Replying To Viking66:  "If you have a bigger pick you will generally have more skilful players, just by law of averages. And likewise you will have more skilful players who work really hard, which is a different type of player to a skilful one, or one that just works hard. A rarer player.
Same with clubs, with the odd exception that proves the rule."

Replying To Seniorleague:  "No i dont understand tbh.
For a start id question whether they did make similar sacrifices and work just as hard. I don't doubt that their commitment is admirable but their inferior skill and fitness levels compared to their McCarthy counterparts would indicate that they don't work just as hard.

And as much as im sure they value their medal,im pretty sure they'd swap it for an all ireland medal if given the chance. Do you honestly believe otherwise?

Its crazy to think that if Henry Shefflin was born a few miles down the road in Laois or wherever that a Joe McDonagh medal would have been the pinnacle of his career."

Replying To Tadhg2020:  "Come on. Its the Munster and AI championship you are talking about not some pub tournament
Treat it with respect."

Replying To Viking66:  "Im saying the reason they arent as successful, and are in the Joe Mac rather than the Liam McCarthy, is because they have a smaller pick of hurlers overall, and therefore generally a smaller pick of exceptional hurlers. Probably all the Joe Mac teams have some players who would likely make most of the Liam McCarthy teams, they just dont have enough of them at the same time for the team to be competitive in the Liam McCarthy.
For example Kildare just got relegated. In near enough all their games they were competitive in the first half. But because they have a smaller pick, and then had a couple of injuries, there was quite a big difference in standard between their top ten lads, then the next 5, and then a bigger drop in ability/athletic development to their next 5. So when it got to the 40 minute mark when teams start bringing on subs, their team got weaker relative to their opponents. And thats a large part of the reason they will be playing in the Joe Mac next year. Lads like Simon Leacy and Cian Boran would probably be good enough to start for most of the Liam McCarthy teams.
You were arguing that their players werent as skilful or hardworking, which I think is a pretty insulting generalisation not backed up by anything Ive seen or noticed in many years watching games of hurling.
Now you are trying to shift the goalposts slightly by saying the teams arent as skilful or hardworking.....
Just to remind you what you said, because you seem to have forgotten-
"For a start id question whether they did make similar sacrifices and work just as hard. I don't doubt that their commitment is admirable but their inferior skill and fitness levels compared to their McCarthy counterparts would indicate that they don't work just as hard."

That in answer to a knowledgeable poster that said a PLAYER at that or any other level would value what he might win just the same, and work just as hard to achieve. To remind you what he posted that you replied to with that condescending nonsense in quotations above-

"For gods sake, they dont have a McCarthy medal. They won the all ireland that they could and they value it accordingly. Its the pinnacle of their career. They were never going to win a McCarthy and knew that from day one in an intercounty set up. Therefore they value it in the same way as someone values a McCarthy medal that actually won one. Why? Because it is their All Ireland and they worked just as hard and made similar sacrifices to achieve their medal. Do you understand now?
On the other matter, thankfully it doesnt really matter what you believe or i for that matter. Its not allowed and I agree with that."

Hope that clears it up for you"