Sorry, but am I missing something in all this.
Isn't it the manager who picks the team/squad, and not the team/squad who picks the manager ????
Any manager who eventually gets the job will be afraid to fall out with any of the players because if he does then he may not have a job next year. Player power gone mad!!!!!!
What kind of example is it giving to kids at underage ?

ntb_exile (Fermanagh) - Posts: 12 - 08/11/2008 19:27:05    136840

right, i was following this for a while and found out a load of info from all the posters on this thread, great stuff. i started off feeling sorry for the players, then mccarthy, then back to the players and then..... well.......i just got fed up and bored with it all..... .....so i tried to ignore it.......but i wasn't allowed... players blaming mccarthy and ccb using the media, then coming out with full page statement in the examiner... radio interviews, non stop on the sports news on every radio station for a while... ...only sensible thing i heard was tomas mulcachy on newstalk saying he was reluctant to do any interviews because we should all shut up about it and take it out of the media and let them sort it out themselves (ironically he said this on a radio show) .. now statements and counter statements.... and now i feel sorry for myself because i'm sick of hearing about it.... anyone else fed up?..talk about stubborn people.. how long does it take to sort out a wee arguement..... if croke park grew a pair and said to both sides, the solution is xyz.... if ye don't accept it then feck off,ccb,players and the whole shaggin lot... don't want to offend ye cork people.. what other gaa quarrel has gone on this long and with such media bull.... over and out l

bishop_brennan (Leitrim) - Posts: 10 - 09/11/2008 22:57:26    137250

Apparently Cusack isn't the ring-leader we think he is. Or so he claims.

icehonesty (Wexford) - Posts: 2581 - 11/11/2008 15:02:05    138621

Yep I read his interview alright. Maybe the players are planning something like a u turn and he doesn't want to be left out in the cold? But I think it's clear as day to everyone involved and not involved in the dispute that he is at the heart of everything in regards to the players actions.

daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 4012 - 11/11/2008 15:29:31    138652

Local radio did a poll on this today, to see if public behind them.
because it seems the players are losing the PR battle.
1700 voted 65% for 35% against .
What came across very strongly was that people are fed up with County board allowing this to go out of control again. while people may not necessarly agree with the players, its the way CCB are handling it is annoying the public.
Ger was on argueing his case, but no word from County board.
however one intersting thing gerald did say that he will be fielding a panel for the fermoy match next week.

ver (None) - Posts: 228 - 11/11/2008 16:29:29    138738

It sounds as if the players have had enough of both the county board and the players. Who could blame them.

daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 4012 - 11/11/2008 16:57:33    138773

Heard that radio programme this morning aswell ver. The over ridding feeling from the public is that the Cork County Board are the ones to be blamed here. Lots of calls for Frank Murphy to step down. They way they have handled this whole dispute since 2002 and before has been a scandal. They are accountable to nobody and nobody will take them on except the players. We are in for a few interesting weeks with the St Colman's match coming up soon. It will be interesting to see if the players hold tough or will there be cracks. If they split now, I feel that the Cork County Board would have won and they will stick it out to the bitter end regardless of what happens to Cork GAA. The players have to stand firm with the knowledge from the poll carried by Cork's 96FM that the majority of people in Cork Support them. 65% is a big majority.

happytobehere (Cork) - Posts: 360 - 11/11/2008 17:11:55    138788

I heard the programme as well lads. Well the last hour and a bit of it anyway. What was interesting is that of those that do not support the players, many of them seem to be very old people. You had the person back in the 1960s playing camogie as indicative of this type of attitude. As one person said, black and white television worked grand too back in the 1960s but we are hardly going to toss out our digital TVs for it. I would suggest, that most people that play the game are fully behind the players. That is what counts most. We need people with attitudes that reflect the 21st century to rule in the 21st century. What we have is people from a bygone era running the show. I hope the players stick this out as a divide at this stage will be detrimental. I am glad that this game is coming up against St Colmans. Hopefully it will not go ahead.

