Im a Meath man and looking in from the outside it looks like Kerry have the players but not the new innovative manager. Micko changed Kerry football and it looks like it needs to be done again but Kerry people dont seem to want to accept that they have to change their style if they want to progress with the game...

Frank_Ennis (Meath) - Posts: 58 - 02/10/2008 18:53:27    112896

We will never be dragged into the Doldrums of Puke Football !

Ciarrai Abu (Overseas) - Posts: 1050 - 03/10/2008 12:08:18    113245

Realax. All will be ok after the month's mind on 19th October.

Real Kerry Fan (None) - Posts: 2957 - 03/10/2008 12:37:31    113266

Looks like Kerry is still hurting, in a state of shock or the poster suggests, in denial. What a load of hogwash about Kerry NOT being dragged into 'puke football' Kerry have been the MOST cynical county this past decade. They target the most dangerous opposing player and each Kerry team member then takes a dig at him. Take your defeats like men and not surly, moaning, immature teenagers you have become. EXCUSES EXCUSES EXCUSES. Face it Tyrone are THE team of the decade because they have owned Kerry for most of it playing excellent exciting football. Get over yourselves and stop annoying the rest of us with the constant crying for yer mammies because big bad Ulster beat you.

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9838 - 04/10/2008 23:38:21    113815

lol oh ulsterman ur fickle judgement of football is obviously a reflection of your own county's inability to compete in either the hurling or football codes! Incase u have forgotten my old friend up north Kerry are still and always will be the most successfull county in Eire :) Now please put that one in your small shallow pipe and smoke it lol Oh how it joys me that northern folk are so jealous of Kerry lol Ahh well lads only another 33 All Irelands to go.

P.S. Ulsterman please learn to count, tema of the decade is judged purely on accolades! (Kerry = 4 All Irelands. Ulster, oh i mean tyrone 3 ;)

Ciarrai Abu (Overseas) - Posts: 1050 - 05/10/2008 14:20:01    113876

Ciarrai Abu

As an Antrim man I am well aware of the deficiencies and failings within my own county that prevents Antrim competing at the top level. Power struggles, club in fighting, city v rural county, big headed players who think being selected for the county is enough of a status symbol, North Antrim v South Antrim and many other reasons. I will NOT labour the point but sectarian strife over the last 40 years took a great toll in Belfast. Yes, other Ulster counties also suffered but the geography and lay out of Belfast made many afraid to openly play the games for fear of attack or worse. On a different note the club sadly seems to take priority in Antrim and to be honest most players will slog their guts out for the club but not the county. It is something we are trying to change but will take time. The fact that Antrim have had finalists in both All Ireland Football & Hurling Club finals in recent times shows that there IS talent in Antrim and the county suffers because most players put ALL their efforts into the Club championships and leagues. The fact that Antrim aren't competing for SAM & LIAM every year shouldn't prevent me from commenting on other GAA issues, games , standards and players etc. If that was the case ONLY Kerry and Tyrone fans would be allowed to say anything about football. I was NOT trained by Richard Corrigan or Gordon Ramsey so does that prevent me from saying anything about food?
I don't need any history lessons about Kerry; they are THE yardstick and connoisseurs of football, the masters we all looked up to for years in awe. NO ONE in Ulster would deny that BUT that also doesn't mean we have to bow down, lie prostrate and worship at Kerry's altar for evermore. The biggest compliment the Kingdom should take is that so many teams want to beat them. What seems to annoy Kerry folk is that others have actually dared to beat them, especially the Ulster upstarts. It is not going down well in the South and all sorts of excuses are being wheeled out to explain it. THAT is what riles many of us, Kerry have NO right to win, expectation YES but NO absolute right. As I said if you took your defeats with a bit of grace and humility you might get these back from others. Kerry have won 4 this decade and Tyrone 3 and numerically Kerry are the most successful BUT there are lies, damned lies and statistics. Try telling the Kerry players they are the best this decade and they will give you the honest answer; players and ex-players are the most honest and the fact is that MOST players and ex-players on the island have gave their opinion that Tyrone are the TOP team of the decade. They have taken on and beaten their rivals 3 times. It is NO longer an arguement!

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9838 - 05/10/2008 22:31:03    113956

ulsterman what a shallow stupid message , offaly beat us going for 5 in a row we took it on the chin , they have never contested one since ,down beat us also where are they today . my friend we are the rolls royce of football ,congrats to tyrone they have3 but regards the big piture they have a long way to go from a mini cooper to a rolls . as for ye lot yere still honda 50s

kerryblue (Kerry) - Posts: 239 - 05/10/2008 22:49:53    113959

Try telling the Kerry players they are the best this decade and they will give you the honest answer; players and ex-players are the most honest and the fact is that MOST players and ex-players on the island have gave their opinion that Tyrone are the TOP team of the decade: Ulsterman
County: Antrim
Posts: 85

Nice to know that you have been talking to all the Kerry players and they have give their exclusive views to you.

