Lads, ye can't get away from the fact that the man was elected to be the manager of the Cork team. ELECTED! Does this not mean anything to anyone?

icehonesty (Wexford) - Posts: 2574 - 05/11/2008 15:25:24    134323

Icehonesty.

Every half-wit despot in the world holds ELECTIONS. They are all ELECTED. Robert Mugabe was ELECTED, Rupiah Banda in Zambia was ELECTED, Mobouto Sese Soko, who plundered every ounce of wealth in the Congo DR, was ELECTED. We all know what ELECTED means. What we are arguing is that the ELECTION was not free and fair. Gerald McCarthy was ELECTED as there was nobody else on the card. Nobody else was aloud to stand. The spirit of last years arbitration was that many canidates would be interviewed and then the most suitbale would be ELECTED. That is the key issue. HAVE YOU NOT BEEN READING ABOUT THE ISSUE? BEING ELECTED IS NOT RELEVANT.

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 05/11/2008 16:16:25    134395

I see the players have come out with a lengthy statement, countering allegations made against them in the Examiner this morning. It just reads like 'he said this - we say that'. I feel it is the wrong thing to do and they are being badly advised. While the rest of the country has tuned out by now - other than to be browned off at what is happening (again!), I think even Cork people must be tired of all this spinning, whining, washing the dirty linen in public, claims, clounter claims etc. It serves no purpose to do this in the public eye. There is no sympathy to be gained at this stage. Nobody is going to read this and say 'oh the poor players'.

Why not get together with an arbitrator and tease out the allegations/claims in private - face to face. It looks increasingly like Cork may not participate in the hurling league whatever about the football. While I feel sorry for the fans and the damage to Cork's GAA tradition, I have to say that at this stage they would not be missed.

JayoCluxton (Dublin) - Posts: 2688 - 06/11/2008 09:15:23    134839

How much did the irish examiner pay them? In fairness they had to set the record straight. That wasn't the issue. However benny i think you'll even agree that they could have resolved things with this statement and been less inflamatory. However after that statement things are only going to get worse. i dont see the players winning this time. the cb will never back down.

daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 4012 - 06/11/2008 09:55:25    134862

I have been reading all about it Benny. I have read how the Cork hurlers bullied their way last year onto the management selection committees, a luxury which they are most ungrateful for and which is not afforded to players in any other county. I have read how the Senior players have influenced the younger members of the squad to strike with them (don't kid yourself that they haven't). I have read how the Cork players are prepared to break their binding arbitration by going on strike again. I have read how the players failed to propose any single other candidate in the selection meetings, which would hae had to have gone to the board- if they had done this, either their candidate would have gone to the board for election, or they would have had a proper case for going on strike if they didnt. I have read how the players tried to railroad Gerald McCarthy into resigning, a man who is no Mugabe, but who is one of the four or five biggest legends and all-time greats in Cork GAA. I have read how the players have, this morning, accused Gerald McCarthy of bullying young players, releasing confidential documentation, and misleading the public.

HAVE YOU BEEN READING ABOUT IT?

icehonesty (Wexford) - Posts: 2574 - 06/11/2008 10:05:05    134875

If the Cork County Board broke the rules, here's what should happen:

You ask Kieran Mulvey to come back down, to assess whether either side broke the binding agreement they came up with last year. If either side has he will see it. If not, the players have no case.

Why hasn't anybody done this?

icehonesty (Wexford) - Posts: 2574 - 06/11/2008 10:33:14    134903

I'm guessing icehonesty that were going to end up with a gaa fix to a gaa problem. It's simple really. Donal Og and some of the other senior lads who want things their own way need to step away. retire even. Frank Muprhy needs to find a new hobby. ******* people off isn't a very productive one.

daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 4012 - 06/11/2008 10:38:36    134910

Looks like it Daytona. I dunno, if they weren't happy with the arbitration process last year they should have said so at the time. If they were, they need to make sure that it was followed. If it was followed they have no case.