Ger Mc said that he was at the under 21 game, Duhallow versus Glen Rovers, on Saturday night and that he saw some fine hurlers at that game. I was at it too and there are some very good hurlers at it. A few things though, there is one thing playing a club county championship match at under 21 and another facing Tipperary in the first round of the Munster championship. The best of those players, like Aidan walsh and Brian Moylan, would need guys like John Gardiner and Ronan Curran on their team if they are going to develop as hurlers. Putting 15 of them on the field an dhoping that they will do well is simply stupid.

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 11/11/2008 17:56:02    138879

I read this morning that the GAA has given Cork another 6 weeks to resolve their differences. Personally I can only see problems getting worse the longer this goes. Also i think it's a disgrace that the GAA have not issued the players and the CB an ultimatum. If this wasn't a big county like Cork I don't think the top brass would be so lenient.

daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 4012 - 13/11/2008 11:58:25    140358

Daytona, its an internal affair, at the moment its not stopping any games or anything. the HQ only stepped in last year when we failed to furfill our fixtures ,so i dont know why HQ should get involved at this stage. WE have another couple weeks before the league start .

ver (None) - Posts: 228 - 13/11/2008 14:39:48    140519

I love Sean Og. What a guy. I wish the guy would retire.

icehonesty (Wexford) - Posts: 2581 - 14/11/2008 11:01:49    141293

I can see why you would like him to retire, a Wexford lad never got a puck off the ball when standing next to him....

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 14/11/2008 12:04:25    141357

I heard Sean Og on the radio last night. Man, there is an incredible amount of bitterness towards McCathy.

RMDrive (Donegal) - Posts: 2202 - 14/11/2008 12:12:06    141373

After reading Sean Og's interview a few things struck me. The CB, Players and maybe even Gerald McCarth are acting like a bunch of kids. The whole "He said this and I said that" thing is going on. Cork hurlers first rebeled and strike action was on the agenda in 2002. Now Frank Murphy is there for 28 years.1980. How come no team (or am I incorrect?) between 1980 and 2002 threatened this kind of action? How come no team seemed to have such a problem to the extent of the current problem the group of players have at the moment? All my questions above point to the fact that the current crop of players think they are bigger than Cork GAA.

daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 4012 - 14/11/2008 12:19:47    141387

Far be it from me to ever be seen defending a Cork manager but what Sean Óg said about McCarty yesterday was a disgrace. I cannot now see any possibility of a reconciliation.

The real Árd Rí (Meath) - Posts: 990 - 14/11/2008 12:28:06    141403

Thats about as childish a remark Benny as the stuff Sean Halpin was going on with yesterday.

I happened to find his remarks quite inflammatory, and it looks like the former Cork hurlers are going to sulk until they are given in to? I personally have always found Sean Halpin to be be the epitomy of the trend among players to want things to go professional. He has frequently sought the media limelight, and has gotten it, which I have found remarkable for someone who, although a good player, isnt exactly Eoin Kelly or Henry Shefflin.

