke park and thurles? do you not bother going to the home games at all??

when i mentioned frank murphy i wasn't making a point about frank murphy but rather about the fickleness of the cork hurlers, they change their opinions of the cork county board everytime the wind changes. they should learn to decide on one thing and stick to it, instead of choping and changing and ending up looking like eejits.

assumpta (None) - Posts: 8 - 23/02/2009 18:15:05    215900

have to agree with assumpta, when frank murphy was trying to get him off a suspension donal og himself came out and defended frank and claimed there was a bias against Frank in the gaa

bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4653 - 23/02/2009 19:06:54    215952

assumpta haven't spoken to you before so i'm not attacking you. (I'd never attack a lady anyway) but have you read Tom Humhries article in the Irish Times. You can access it online if you so desire. I'd reccomend that you read it and would be most interested if you did and posted your reaction to same on this thread. I believe the guy hit the nail perfectly on the head in this article.

corkcelt (Cork) - Posts: 4388 - 23/02/2009 19:18:58    215961

Assumpta from Co.All. You wrote: "they change their opinions of the cork county board everytime the wind changes. they should learn to decide on one thing and stick to it, instead of choping and changing and ending up looking like eejits"
You are either totally ignorant of what's going on here in Cork GAA or you are very interested in maintaining the rot as it is. Your words quoted above are almost identical to recent statements of Gerald McCarthy and some members of CCB. It simply is not possible to believe that somebody following this sad story can still to this day not see that Gerald McCarthy's reappointmet and the way things are done in our CCB are one and the same awful problem. The players are not jumping and changing. They are very focused and so now are the people of Cork...everyday more and more

michael (Cork) - Posts: 381 - 23/02/2009 19:58:47    216014

assumpta Saying some is showing themselves basically saying there acting like idiots is very personal .Its only a fact in your. The clubs who where at last nights meeting didn't agree or all the cork fans who marched in support of them. And have no doubt the loyalty and high regard I hold this team .So if some one like you attacks them questioning there integrity you will get the same back. Seriously is that the best you can come up with me not going to home games it just shows your brain power the point was the joy this team has brought cork people I have seen them in many games league and championship do you want full list of grounds . It was only last year the players where on strike rem they agreed then a way to resolve it Frank Murphy broke the spirt of the agreement by refusing to allow any names to be considered he was putting McCarthy in charge to spite them not because it was the right thing to do. So after last year they thought they had entered an agreement where Frank was going to enter into the spirit of it they where wrong Frank had other ideas. So if someone breaks the spirit an agreement was made then people with integrity fight back maybe you let people walk all over you

decCork (Cork) - Posts: 109 - 23/02/2009 20:55:38    216062

Corkcelt will you give Humphries the gig to ghost write your book? You didn't by any chance provide humphries with his piece in the times today? You seem to have the same story as all those spoilt players up in Maryborough hotel last night? Are you back or forward?

Upthehill (Cork) - Posts: 76 - 23/02/2009 22:55:55    216281

Upthehill I am only interested in a sensible debate and I dont slag other Cork people. If you are interested in my views log on to the National page under the thread Cork Meeting. I have a number of comprehensive posts there which may or may not interest you. If you wish to take me to task on anything I have said feel free to do so.

corkcelt (Cork) - Posts: 4388 - 23/02/2009 23:40:11    216328

Well decCork i don't think there's any point that i come up with that you'll accept as valid. The only point i'm trying to make is that the cork 2008 hurlers are not earning themselves many supporters outside of cork and the longer this goes on the less people in the rest of this country will care if cork ever win another game of hurling in the next century of gaa. And no asking if you go to home games is not 'the best i can do', that was only an innocent question cos you never mentioned páirc uí chaoimh in your little rant. And i never said i had any great brain power, i'm just calling it as i see it. Sure i'm just a dumb blonde from Co. All!!

