There is a hard-core of players on this Cork team, of which O'Connor is one. Deane, Cusack, O'Sullivan, O'Connor, Timmy McCarth, Halpin, etc. Plus now Gardiner. They take turns speaking.

icehonesty (Wexford) - Posts: 2574 - 30/10/2008 12:34:12    129754

daytona11
County: Kildare
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129682 posters,
it was alarming to hear ben o connor speak out against mcarhty and saying the players would not return, he's usually very quiet. something must be very wrong if he speaks out.
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Thats the point isnt it , Ben is a very shy fella,so him speaking out just shows how serious this is. however it must be noted that the reporter is from the next paraish ,and always goes to the o'connors if he wants something on the cork team, actually that reporter even wrote the book on Newtwonshandrum club histroy having read that book there is a section on the o'connors mum and a chapter on the twins alone.
but the point is though that Ben oviously spoke on the record, so he obviously feels very strongly on the isssue.

ver (None) - Posts: 228 - 30/10/2008 12:35:39    129755

jaysus how will they hurl with their hands tied? Not even Colin Lynch could do that!!

banner_boy (Clare) - Posts: 1285 - 30/10/2008 12:39:15    129764

daytona11
County: Kildare
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129682 posters,

What do people think of corks 1999 winning captain landers saying the solution is for both frank murphy and og cusack to quit? both men seem to be the main protaganists (sorry for the spelling) in the dispute. i think he may have a point. it was alarming to hear ben o connor speak out against mcarhty and saying the players would not return, he's usually very quiet. something must be very wrong if he speaks out

Frank won't go unless he's pushed or it's on a gurney. He's done many great things for Cork GAA but as has been proven so often in the past - he's like fire - a good servant buit a bad master.

I don't know Donal and wouldn't care to represent his view but my guess is he'd go in if Frank would go too. It's a bit of an unrealistic scenario though.

CorkieInKerry (Cork) - Posts: 93 - 30/10/2008 13:12:22    129827

What people should be reading into Lander's comments is that he wants Frank Murphy to go. I would not be sure that he wants Og Cusack to go. He is possibly only saying that so as not to appear bias. The problem is the selection committee. The vote-88 to 6- in favour of Gerald McCarthy was not a fair reflection of democracy.

The vote was on selecting McCarthy, where the choice was McCarthy or nobody. 88 people felt that McCarthy would be better than having no manager at all, 6 people felt that having no manager would be better than having McCarthy.

Ok, the Cork players agreed to having two representatives on the panel that selects the manager. Agreeing to this, as stipulated by Kieran Mulvey, they hoped to democratically appoint a new manager. What did the county board do, but only allow one canidate to go forward and appoint other members to the committee knowing that they would side with them. That is hardly democratic.

As for Colin, if that is how you remember the Cork players then that is a poor reflection on you. The thing is the players no that there are "supporters" like you out there yet still believe in what they are doing. That is an indication of how right they are. Do not worry anyway Colin, there will be plenty of club hurling to keep us going. You can start by heading down to watch Sars on Sunday versus Clonlara.

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 30/10/2008 14:07:33    129948

Sorry lads, but what exactly is the deal with FM? He wrote his own contract??What does that mean? Is he Chairman for life without ever having to contest?

u22ok (None) - Posts: 45 - 30/10/2008 15:29:27    130097

u22ok
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130097 Sorry lads, but what exactly is the deal with FM? He wrote his own contract??What does that mean? Is he Chairman for life without ever having to contest?

The answer is yes only that he is secretary and not chairman.