Real Kerry Fan (None) - Posts: 2957 - 06/10/2008 10:05:12    114024

Ulsterman you have to be the biggest idiot ever to post on a website. Get this through your feeble mind. Ulster didn't beat us. Tyrone beat us. The count this decade is
Kerry 4
Tyrone 3
Galway 1
Armagh 1.

To claim to be the team of the decade first Tyrone must draw level with us and then the head to head can be thrown into the mix. You are the one coming on to Kerry's page constantly berating them so who is annoying who. Not get off our page you annoying pathetic individual.

Kingdom Come (None) - Posts: 264 - 06/10/2008 10:16:55    114034

I agree with lots of what Ulsterman says and also with lots of the Kerry replies, both correct in many ways but let's get one thing clear: Kerry are the only team with a mini-cooper, but what an engine he has......

shoulderghost (Limerick) - Posts: 863 - 06/10/2008 14:20:08    114266

Lads lads lads, kerry are great, tyrone this decade are just better. I have no gripe with Kerry and i am certainly no big fan of tyrone but the facts speak for themselves. Tyrone have beaten kerry every year they have won the all-ireland, kerry have beaten tyrone none this decade. When you take into consideration the fact that basically any time tyrone have had a fully fit panel since 2003 they have won the all-ireland and the fact it is 3-0 to tyrone in head to heads it is clear who have been the better team this decade. Was it not bomber liston who said after the semi-finals were decided that this final would decide who really is the best this decade and that the kerry boys would really want to beat tyrone to prove it to themselves that the last couple of all-irelands were not handy ones because they did not meet tyrone? Dont move the goal posts after you'se lose the arguement. It was set up by players, fans and media alike that this game was to prove who really was the best, dont moan about it or start counting all-irelandswhen you'se have already lost the arguement. It was almost like the old toss of a coin scenario. Heads or tails? Kerry man, Heads. Toss. Sorry tails. Kerryman, best of three? You'se lost, get over it.

samin10 (Armagh) - Posts: 2434 - 06/10/2008 15:58:21    114357

Samin 10 plz take your stupid childish arguement back up north !

Ciarrai Abu (Overseas) - Posts: 1050 - 06/10/2008 21:34:59    114546

Tyrone have beaten Kerry 3 times in this decade in championship football, Kerry have not beaten Tyrone. To say Kerry are better than Tyrone is ridiculous. You can count all-Irelands all you like but when it comes down to it, Tyrone will be remembered as the better team. When was anyone in history ever remembered as the better team having failed to defeat their main rivals on 3 differents occasions?

Saffron (Antrim) - Posts: 216 - 06/10/2008 21:52:20    114551

I have noticed that MANY Kerry posters resort to personal abuse if SOMEONE/ANYONE dares to question the Kingdom's abilities or pampered position. Usually this means they have lost the arguement, know they have lost the arguement and are firing off a lot of tears and anger in frustration. Ridicule is the FIRST bastion of the desperate and it obviously shows on here but hey listen Kerry football folk you should know by now that your cynicism, bullying and rants DOESN'T wash with Ulster people. Tyrone, Derry, Armagh and Monaghan have all taken this nonsense and thrown it back at you with interest so stop wasting your time and energy firing off curses. I can picture Ciarrai Abu, Kingdomcome and others throwing Paul Galvin type tantrums and kicking their wee legs in the air as they bounce off the 4 walls in rage. Most amusing!
Back to football, Sam10 is correct. Before the final the talk was ALL that the match would settle the TEAM OF THE DECADE debate. Distinguished former Kerry players said it in their paper columns and on air. Many Kerry posters said it here and on other Kerry GAA sites. When Tyrone beat them they all rolled back and played their usual moaning game. NO, we have more titles so we are the best team. NAW, the debate has been settled and Tyrone has taken over the mantle as the MAIN GAA football county in Ireland. Kerry has the history but Tyrone has the wins and SAM's. 3 - 0 to the Red Hand men. It's yesterday's story, get over it and while you are at it grab yourselves some humility and manners. ARGUEMENT OVER..............NEXT!

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9838 - 06/10/2008 23:49:20    114590

I think you'll find Ulsterman that there is no evidence on this site of Kerry people claiming to be the team of the decade. I would also suggest that the former Kerry players who wrote in the media called this the game to cement the status of the current Kerry team as one of the greatest ever Kerry teams. Though you'll dismiss it as living in the past (and I'm sure Samin10 will join in), the reality for Kerry is that they are competing with their own history. The team-of-the-decade idea was never a Kerry-led nonsense and it's being perpetuated by folks who insist ad nauseum that Tyrone are the team-of-the-decade rather than any Kerry person insisting that we are the team-of-the-decade. If ye're so sure that Tyrone have claimed that particular title, why are ye bothered coming on to the Kerry page labouring the point? Go on away to the Tyrone page and bow down, lie prostrate and worship at their altar for evermore . Tyrone deserved their win and yes, Kerry will be eager to beat them next year. And we're analysing where we went wrong on the day, as we are entitled to do. You should take another look at your comments on this thread and then cop on to yourself. What you are criticizing is all in your imagination.

