ulsterman , yes tyrone have our measure theres no sour grapes here . but answer me who is the more consistent side since 03

kerryblue (Kerry) - Posts: 239 - 08/10/2008 03:27:36    115225

Green_n_gold

You are right about most things that you say that the kerry fans congratulated tyrone on their win. Its the last few lines that is the problem, trying to claim that the teams are equal this decade is laughable, you have already admitted that you know tyrones reasons for being poor in certain years, being in 5 finals in a row is certainly impressive but considering the fact that you'se get a bye into the quarter final every year it is hardly suprising. How you can claim to be equal to a team that has beat you'se 3 times out of 3 in championship football this decade is a mystery. Everyone knows that prematch it was set up to see who was really the best from players, fans and media alike, now when kerry lose the big decider some people cannot admitt that tyrone have been better than them. Spillane came out and admitted it, as did bomber.

samin10 (Armagh) - Posts: 2434 - 08/10/2008 09:22:36    115263

Samin10 u really r ridiculous! It pains you to say it that kerry are the most succesfull team of all time. You can blame all the injuries you want for tyrone dissapearing for years at a time, but every team gets injuries. Kerry won an allireland with out seamus moynihan and dara o'se. Simple as this Kerry have been in 9 consecutive all ireland semi finals and 5 finals. Now how you can claim any other team is more consistent than kerry over the last decade is astounding.

Now samin 10 accept the god damn facts that Kerry ARE THE MOST SUCCESSFULL TEAM IN THE COUNTRY AND ALWAYS WILL BE!

NOW PLZ GO BACK TO YOUR OWN MESSAGE BOARD AND MASTERMIND A PLAN TO TRY AND BEAT WEXFORD NEXT YEAR, I AM SURE THEY NEED YOUR TRUELY AMAZING FOOTBALL KNOWLEDGE ALOT MORE THAN WE DO! AFTER ALL WE HAVE 36 SAM'S YE HAVE A SOLITARY 1!!!!!!!!

Ciarrai Abu (Overseas) - Posts: 1050 - 08/10/2008 10:51:12    115314

Ciarrai Abu,

Your typical Kerry arrogance does not suprise me, i will once again point out to you that kerry are by far the most successfull footballing county in ireland of all time, they have produced more great players than any other county, they will never be caught in terms of all-ireland titles. They are the greatest without question, but anytime i make a point you just prove me right. ( ie kerry fans want to be told all the time that they are the best, if they are told they are not they lose the rag as you just have AGAIN) All i have ever said is that Kerry have not been the greatest team this decade, nobody is saying they are not of all time because they clearly are. As far as kerry being in so many all-ireland semi finals goes, that simply just does not wash, you'se get a bye every year to the quarter finals with a couple of wee warm up games. Kerry are the most consistant team but consistant does not always mean best. You say every team gets injuries, of course they do, but if you are trying to say kerry or any other team have had to contend with the things tyrone have this past four or five years then as i have always suspected you clearly know nothing about football. (certainly not outside of your own county anyway) As far as slagging me about wexford goes, i have no problem admitting that wexford were better than us, you should try admitting that you have been wrong and that you are not as great as you thought you were, i have done it. It eases the pain.

samin10 (Armagh) - Posts: 2434 - 08/10/2008 11:28:37    115350

Samin10 - It may not wash with you, but the facts are simple and plain for all to see whether you accept this or not! Our so called bye to a quarter final is another one of your stupid comments. Cork are better than all teams in Ulster Bar Tyrone, there record since the introduction of the back door simply proves this, whether you like it or not! Samin10 Ulster has only been a competitive province since 2003 so your sudden rise to power does not suddenyl make Ulster all supreme and all conquering. Please take that northern chip off your shoulder. Whether things wash with you or not is your problem boyo'. And what bugs me is this northern agenda that Kerry win soft all irelands, this team has not recieved the credit it deserves but i have no doubt in the future when pig minded GAA fans have been long forgotten and ulster football had descended back into the doldrums where it was for so long, this great kerry team will get the credit they deserve. But hey one thing is for sure this team will never recieve the credit they deserve from idiots like you!!!!!!

Ciarrai Abu ;)

Ciarrai Abu (Overseas) - Posts: 1050 - 08/10/2008 11:45:18    115369

Kerry fans in denial...Strange name for a thread. Never heard any Kerry person denying that they were Kerry fans!

