Speedy, some good points, but how come it takes the 2nd best team in Ireland 46 minutes to score?

I was only comparing Ulster. Obviously Kilkenny would beat Antrim at football, probably at hurling as well.

I did invite others to do their own province.

I was simply looking to see where the GAA was strong in each of the counties.

As usual, in Ulster, it is Antrim, as reflected in the fact that they have won about 100 more Ulster titles than anyone else.

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 12/10/2008 15:08:51    117518

In Hurling Antrim are simply the best of a bad bunch

momo (Tyrone) - Posts: 60 - 12/10/2008 15:51:54    117524

what a load of rubbish. pointless.

chtyrone (Tyrone) - Posts: 13 - 12/10/2008 16:35:47    117526

Another great wind-up from Patrique! I was going to put Down above Antrim but then I remembered Fiona Shannon's handball titles...

On that note surely Cavan should be higher up the list due to Paul Brady & Michael Finnegan?

Benandonner (Antrim) - Posts: 459 - 12/10/2008 17:17:48    117531

It disgusts me to see tyrone people insulting hurling by calling it stickball

speedy12 your post was hilarious, by far the stupidest post ive ever seen on this site

bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4678 - 12/10/2008 17:26:23    117534

The best way to rank the Ulster teams is to give each marks out of ten for both their hurling team and football team and add them together i.e Tyrone Football 9/10 Hurling 3/10 = 12/20...etc.
Maybe Derry would work out to rank as no. 1 GAA county in Ulster

bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4678 - 12/10/2008 17:29:38    117536

Bellyman, I agree that the Leinster football final was a freak result. Esteemed writers like Liam Hayes tipped Wexford to win before the game. I think Wexford would beat the Dubs at hurling, but the football could possibly even it up, hard to say.

Fredthered, I totally agree with you.

However.....it is interesting to note that a number of posters, all from the one county, simply dismiss hurling because their county is not very good at it. They seem to imply that because their county is not good at it, it should be ignored.

Perhaps I should have totally ignored football.

Are there any teams in Ulster good at football? Early in the season I said Ulster were poor this year. Given that, we all simply ignored the football championship, because if we are not good at it, it doesn't count.

Did any Ulster team show improvement after July?

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 12/10/2008 18:38:20    117554

Did any Ulster team show improvement after July?

Patrique, i belive they are called Tyrone i.e. All Ireland Champions.

Monaghan08 (Monaghan) - Posts: 188 - 12/10/2008 20:18:04    117597

Hold on there Patrique,

As someone else said what about the rounders and handball and of course being a true socalist you wont want to discrimate against the ladies codes either.
Also remember the GAA is not all about sport either, scor and irish language are prehaps the most importatnt parts of the gaa so they will need to be considered as well proably with a greater weighting than than the other things.

So I tell you what you come up with a way of incorporating these things into your scoring system, we will approve it and then you can begin to compile the scores for each county

What do you think? It will be a good wee project for you and who knows you could even bring it to congress so that the GAA could have a ranking system that each county would strive to be at the top off and in time would be able to replace the Sam Maguire and Liam McCarthy

omaghjoe (Tyrone) - Posts: 1191 - 12/10/2008 21:27:57    117618

winning the all ireland is dat not an improvement patrique??idiot

ffgg (Longford) - Posts: 2571 - 12/10/2008 21:53:00    117628

Big mistake Pat..... You did'nt include the handball !!!

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 12/10/2008 22:59:17    117653

Patrique - perhaps you are the one dismissing football because Antrim are not very good at it.

bocerty (Tyrone) - Posts: 539 - 13/10/2008 09:47:13    117728

Patrique as much as you claim your approach is fair, it is in fact not. You should calculate an average aggregate score per game, not saying antrim will come out on top but as some teams have played more ulster teams than others this cannot be seen as a afir result. Also, If that is your argument i can safely say antrim will come last next year, they wont beat an ulster team in hurling or football.

...

Derry_ledd (Derry) - Posts: 2093 - 13/10/2008 10:05:25    117739

patrique sure why not go the whole hog and include hand ball then cavan would improve greatly also whatabout scor , we would challenge our dinky mcbride tyrone gaa's most famous irish dancer to anything antrim could throw at us!

if your gonna be smart using the hurling use all the branches of cumann luth chleas gael to rank the counties.

redhandman (Tyrone) - Posts: 431 - 13/10/2008 10:45:39    117762

Patrique, I have being trying to research the Ulster Football Final winners of the early years. You obviously have a good book from which you get your information. Could you tell me which county won in 1897 ? Also I have discovered that the Ulster Football Final was played in Dundalk in the following years, 1910 Antrim v Cavan, 1931 Cavan v Armagh and 1942 Cavan v Down. Antrim beat us but we won the other two. Why were these games played in Dundalk.? I know that Cavan v Armagh replay in 1939 was played in Croke Park as there were problems at the drawn game in Castleblaney when the crowd overflowed onto the field and that Final had to be abandoned. With your knowledge these matters should pose no problems !

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 13/10/2008 11:02:28    117778

Speedy...take your points but in hurling you can hook someone from a distance...so you can basically stop a player from scoring if your either side of him, in front or behind him. therefore you need to get away from lads to score unlike football

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 13/10/2008 11:17:44    117797

You forgot to include Scor titles!

Fredthered (Donegal) - Posts: 1144 - 13/10/2008 11:29:04    117808

Speedy. Your points are fair enough but i would add a caveat. Yes you can score from over your shoulder but it is hardly that easy to do is it.?? It is not the first thing you learn when playing hurling. How many times do you see it happen?? Not very often. It takes a lot of practice.

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 13/10/2008 12:26:56    117873

Quick Patrique - its been a least 2 hours before you posted a purposely provoking post!!!!!


Your logic is this thread is non-sensical as pointed out by some of the previous posters. Doesnt deserve debate.

Goodfella, Tir (None) - Posts: 1652 - 13/10/2008 13:54:28    117950

Thanks Omaghjoe, the ladies, 6 (six) all Ireland senior titles, again putting Antrim top in Ulster, Cavan and Down have 5 each.

Mind you Monaghan have done well in ladies football but that is a totally separate organisation. Camogie has always been counted as one of the main three sports, and is therefore accepted by "custom and practice".

And for Derry Ledd, I did say each team plays each other at football and hurling, not necessarily in the Ulster championship. And I am confident Antrim will win the Ulster hurling in 2009.

But, alas, there is one blindingly obvious thing to be garnered from the replies here.

What a disastrous year Kilkenny have had, nay, a disastrous decade. Surely the GAA authorities should be flooding that county with coaches and resources before they are lost to the association entirely.

OK they won a few things at "stickball" I believe Omaghjoe called it, but many posts on this thread discount that.

And just for the poster from Monaghan, how would anyone in Ulster know Tyrone had improved and won the all Ireland, sure the rest are useless at football so obviously would argue that football doesn't count in the greater scheme of things.

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 13/10/2008 15:31:34    118030