Bringing people's characters into question, wanting to re-negotiate stuff now a year later, people resigning, etc. is all unnecessary. From what I can see the County Board followed what was set down. But why not get back in the man who they all agreed with last year and let him decide.

To be honest, the fact that the players have not gone down this route makes me think that they have no case. If the County Board did break a rule then they would have been very quick to tell us so.

icehonesty (Wexford) - Posts: 2574 - 06/11/2008 10:54:11    134923

Icehonesty.

I do not want to personally insult you here, there is no need for that but your last post has infuriated me. You might have been reading about it but I firmly, in fact I am 100% convinced, that you have taken up things completely wrong. You are guilty of gross misinterpretation. You are an outsider in all of this and I can understand that you are furious with it, especiallly considering what happened in last year's league with Wexford. However, I feel that you are taking the county board's side on this and are ignoring everything the players have to say. Today was the first time they went to the media. I firmly believe that you are predisposed, for whatever reason, to not liking these players.

If you were actively involved in Cork GAA, if you were aware of the inner workings of our county board over the last number of decades, I assure you that you would not hold the narrow-minded opinions that you now hold. At this point in time, this conflict does not concern anyone outside of Cork. The players went to the media in reaction to the county board and Gerald McCarthy.

I do hope that Cork do not have a team in this year's league and Championsip (2009). It will take desperate measures to sort this out. Kieran Mulvey is not needed, it is Nicky Brennan or Christy Cooney. They do not want to interfere because they do not want to touch their ould buddies in the county board. It is spineless to say the least. If they only showed the same courage and determination as the Cork players, who are standing up for what they believe despite the attitudes of people like you Icehonesty (who know little or nothing about the situation).

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 06/11/2008 13:43:04    135078

Bennybuny:
Just a quick queston , do you think Cooney would be able to get Murphy to resign?
Cooney being a cork man will he be willing to take FM on?

ver (None) - Posts: 228 - 06/11/2008 16:29:27    135217

Doubtful. But he had better do something. If you are leader then you should act like one. Sean Kelly (Kerry and ex-president) said that is a GAA matter and that Kieran Mulvey should never have got involved. How right he is?? Mulvey was sent down because Nicky Brennan was afraid. I wonder would Kelly get involved? It would look bad on us though if it took a Kerryman to sort out our hurlers! then agin things can not get any worse

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 06/11/2008 17:01:57    135272

A Kerry man to sort out the Cork hurlers???
Thats the best thing I ever heard.

mossbags (Galway) - Posts: 1089 - 06/11/2008 17:24:26    135309

I believe that this matter is almost unresolvable at present. The statements released by the players today and Cathal O Reilly on Saturday mean that this mess is very very bad and alot worse that last year or 2002. In fact if you put 2007 and 2002 together and doubled them, then I don't think you will come close to the ill feeling between the parties involved. Gerald Mc Carthy's position is untenable and that is putting it as mildly as possible. Even Cathal O Reilly coming out on Saturday stating that he didn't release a copy of the players views on Mc Carthy to the media. he said it was a confidential document which both players and management all agreed to. He basically said that Gerald Mc Carthy had released it to the examiner and he spoke about the lack of trust that was already there between mc carthy and the players, well now thanks to this idiotic decision to release that information, that trust is well and truly evaporated. I am very surprised by Mc Carthy's stance in all this. His comments and actions have escalated this dispute greatly. Now the players have come back with their statement today and from reading it you get the sense of how committed to their cause, they are. I don't see any end in sight to all this. for me, the only way to end this, is for about five or six of the senior players to walk away with the entire executive of the CCB and Gerald Mc Carthy and his management team. Do anyone see it happening?