Real Kerry Fan (None) - Posts: 2957 - 08/10/2008 12:37:36    115423

Green_n_gold

You are right about most things that you say that the kerry fans congratulated tyrone on their win. Its the last few lines that is the problem, trying to claim that the teams are equal this decade is laughable, you have already admitted that you know tyrones reasons for being poor in certain years, being in 5 finals in a row is certainly impressive but considering the fact that you'se get a bye into the quarter final every year it is hardly suprising. How you can claim to be equal to a team that has beat you'se 3 times out of 3 in championship football this decade is a mystery. Everyone knows that prematch it was set up to see who was really the best from players, fans and media alike, now when kerry lose the big decider some people cannot admitt that tyrone have been better than them. Spillane came out and admitted it, as did bomber.

The real problem Samin10 is that you think your opinion is the only right one. You're perfectly entitled to your belief but I am equally entitled to mine. Neither should be "laughable". Tyrone have beaten Kerry 3 times this decade. How many times this decade have Cork beaten us? Is it a mystery that we would claim to be at least Cork's equal even though we've lost to them?

As regards this "bye" Kerry get every year - ye can't have it every way. If we were coming through a competitive province like Ulster, ye'd say "ah but Kerry have the advantage of hard games early on". It's also fairly obvious that there's no need to win a single game in Ulster to win an All-Ireland so really this line of argument is redundant but I would also add that Galway/Mayo, and Cork also benefit from a "bye" into the final each year. So what is your point?

Basically this thing is going round in circles. But I think it's ironic that as a Kerry person, I can appreciate Tyrone's achievement and respect them as a team, but posters from other counties cannot accept that Kerry have been right up there too.

Green_N_Gold1 (Kerry) - Posts: 103 - 08/10/2008 12:52:24    115432

Ciarrai Abu
County: Overseas
Posts: 290

115369 Samin10 - It may not wash with you, but the facts are simple and plain for all to see whether you accept this or not! Our so called bye to a quarter final is another one of your stupid comments. Cork are better than all teams in Ulster Bar Tyrone, there record since the introduction of the back door simply proves this, whether you like it or not! Samin10 Ulster has only been a competitive province since 2003 so your sudden rise to power does not suddenyl make Ulster all supreme and all conquering. Please take that northern chip off your shoulder. Whether things wash with you or not is your problem boyo'. And what bugs me is this northern agenda that Kerry win soft all irelands, this team has not recieved the credit it deserves but i have no doubt in the future when pig minded GAA fans have been long forgotten and ulster football had descended back into the doldrums where it was for so long, this great kerry team will get the credit they deserve. But hey one thing is for sure this team will never recieve the credit they deserve from idiots like you!!!!!!

Ciarrai Abu ;)


Again you have proved me right that you clearly know nothing, was Armagh not competitive when they took kerry to extra time in a replay in 2000, where they not competitive when they beat kerry in 2002, your arguement is so full of holes its unreal. Kerry can only meet Cork in a munster final, if they beat them they are into quarter final, if not they play some back door team usually handy to get into a quarter final. Where they cannot meet cork again untill semi final, so what if they play Cork in munster the result does not really matter other than for bragging rights. I can give this kerry plenty of credit no problem, they are the second best team this decade, thats credit (i know with your arrogant attitude thats you'se are simply the best and noone dare challenge that, that you will not accept that as credit but i have come to expect that of you). cork may or may not be better than the rest of ulster, untill they meet who knows. But knowing you if an ulster team beat them 3 times out of 3 you would probably still say cork are better.

samin10 (Armagh) - Posts: 2434 - 08/10/2008 13:13:24    115451

i have always said that kerry are right up there and are a fine team, its just when i say tyrone are better it seems to give alot of people the hump. Your point of how many times cork has beaten kerry is hardly the same thing considering the amount of times you'se have stuffed them this decade, if you'se had done this to tyrone then there would be no arguement. I take your point about Mayo and Galway but the simple fact is kerry are much better than them. Kerry are a fine team and i would never claim that they would not have won those all-irelands had they been playing in ulster, who knows the competitiveness of ulster could have made kerry even stronger, but you cannot deny they have an easier path to the final than any ulster or leinster team, thats not to say they could not do it the ulster way, its just stating a fact.

samin10 (Armagh) - Posts: 2434 - 08/10/2008 13:20:09    115457

Ciarrai Abu

your comment about corks record since the introduction of the back door further backs up my arguement, they get a bye also to the quarter final, at least if munster was not seeded and cork and kerry met in the first round for a change with one going out and into the back door then we would see how they would do having to play a number of competitive games, they may well do well but who knows? Did fermanagh and i think donegal not beat cork in qualifiers since 2003?

samin10 (Armagh) - Posts: 2434 - 08/10/2008 13:40:51    115483

Ciarrai abu

you say Corks record since the introduction of the back door system proves they are better than any other ulster team. Back door introduced in 2001.