icehonesty (Wexford) - Posts: 2581 - 14/11/2008 13:33:09    141476

I have to admit that initially I was extremely angry at the Cork players for proposing yet another strike. However, the more I thought about it, the more nonsensical my anti-players argument felt. Just a few points in support of what they are doing. Firstly, in any sport if the manager loses the dressing room.it's curtains. It happened in Waterford earlier in the year and spelled the end for Justin. If a premiership manager loses the respect of the dressing room.does the board sell all the players or does it sack the manager? We all know the answer to that. More importantly than this, however, we need to look at Gerald McCarthy's performance as Cork manager. I am in no doubt but that Gerald is never going to win an AI with Cork.even with the support of the players. Any time I have listened to an interview with the man has confirmed my view on that. Compared to Donal O Grady (just to use him as an example for a moment) he comes across as being a nice man but with little or no cuteness or toughness. He has proven time and time again that his tactical awareness is limited at best. Donal O Grady in contrast has a mean streak about him and you can tell he really hates being beaten. He is well able to control the County Board (which is a feat in itself). He always says the right things in interviews (gives nothing way and always plays down good performances). Contrast this to Gerald after the Galway game this year where he proclaimed it the greatest day in the history of Cork hurling! Great performance and rousing victory - yes; but it wasn't even an AI Quarter Final. With the Clare game the following week he would have been wise to say, "Look, it was a great win but the real action starts here and we have a huge challenge against Clare next weekend". By going along with the hype he played into Clare's hands and we nearly lost that game. I believe the players have absolutely ZERO faith in Gerald to take them to the next level. So it could be argued that some of the players don't want to waste the last 1 or 2 years of their careers playing under him. So I can understand their frustration. I've read a few very very anti-Cork articles and comments stating how you'd never see the Kilkenny or Tyrone players behaving in such fashion. If Brian Cody or Mickey Harte were sacked tomorrow and replaced by an inferior manager.I have no doubt but the Kilkenny and Tyrone players would kick up a big fuss and wouldn't just accept it. Just to finish up, I'l repeat the crucial point from above - When a manager loses the respect of the dressing room - how can he hope to be successful. When that happens there can only be one loser.and it will be Gerald.

corkgaafan (Cork) - Posts: 2 - 14/11/2008 13:53:37    141494

Could it be said that this great cork team maybe comming to an end anyways and they havn't a chance of winning an all-ireland full stop. Their taking out their fustrations at the loss to tipp and kilkenny on McCarthy?? With the right man in charge do you still think they would have a chance at beating kilkenny. Can McCarthy be blamed for the losses?

Hag_and_Cheese (Tipperary) - Posts: 6103 - 14/11/2008 14:14:45    141512

Icehonesty.

My remarks are childish?? What about your own enlightened erudite comments, starting off praising Sean Og and then saying how you wished he would retire. A brilliant piece of prose that. I was responding in kind.

Why are you so upset about what happens in Cork?? Why do you not talk about how the Wexford players shafted their manager? should that not be a bigger priority for you??

And another thing that I just can not let go were your remarks about Sean Og being no Henry Shefflin or Eoin Kelly. Maybe not, you are entitled to your opinion but consider the following. Sean Og did not arrive in Ireland until he was 12 (20 years ago-1988). Many children have several years of hurling coaching behind them by then (including Shefflin and Kelly) therefore he was starting at a disadvantage to the players you mentioned. Add to the fact that his mother is Fijian and his father is from Fermanagh, they would hardly have been instilling a love of hurling in him given that neither of them had pucked a ball in the life.

You should also factor in the fact that Ireland was hardly multi-cultural in 1988 when Sean Og first arrived. When he arrived he was different to the rest and he suffered the most appalling virulent abuse from people as a result. That is something that has continued by the way, both within Cork and from well knowm inter-county players that I will not mention. Sean Og has been the victim of some of the stuff that has caused FIFA to start campaigns (the stuff that everyone on this board was condemning-and rightly so- when it happened in Carlow this year).

A lesser man might have packed it up and succumbed to the "brave" boyos in the crowd. Not Sean Og, he has gone on to excel at both hurling (6 All-Ireland medals-played in 9 finals at all levels) and football (played in an All_ireland final,senior, in that too). I do not see Henry Shefflin or Eoin Kelly excelling at football?? From where he has come from and what he has put up with, in my opinion, I would rephrase your last sentence and say,

though Henry Shefflin and Eoin Kelly are good, they are no Sean Og. There are not many people like Sean Og. That is a pity because he will go down as one of the greatest athletes this country has ever known. No amount of comments in a newspaper will take that away from him and snide disgusting remarks lessen his achievements either. I would like to see you come through what he has come through and stille excel.

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 14/11/2008 14:47:31    141573

McCarhty has to hold some of the blame for the results but the players have to bear the brunt. As I've said before with the players carrying on like that how could McCarthy be expected to win anything?

daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 4012 - 14/11/2008 14:48:38    141575