Time to rank the Ulster counties for 2008 now that the playing season is over.

1: Antrim

2: Down

3: Derry

4: Armagh

5: Tyrone

6: Fermanagh

7: Monaghan

8: Donegal

9: Cavan

Not a lot to choose between 5,6 and 7 and could cause debate.

This was arrived at in a simple manner. Each county plays each other, once at football, once at hurling, and add up the aggregate scores. Couldn't be fairer than that, could it?

No change at the top, Antrim yet again, and Down and Derry still close. Armagh probably the most improved.

How do other provinces rate?

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 10/10/2008 22:33:59    117254

patrique sorry to burst your bubble but the only way Antrim will ever be top of the pile in Ulster is when you list the teams in alphabetical order!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

bocerty (Tyrone) - Posts: 539 - 11/10/2008 13:32:47    117311

Christ of almighty...

mid-mon man (Monaghan) - Posts: 1680 - 11/10/2008 13:49:39    117318

Time to quit the drink Pat as its effecting your brain!

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 11/10/2008 14:24:46    117329

Aha, the chicken's come home to roost and all that.

Slasher outraged, but Cavan cannot complain. I think the ranking is true for them.

Monaghan or Fermanagh may argue the toss about Tyrone being ahead of them, but not Cavan.

And Slasher, I have taken your advice about drink, in 1990.

I advise you to give up the old crystal meths as it is affecting your judgement.

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 11/10/2008 16:33:26    117365

Bocerty, are you disputing these rankings, or simply talking nonsense?

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 11/10/2008 16:34:04    117366

LOL
He is talking about STICKBALL
I cant believe that yous fell for his little trick.

Patrique some of your claims, identity clues, windups and prehaps most significantly of all your refusual to accept that you are ever wrong even with your most extravagant claims are very similar style to another poster that has gone missing of late.
Is there somthing that you want to tell us?

omaghjoe (Tyrone) - Posts: 1191 - 11/10/2008 17:28:34    117383

I cannot help the reading ability or concentration span in the rest of the province.

Look at the formula and tell me I am wrong, and point out where.

I admit I included football although it is ignored by many, (sure it's only football he means) but it seemed the fairest way.

For those with an even shorter concentration span, I will give an example.

Say Tyrone beat Derry by 3 points at football, but Derry beat them by 23 at hurling. Derry win on an aggregate score of 20 points.

To me it gives a fair reflection of the state of the counties in matters GAA.

To date, no-one has come up with an argument against the rankings. Should Fermanagh be at 5, Tyrone at seven, Monaghan at 6.

At least no-one has disputed the top three.

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 11/10/2008 18:12:40    117391

Patrique -
Excellent post. A fair and balanced summary of the current state of GAA in the 9 counties.
Some narrow-minded people are still ignorant of the fact that the greatest ball game in the world was
born on this fine Isle. Hurling can never be reduced to a game of stacked defences or (God help us)
twin towers. It will always be a contest of skill and speed. In short,bog ball is a secondary game for
counties that have not got the higher ability needed to play Hurling.
I would do the same for Leinster but the rest are so far behind WEXFORD they're a joke!

BELLYMAN (Wexford) - Posts: 157 - 11/10/2008 18:27:56    117397

Patrique, for a start a ranking system based on aggregate scores is ridiculous. Hurling games generally have a lot more scores than football games. A hammering in football would be anything above 10 points difference while in hurling it'd be 20+. It's all well and good coming up with a different ranking system for the craic but your condescending attempts to justify it and ridicule those who disagree are ironic.

Special K (Louth) - Posts: 114 - 11/10/2008 19:26:22    117402

Special K, no-one has disagreed.

You shouldn't read too much into posts.

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 11/10/2008 19:47:44    117408

Why do hurling games have more scores than football? More skilful perhaps?

Please no-one tell me it is easier to score in hurling. In the final this year it took Waterford something like 46 minutes to score from play, so it cannot be that easy.

So Antrim are to be scorned for producing the most skilful players in the province.

By the way, Wexford and the Dubs would be close in Leinster.

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 11/10/2008 20:25:07    117415

where did you find the time to work that out? I would've been bored before I'd even started........

SamiPremier08 (Tipperary) - Posts: 177 - 11/10/2008 20:44:31    117417

Aggregate system Pat. You are definitely back on the soup. When did Cavan play Antrim in hurling for you to get an aggregate ?

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 12/10/2008 00:17:14    117454

Patrique,



"To me it gives a fair reflection of the state of the counties in matters GAA"

Have you considered all the GAA codes in your ranking system ?

hand_ball (Tyrone) - Posts: 3 - 12/10/2008 10:43:41    117467

Pat, why not bring handball into the equation or rounders another G.A.A. game. This would make your selective arguement even more rediculous.

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 12/10/2008 11:31:17    117479

Antrim are the world rounders champions.

Not too bad at handball either.

Excuse me for asking, is the GAA Gaelic football?

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 12/10/2008 13:35:20    117490

hurling is much easier to score in for the following reasons (i have played both)
1.BALANCE u dont use ur feet therefore u have better balance, in football u have to balance on one leg
2.DISTANCE outside 50m scoreing is difficult in footbal, in hurling trhe halfway line is shooting range
3. hurlers can shoot over their shoulders so dont need to turn, this is near impossible in gaelic
4.ACCURACY hurlers strike with a flat surface, footballers kick with a foot that contains arches. iv proved this point a few times take a half decent hurler gibe him as many goes as needed to score from 14m out on either sideline, ask a footballer to do the same, regardless of how good he is its much more difficult
5. the ball is bigger in relation to posts, try getting somethin 4-5 times as wide through the same gap in anything.. its more difficult.

and on another note u cant compare differnent sports and decide whos better on aggregate, ur system is based on the fact ulster counties only play in ulster (ironic for an antrim person). try it including games outside ulster.. antrim v kilkenny would tip the results on its own!

speedy12 (Fermanagh) - Posts: 592 - 12/10/2008 13:53:42    117497

Patrique........you have way too much free time!

Fredthered (Donegal) - Posts: 1144 - 12/10/2008 14:24:12    117504

Patrique-
I'm not so sure the Dubs are that close to us. Any time we want to beat them in hurling we will.
It's just a question of moving up through the gears (gears the Dubs don't have).
That was a freak result in the Leinster final this year. A more accurate assement would be to
consider the pasting Dublin got from Tyrone while every-one knows that Tyrone had a lucky
escape against us in the semi-final.

BELLYMAN (Wexford) - Posts: 157 - 12/10/2008 14:36:27    117509