Armagh 1 all-ireland
1 national league
5 ulster titles.
beaten in another all-ireland final 2003
beaten in 2005 by tyrone (eventual champions) in semi final by a point
2001 beaten by a point by galway (eventual champions) by a point

How does Corks record compare you clown? Go on admitt your wrong, you will feel better.

samin10 (Armagh) - Posts: 2434 - 08/10/2008 13:59:41    115506

Samin 10 u left out 2008 from that list, so i'll add it on for you :)

2008- WEXFORD (OR SHOULD I SAY MATTIE FORDE ON ONE LEG) BEAT ARMAGH lol

And again Samin10 u will find urself to be wrong and red in the face much like you were leaving croker for the past few years now, especially QF 2006 if my memory serves me correct. Ur claim of Ulster titles is irrelevant as incase you have failed to notice Cork do not contest the Ulster/rugby title!

Cork have reached 3 All Ireland Semi finals and 1 All Ireland final since the introduction and have lost to Kerry in 2004, 2006, 2007 and incase you failed to notice Kerry have gone on to win the All Ireland in all of those years. Now if it was not for Kerry's great teams through out the years Cork would have won substancially more all irelands that is plain for all to see and it is only idiots like you who have only been interested in football since your county's emergence form the doldrums over the last decade!

But hey Samin10 if you SOLITARY all ireland keeps you happy at night thats all that matters i suppose! But i am sure Cork's 6 All Irelands keeps them alot alot happier!

Good Night & Good Bye Thank You ;)

Ciarrai Abu

Ciarrai Abu (Overseas) - Posts: 1050 - 08/10/2008 14:51:59    115545

Gee , everyones getting really fiery here , in my opinion Tyrone & Kerry have been the top 2 teams & its very difficult to seperate them ...... , Kerry have been ultra consistent & have produced some of the outstanding displays of pure football skill this decade & in Colm Cooper have one of the most gifted players of all time perhaps , also Darragh OSe,Moynihan & many others have been outstanding for them.Tyrone have their stars aswell , I have never seen a better forward then Peter Canavan.But the one thing about Tyrone that really impresses is their resilience,their togetherness & they have the complete team in my opinion.Yes they have won All Irelands & not defended them but 2004 was a very difficult year for them.While whoever collects the most All Irelands in a decade can rightfully call themselves the best team of the decade in all honesty there is absolutely nothing to seperate these 2 , but I do feel Tyrone have been the best team Ive seen in the modern era.

In Hurling there has been little between Kileknny & Cork these last 10 years , in 5 championship games its 3-2 to Kilkenny , but when both teams were at their best there was very little to seperate them.Thats the way it is with Tyrone & Kerry

Illusionist (Cork) - Posts: 79 - 08/10/2008 16:38:17    115633

Ciarrai Abu and Green and Gold, you are truly ridiculous. Typical Kerry GAA fans it seems. Arrogant and always talking about Kerry's great history, amongst other things. No one wants to talk about Kerry's great record (35, 36 all irelands, we knowby now) No one outside Kerry seems to care anymore. We are talking about the present and this Kerry team are a bunch of ----- who, when things don't go their way, lie down and let their opponents run all over them. Someday you will have to face the fact that Kerry won relatively soft all irelands in 04, 06 and 07, and this is reflected by the poor standard of play in those years compared to when Tyrone won it in 03 05 and 08. There is no comparison between these years, Tyrone beat the best teams ( I know you will say Tyrone weren't there for Kerry to beat, but the fact Kerry can't beat Tyrone when they are there further underlines the point that Kerry's All irelands were soft) . I will repeat myself; how are Kerry better than Tyrone? Surely to be better than another team you should be able to beat them on at least one occasion out of 3, but maybe the Kingdom are again afforded special treatment as they seem to be for discinplinary matters aswell. Another point I'd like to make is Kerry have an easy run to the final. They are straight into a provincal final which means as we all know possibly one game from a 1/4 final. Even if an Ulster team, like Tyrone this year, get put out at the first stage (which the Munster final may aswell be for Kerry) they will still have to play a futher three games (next year 4) to get to the quarters. Kerry can prime themselves for early August, while Tyrone have to grind it out in Ulster or take the qualifier route. No wonder Kerry get to 5 finals in a row. If Kerry and Tyrone's positions were switched, Tyrone would have a lot more all irelands. And one more thing, any of the usual "Antrim are rubbish, what do you know?" nonsense will futher prove your ignorance towards other counties, as people from weaker counties can actuallly comment on football.