Green_N_Gold1 (Kerry) - Posts: 103 - 07/10/2008 00:37:32    114604

ulsterman , we have i repeat no problem accepting tyrone have our no , but you know what the truth is good teams come and go i.e down in the 60s armagh 02 tyrone03 05 08 but we are the kindgom boys and weve been around forever . no why dont you be a good little boy and rack that little brain of yours and answer that

kerryblue (Kerry) - Posts: 239 - 07/10/2008 01:31:40    114610

green-n-gold

i think if you read a few of the kerry supporters posts you will find plenty of evidence of claiming to be team of the decade.

samin10 (Armagh) - Posts: 2434 - 07/10/2008 10:03:18    114690

Some very negative stuff here from the Kerry lads. I thought you were supposed to be gracious losers? This is a great Kerry team and probably the greatest ever Kerry team. (I don't appreciate Kerrys cynical fowling and diving but there are many quality footballers when they decide to play football) The 80s Kery team could not have lived with the Kerry of today - end of.

Its just that without dispute they are 2nd best to Tyrone currently and have been this for all of this century (you don't want to use the term decade) so far. And that with Kerry getting a bye to the all-Ireland quarter finals every year is quite an achievement. The century is short however and Kerry will be back in the next few years to try and contest that statistic. What is also clear however that Tyrone with 9 All-Irelands [Senior|Minor|U21] in the last 10 years (ignoring all the Vocationals, Hogans etc) will be back contesting themselves.

Welcome to the new century guys and roll on 2009!

John Boss (Tyrone) - Posts: 865 - 07/10/2008 17:55:20    115090

G & G / Kerryblue

It's not me labouring the point, I am only adding comments to threads from other posters. If you cannot see the hypocrisy from some Kingdom posters then you cannot see the wood for the trees. There was volumes of comment on HS and other Kerry sites that his ALL IRELAND was the battle of the decade AND the bragging rights for TEAM OF THE DECADE. I accept that Kerry have the numerical advantage of 4 over Tyrone's 3 but Tyrone beat them 3 times. That takes nothing away from Kerry's wins but even Kerry's TOP names were saying that they HAD to take Tyrone this year. I even recall one Kingdom poster stating Kerry's history depended on this match, even I didn't go that far as that would be totally ridiculous. The Southern papers were blasting out 'TEAM OF THE DECADE MATCH' headlines etc etc and you will find that this is where most of the talk was coming from pre-match. So confident were many Southern GAA commentators and journalists of a Kerry win that they published this nonsense. It blew up in their faces and that's why there has been sour grapes and rolling back from this. It's also why they have desperately tried to give excuses and cover for Tyrone's win. YES Kerry will be back next year as they always are, that's what makes them GREAT but please just accept that in this era another team got the better of them. Another cycle will come and go and Kerry will reign again, just give over the moaning.

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9838 - 07/10/2008 18:15:00    115103

The problem Ulsterman, is that I don't see where this "moaning" is. Give me specific examples of posters here moaning or "constant crying for their mammies because big bad Ulster beat them". To be fair - I would say that 99% of Kerry posters on this site congratulated and complimented Tyrone on their win. In fact you'd have to say that they are one of the greater footballing sides - 3 in one decade is fantastic. But why the need to belittle Kerry and it's supporters in praising Tyrone? Is it really so outrageous that Kerry supporters still have pride in their team despite losing the A.I. final, given that we have contested the last 5? Is it far-fetched to retain a belief in our style of play, contrary to Frank-Ennis' suggestion that we have to change, given that there was nothing between the 2 teams until the last 5 minutes? Is it the fact that Kerry posters are speculating that if the bench was used differently or if our manager was more proactive that we might have won that's bothering you? Is that what you consider to be "moaning" and "sour grapes"? Do you view that as a manifestation of 'annoyance that another team beat us'? Are you for real? Surely we are entitled to question what might have been and for God's sake, of course it hurts to lose. But that is not synonymous with a lack of grace and humility. What exactly is it that you want Kerry posters to say? If Tyrone defend their title next year, then without doubt, they will have been the better team. But until they do, in my view, the teams are equal. Certainly, it's Tyrone 3, Kerry 0. But Kerry have been far more consistent in reaching finals (and yes, I'm aware of Tyrone's reasons in 2004 and 2006) and in not losing to such a variety of teams as Tyrone has over past number of years. So it comes down to 2009 and we'll see what happens.

Green_N_Gold1 (Kerry) - Posts: 103 - 07/10/2008 20:55:06    115161