happytobehere (Cork) - Posts: 360 - 06/11/2008 21:24:04    135510

Did anyone see John Gardiner on prime time last night? He basically said that the players are not going to back down. The situation without a doubt is unresolvable. I can see Gerald McCarthy calling up 30 new players if he has to. The CB and McCarhty will not back down. They cant.

daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 4012 - 07/11/2008 11:35:57    135818

Gonna do a u-turn on this lads

I'm now completely behind the players. Lets just say I got the inside scoop on the whole issue and there is a lot more to this than just a bunch of upstart players getting too big for their boots. For people to come on here and think that they can comment....ye really can't. I know for a fact that if players in any other county had to deal with what the Cork players have had to endure from the county board we would be looking at strikes up and down the country.

Don't go by the rubbish that is being spouted in the national media, don't even go by Diarmaid Flynn in the Examiner. My esteemed colleague Tom Humphries is your best source of knowledge on this one.

I know people will lead with the argument that 'if they don't want to play, then don't, we'll get someone else to'. Simply put, there is no one else. All current inter county players are towing the line on this one, who would want to join the panel now when there is a manager that doesn't have the confidence of the players.

For all those who have decided to have a poke at Corks expense, shame on you. I'm pro players all the way!!!

holymoly (Dublin) - Posts: 757 - 07/11/2008 11:59:02    135865

Consideing the county board and gerald mc Carthy replys to players statement, i think this has got very bitter all of a sudden,
theres no way the either side will back down now, to be honest its now getting out of control, can they not sit in front of each other and say what they have to say ,why is it all through media .however what i cant understand is that CCB and gerald are trying to drive a wedge between younger and older players. I think it is a stragy of divide and concur. which makes no sence at all.
I think we have face up to the fact that this years argument will get a lot worse than last year.
So it may be no league /chamonship for us.
God the thought of it,I really cant even handle the thought of it

ver (None) - Posts: 228 - 07/11/2008 12:03:18    135875

Well that's all well and good holymoly but would you mind evualating when you say you got the inside scoop? What are these bad things the players have to put up with?

Loyal2TheRoyal (Meath) - Posts: 4522 - 07/11/2008 12:10:58    135882

I am with HM on this one. Very easy for ye hurlers on the ditch to look down ure noeses and give out about Cork Hurlers and Cork people in general, open ure eyes. Get your heads out of your "traditional" backsides and back the player. Your a bunch of bueracrats. Up the Rebels!

Liamwalkinstown (Dublin) - Posts: 8166 - 07/11/2008 12:11:15    135883

07/11/2008 11:59:02
holymoly
County: Dublin
Posts: 514

135865 Gonna do a u-turn on this lads

I'm now completely behind the players. Lets just say I got the inside scoop on the whole issue and there is a lot more to this than just a bunch of upstart players getting too big for their boots. For people to come on here and think that they can comment....ye really can't. I know for a fact that if players in any other county had to deal with what the Cork players have had to endure from the county board we would be looking at strikes up and down the country.

Don't go by the rubbish that is being spouted in the national media, don't even go by Diarmaid Flynn in the Examiner. My esteemed colleague Tom Humphries is your best source of knowledge on this one.

I know people will lead with the argument that 'if they don't want to play, then don't, we'll get someone else to'. Simply put, there is no one else. All current inter county players are towing the line on this one, who would want to join the panel now when there is a manager that doesn't have the confidence of the players.

For all those who have decided to have a poke at Corks expense, shame on you. I'm pro players all the way!!!

So you admit that you changed your mind on this. But now anyone who holds the view that you did not so long ago should be ashamed of themselves? Were you ashamed of yourself when you held that view?
Why is Diarmaid Flynn but Tom Humphries right?

RMDrive (Donegal) - Posts: 2202 - 07/11/2008 12:18:53    135897

Expand Hm. You cant post something like that and not let us in on the inside story. It's wrong. Can you not understand why people here are against the players? maybe if we knew the inside story we would be behind them.

daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 4012 - 07/11/2008 12:19:48    135900