Saffron (Antrim) - Posts: 216 - 08/10/2008 17:21:24    115648

Ciarrai Abu
County: Overseas
Posts: 292

115545 Samin 10 u left out 2008 from that list, so i'll add it on for you :)

2008- WEXFORD (OR SHOULD I SAY MATTIE FORDE ON ONE LEG) BEAT ARMAGH lol

And again Samin10 u will find urself to be wrong and red in the face much like you were leaving croker for the past few years now, especially QF 2006 if my memory serves me correct. Ur claim of Ulster titles is irrelevant as incase you have failed to notice Cork do not contest the Ulster/rugby title!

Cork have reached 3 All Ireland Semi finals and 1 All Ireland final since the introduction and have lost to Kerry in 2004, 2006, 2007 and incase you failed to notice Kerry have gone on to win the All Ireland in all of those years. Now if it was not for Kerry's great teams through out the years Cork would have won substancially more all irelands that is plain for all to see and it is only idiots like you who have only been interested in football since your county's emergence form the doldrums over the last decade!

But hey Samin10 if you SOLITARY all ireland keeps you happy at night thats all that matters i suppose! But i am sure Cork's 6 All Irelands keeps them alot alot happier!

Good Night & Good Bye Thank You ;)

Ciarrai Abu


Its a true saying you have to be a fool to try and talk sense to a fool, so for my own sanity i will make this my last post to you. Hope your mummy has not put you to bed yet (as your arguement is clearly the work of a twelve year old). Again i will point out i have no problem with wexford beating us, they were better than us. I have no problem with kerry beating us in 2006, they were better than us. Why have you a problem admitting that tyrone are better than kerry after all they have beaten you'se three times out of three this decade (which is what the debate is about, team of the decade). You say what about 2008? What did Cork do so special? You said Cork have proved since the backdoor came in that they are better than any ulster team, if you meant they have proved they are better than any ulster team this year other than tyrone thats what you should have said and you may have had a case. But to say they have been better than Armagh since 2001 proves my case that you clearly know nothing about Gaelic football. If you really want to talk about 2008, well we have more silverware than kerry this year. We only lost one game in the championship this year compared to kerry two. we beat Down who beat Tyrone who beat Kerry. Do i think Armagh are better than Kerry No, but maybe you should think about what kerry achieved (or lack off) this year before you slag any other counties year off.

I agree with you that if it was not for kerry (mainly in the 70s) being so good Cork would without doubt have more all-irelands think it was early 70's (open to correction) that Cork were extremely strong and probably would have won more all-irelands had it not been for kerry. What this has to do with who has been the best team since 2000 is a mystery to me.

Your need to refer to what Kerry and Cork have done in the past and how many all-irelands kerry have won compared to our one or tyrones 3 makes it crystal clear to me that you are avoiding what the topic for discussion is really about (best team since 2000) as i have said it is pointless talking to a clown who does not even know what he is talking about or even what the topic of discussion is.

samin10 (Armagh) - Posts: 2434 - 08/10/2008 19:56:56    115720

Ciarrai Abu and Green and Gold, you are truly ridiculous. Typical Kerry GAA fans it seems. Arrogant and always talking about Kerry's great history, amongst other things.

That's a stretch Saffron - don't think I displayed any arrogance in any of my posts. Not intentionally anyway.

Great post illusionist. Good points, well put, without needing to resort to name-calling.