And i read Tom Humphries atricle in the Irish times, if as he says "it's not really about a team and its manager but is rather an inquiry into the singular practice of democracy in Cork GAA", then why don't the players play under the current manager until the problem with the democracy is resolved? They might earn more supportes that way. That's just my thoughts though and sure I know that doesn't count for much seeing as i'm just a dumb blonde!

assumpta (None) - Posts: 8 - 24/02/2009 15:09:38    216960

i support gerld mc and co. board fully.the cork hurlers are trying to do everything.the bottom line is the county board makes the decision on who trains the team . just say a new manager came in and wanted to make a few changes like dropping some of the older players they would strike again. the cork hurlers are fighting a meaningless battle . in a time of much bed times times the lest we should have to do is listen to this bull shame on you donal og

eireog (Tipperary) - Posts: 127 - 25/02/2009 09:28:42    217545

murphy and mc carthy arent going to go away so for the next one or two years cork folk the ones that really matter are going to watch the second string and when the election comes let them vote in a new man.if sean og got his way what would his next demand and can someone tell me what is so wrong with cork gaa that they keep referring to.

mucker (Donegal) - Posts: 479 - 25/02/2009 09:50:38    217562

Can anybody tell me what is the route that the players believe can sort out things through these club EGMs?

"Cork County Board chairman Jerry O'Sullivan has stated that EGMs being held by Rebel County clubs regarding the hurling impasse are outside the Rulebook"

If the above is true isnt the club route another blind alley?

I was hoping initialyy that it was a genuine way of challenging th CCB & GMc.

It doesnt appear to be.Anyone care to explain??

endofstory69 (Cork) - Posts: 97 - 25/02/2009 11:30:36    217670

It seems to me the players don't have the support of the vital people in Cork GAA, that is the delegates to the County Board. The 12,000 people who attended the march, many of them may not be members of clubs at all. I feel sorry for the players in many ways but they overplayed their hand. They went for the nuclear option much too soon. Now there is no room for either side to move. The players say they just want democracy. Well, unfortunately for them we've had democracy. The delegates to the Cork County Board are elected by their clubs or divisions and they have on two occasions voted by big margins for Gerald McCarthy. It's probably a fairly stark choice now; who runs the GAA in Cork? The democratically elected County Board or the 2008 footballers and hurlers? In the last two strikes the County Board basically lost. They gave in to the demands of the players in 2002 (and rightly so) and last year they accepted the compromise of Kieran Mulvey even though he sided almost totally with the players. But this strike is different. It's down to who runs the GAA in Cork and I can't see the County Board giving in on this one. And I think all the others County Boards in the country don't want the Cork County Board to lose either. Overturning democracy, that way lies chaos. You may not like administrators in clubs and county boards but the GAA can't be run without them. It's surprising the members of Cork County Board haven't resigned enmasse such is the level of criticism they have suffered. If the board memers were to walk away who would run the GAA in Cork? Are there loads of people willing to take on executive positions in Cork? I doubt it. I wonder how many of the 12,000 who marched are willing to go to meetings three nights a week and have their weekends taken over at matches as they act as stewards or whatever. The AGMs were held in clubs only two months ago. Why did not the club members elect delegates sympathetic to the players? If they did the County Board would now be peopled by delegates who support the players and they would vote out Gerald McCarthy. But it hasn't happened.

ogormanmahon (Tipperary) - Posts: 66 - 25/02/2009 13:47:08    217835

Why do people come on here stating that the cork players went fot the nuclear option too soon. This really ****** me off. The CCB were first to go for the nuclear option/button.When the players told Frank and his mates that they were not going to play under Ger Mac they still went ahead and appointed him,knowing full well war was going to break out.Now if that is not going for the nuclear option/button then i dont know what is. So please refrain from saying it was the players who done this first. I also agree with the reitoir in his post when he says a commitee could be set up to appoint a new manager.Plenty people are capable of doing this not just the CCB.

stranded (UK) - Posts: 408 - 25/02/2009 16:58:04    218131