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 30/10/2008 15:46:15    130121

who'' colin lynch banner boy!!!

daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 4012 - 30/10/2008 15:48:13    130125

u22ok County: All Posts: 11 130097 Sorry lads, but what exactly is the deal with FM? He wrote his own contract??What does that mean? Is he Chairman for life without ever having to contest? ***************** Got it in one, so its up to him when he decides to go. In my opinion its not a democarcy we have Benny when & where is the sars match on ?

ver (None) - Posts: 228 - 30/10/2008 16:07:58    130146

Sars v Clonlara

Next Sunday, 2.30 down the Pairc

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 30/10/2008 16:43:11    130171

Let them strike, they bring nothing to the Championship anyway

pplocal (Tyrone) - Posts: 5878 - 30/10/2008 16:49:33    130184

Tony Considine had a good article in the irish examiner today blaming the Cork County Board delegates for not speaking up. He gave the very simple example that last year the Cork County Board (which is made up of all the various club delegates) voted unanimously for teddy holland to be the new cork football manager. a number of months later the voted unanimously that he should be removed. They simply followed what the top table were telling them i.e. Frank Murphy and that was that.

Ye should read the whole article, he is critical of both players and officials but it is well balanced. In fact maybe Mark Landers is right and the only solution is for Frank Murphy and Donal Og to be made walk away. I'd sacrifice Donal Og for that outcome.

happytobehere (Cork) - Posts: 360 - 30/10/2008 18:27:57    130287

Having said in another thread something to the effect that hurling is a joke of a game, I don't think your comment holds any weight Mr. Plunkett. Don't talk about what you don't know about, and especially about what you don't care about

St.K (Cork) - Posts: 210 - 30/10/2008 20:57:38    130370

can i just ask posters from cork what their defintion of "binding arbitration" is. the cork players agreed under binding arbitration that they would not revert to strike action again. So could it be said that there is no negotiating with some of these renegade players as they will just go against rulings and mutual agreenments when they are not getting ther own way.

daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 4012 - 31/10/2008 09:40:30    130556

The "binding arbitration" was for both the players and the County Board. The players have stated that the selection process for finding a "new" manager was farcical and that it was in breach of this so call binding arbitration. The players have stated that had the County Board and Frank Murphy's five man committee (Actually 7 but what was the point on having the two players representatives) actually looked or even considered another candidate of two the the players would have had no arguments. It would have been a case that Gerald Mc Carthy would have got the job without any cribs. This is where I believe that the Secretary decided to make a conscious decision as they were going through the selection process to ignore the players representatives on the committee. He knew this would cause this conflict and is quite happy for it to continue, carefully watching public opinion and media attention on this saga. Clearly from reading the bulk of the posts on this site, the players have little support and Cork's good name is being dragged through the mud, which is of course all our own making. We have done this all by ourselves with no help from any outside agency (except the head of the larbour court Kieran Mulvey who came up with the binding arbitration in the first place).

happytobehere (Cork) - Posts: 360 - 31/10/2008 11:17:29    130665

daytona11 County: Kildare Posts: 1133 130556 can i just ask posters from cork what their defintion of "binding arbitration" is. the cork players agreed under binding arbitration that they would not revert to strike action again. So could it be said that there is no negotiating with some of these renegade players as they will just go against rulings and mutual agreenments when they are not getting ther own way. Technically they're not striking -which is defined as an organized work stoppage. They're deciding not to play for Cork anymore or as they phrase it 'withrawing their services. Okay it's semantics, the net effect is the same and if all or most of the panel withdraw then it effectively is a strike, albeit by another name. Technically they can say it's not a strike and they are meeting the strict legalistic requirements of the "binding arbitration" agreement while totally failing to live up to the spirit of the agreement. Funnily enough that's precisely what the CCB did by the manner in which they appointed Gerald McCarthy. Sauce for the goose.... Agree that Donal Og agreeing to go would be a price worth paying to finally get rid of Frank but Frank agreeing to go is about a likely as an over 70 saying that they don't want a medical card....