Green_N_Gold1 (Kerry) - Posts: 103 - 08/10/2008 20:37:28    115741

Green_n_gold

To be fair i think you have stuck to the topic of discussion and have made your points in a rational manner, and i think you seem to know what you are talking about, personally do not agree with your opinion but i understand why you feel the way you do. Ciarrai Abu, is a completely different story. A complete idiot.

samin10 (Armagh) - Posts: 2434 - 08/10/2008 20:57:05    115756

Sammin, are you aligning yourself with Ulsermans thoughts these days? I thought more of you. You were down here during the summer and can you seriously admit that you found us "Typically Arrogant" as you put it? You are letting yourself down by lowering yourself to the levels of the people who are trying to rise you. I think we have the right to defend ourselves against the likes of Ulsterman, the fool and all that he is. We will always defend our team.

We are not the "Team of the Decade!!!" who has failed to win back to back titles. We are not the "Team of the Decade!!!!" that has lost to Armagh 3 times, Lost to Mayo, Down, Laois, Drawn with Louth, Cavan & Dublin, lost to Meath, Derry & Donegal all in the space of 9 years.

We dont want to be that team of the decade. If you think this is good enough to be team of the decade then fine with me. I'll let you decide and have the last word. In any case here is no need here to go back trawling through history. I'm happy sitting here supporting a county that has arrogantly, how dare we, and how dare we boast, how dare we be proud on our own site, won 4 and contested 7 of the last 9 finals. Yeah we deservedly lost to one team three times but going on that reckoning Armagh are a better team this decade than Tyrone are, seeing as they were beaten by armagh 3 times. Are you suggesting that we would have been considered the greater team if we had lost to Roscommon, Mayo and Monaghan in the qualifiers in 03,05 & 08 and Tyrone then didnt get a chance to beat Kerry? Thus winning 4 all irelands, 1 more than Tyrone? Sounds like that is what you are arguing. Consistency is what makes us tick down here. We just want to be involved every year. That is what we consider success.

You may also find that Kerry people will react when the likes of ULSTERMAAAAAN comes on shouting and calls us Cynical, Excuse making, immature, mammy crying, moaning teenagers and then he gets backed up by yourself and others. We've no problem with constuctive criticism but its very easy to spot the people who come on here Kerrybashing and take some sort of satisfaction in kicking us while we're down. Commiserations were few and far between on here after the final from other posters. We are on our own and we will come out kicking if we are risen.

Yes we were sore. We will always sore after losing an All Ireland final. And we're sore after being beaten by the same county 3 times but that's fine. We all sincerely congratulated Tyrone on a deserved win. We'll be back stronger than ever next year with by far the youngest team in the country (and that includes Darragh if he is still on the team)!!! County championship last 16 match last week with over 6000 fans at it when Mid Kerry trounced the much fancied Dr Crokes and on the same day elsewhere Kenmare beat Austin Stacks. That is strength in depth. Dont think we're going anywhere for a long time yet. We are back. Already!!!
And I dont care how that comes across, arrogant or not.

As for Tyrone next year maybe we wont get a chance to beat them. Yourselves and Laois will probably do that for us. Maybe we'll get knocked out ourselves. We're able to handle that just as well as any other county but we dont take kindly to malintensioned critics.

thykingdomcome (Kerry) - Posts: 1206 - 08/10/2008 21:48:06    115788

Samin & Green n Gold have made some great points , & the most important thing is everyone needs to recognise these as 2 of the best football sides this decade.Like I said theres nothing between them & thats the way people should view it , they have been head & shoulders above everyone else , with Galway & Armagh being the next of the best.Im afraid my own county would proably only make the top 6 but thats ok they are getting better, I know some Kerry people & they are actually really humble , & they were the first to admit that Tyrone deserved their win in September , that was great to hear.While there are no doubts about Kilkenny being the top Hurling side this decade with Cork in at No 2 & Waterford at 3 , the football would be about a draw as both these teams have been immense.Kerry to maybe finish off the decade with the most titles,Tyrone to perhaps have that sweet record of beating the Aristocrats of the game every year theyve won the Big One.Everyone should just appreciate that these are 2 of the very best with 2 great managers to boost.Here is to 2009.

Illusionist (Cork) - Posts: 79 - 09/10/2008 00:04:38    115875

Illusionist
County: Cork
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I agree with most of your excellent post except '2 great managers'?. One great manager.

Real Kerry Fan (None) - Posts: 2957 - 09/10/2008 10:11:23    115979