CorkieInKerry (Cork) - Posts: 93 - 31/10/2008 11:25:02    130678

dowchabiy County: UK Posts: 64 130482 I presume an awful lot of people on here would have respect for that McCarthy who's actually a very decent manager, Justin. This is one of the best managers in the game who will never get a crack at managing his own county because he doesn't get on with the County Secretary, because he once had the guts to stand up to him. If a man of Justin's integrity is seen as such a threat then I imagine that the integrity of these current players sends a shiver up the spine of the Co. Board. In Justin's own words..."Cork win All Irelands despite the County Secretary, not because of him" Whingers? I think not. Heroes more like. Great men are often slagged off by the ignorant majority. The value of these players when the history books are written will not be measured in the currency of All Ireland medals, they'll have hopefully won something much more valuable for Cork Hurling. As for the begrudgers... well you know how the saying goes. dowchabiy, Fair play to you, This is a brilliant post you have on another thread. I think it reflects the true feelings of genuine Cork and GAA supporters who can see past the blame game and see what the players are doing is for the etterment of Cork Hurling. Thank you.

happytobehere (Cork) - Posts: 360 - 31/10/2008 11:35:07    130697

interesting article from todays independant by colm keys. Sheds a bit of light on things maybe? An explosive dossier put into the public domain yesterday reveals a deep respect running throughout the Cork hurling squad for their manager, Gerald McCarthy, this summer. The contents of the dossier could be potentially embarrassing to the players in the face of their unyielding vow not to play for McCarthy after he was ratified by Cork County Board for another two-year term last week. The revelation comes on a day when McCarthy issued a 900-word statement calling on young members of the squad not to be influenced by some of their icons. In the statement, McCarthy went on the offensive and accused a small core of Cork hurlers of having a "pre-disposition to conflict". Offensive He also said that their status and achievements did not entitle them "to treat people in a summary and offensive way" and that it "reflects poorly on them". The players confronted McCarthy last week and requested he not put forward his name, but clearly their relationship with him wasn't as bad as it has been portrayed over the last 10 days, even if the comments deliberately steered clear of negativity. The dossier was compiled at the suggestion of Cathal O'Reilly, a Cork-based business transformation manager with a strong background in hurling who was brought on board at the behest of the players after the Tipperary defeat in the Munster championship. His brief was to work on a better relationship between the players and management and to provide motivational techniques to get more out of them as a group. McCarthy embraced the idea and one of the exercises before the Galway game was for each panel member to compile their thoughts on their playing colleagues and their management. McCarthy comes in for rich praise from many quarters of the dressing-room and when presented with the evidence of what they had written about him, he was reputedly energised about them. Cork goalkeeper Donal Og Cusack spoke of the journey they would share up the steps of the Hogan Stand later in the year and admitted he had initially been paranoid about McCarthy's appointment. "Now I have grown to realise that this man wants this team to be as successful as anyone and is prepared to do or try anything to get us there," writes Cusack. Significantly, however, the one golden rule of the exercise that O'Reilly proposed was there should be no negative comments about anyone and that is something that the players will use in the defence of their current position of refusing to play for McCarthy. It would have been counter-productive to have been critical in the middle of a campaign. In a separate development, the former All-Ireland-winning captain Tomas Mulcahy has questioned whether the players had proposed an alternative to McCarthy at any stage during the five meetings they had as part of the selection committee. "I'd ask that question and I'd also suggest that if there was an alternative put up there, Gerald might not have put himself forward. If the players wanted someone else, who did they want and if they didn't propose, why didn't they?" asked Mulcahy. Mulcahy added that if the current impasse continues throughout next year "the gates of every hurling club in the county might as well be locked. "Every club and every player aspires to getting a run on the county team. As much as winning club titles that is a significant end product," he said.

daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 4012 - 31/10/2008 13:08:13    130849

Funny how that report into how the players felt about ~Mc carthy after the tipp match has found its way into the media, i sure O' Reilly didnt leak it , he was paid to do a job. the players certainly didnt
so i wonder how another document that meant for CCB and players only found its way in the media ????

ver (None) - Posts: 228 - 31/10/2008 14:36:49    130934

Brilliant post there yourself, happytobehere on the vote last year with the footballers. We are doing our bit to change people's attitude. You are right, this thing is all of Cork's own making. If we get kicked out of the championship next year so be it once people realize that this is the county board's making and not the players. The problem here is 100% with the county board.

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 31/10/2008 14:37:06    130935