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Genuine question about Cork here but how many times of 'collapsing' would it take for people's views of them to change? ColmFlaherty (Galway) - Posts: 214 - 23/07/2026 10:29:48 2686705 Link 0 |
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Why is the limerick thread about Cork?
Tadhg2020 (Limerick) - Posts: 760 - 23/07/2026 12:04:00 2686723 Link 0 |
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As long as I can remember Cork have always had fast and unbelievably talented and skillful forwards. This will win you a lot of matches and allow you to compete with most teams on any given day. I always fell like Cork will always be in with a shout of beating anyone on any given day and I don't believe the same can be said about many other counties. Where they have fallen down in recent years in my opinion is that they have still failed to find a top class full back. Cormac Joyce looked like their best option but he got injured in the first round robin game and is out for the foreseeable future. If he comes back they are very likely contenders again LimerickandProud (Limerick) - Posts: 296 - 23/07/2026 12:34:40 2686735 Link 0 |
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Ask the person who first brought it up in here.
ColmFlaherty (Galway) - Posts: 214 - 23/07/2026 13:36:43 2686759 Link 0 |
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They certainly are always up their nearly every year, however I'm thinking if we get to let's say 2030 and they still haven't won Liam whilst maybe us, Clare and Tipp perhaps have had some success. Would they still be regarded in the top 2 of the country.
ColmFlaherty (Galway) - Posts: 214 - 23/07/2026 13:39:17 2686762 Link 0 |
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wont name names but as regards some of the cork players (mostly forwards). when cork are in their rhythym and are finding the going easy and plenty room around the pitch certain cork players will make a 5 point lead 10 12 14. scoring for fun. but when cork are in a hole and need players to stand up they dissapear. munsterchamps (Limerick) - Posts: 1171 - 23/07/2026 13:49:43 2686769 Link 0 |
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I dont think the lost their last two run outs in Croke Park because they were missing a FB Talent wise, skill wise, they are as good as anybody and better than most. They are capable of running up a big score against any team if things go their way (v Dublin in semi last year, v Offaly in QF, v Clare in round robin, v Tipp in last years League Final And they have shown plenty of fight in must win games. I dont know if the problem is coaching or preparation but in two big games now, opposition has gotten a run going and they have collapsed Incapable of adjusting to what the opposition is doing and changing the terms of engagement. Passive All that said, they have shown more than anybody they can beat Limerick, they have a lot of talent coming through, and their management team will have learned a lot from this season After Limerick favourites for the AI Ahead of Galway but just maybe. Galaway have the players and the managment to win Clare are probably looking a little bit of rebuilding and maybe need a couple of years to bed in new players Tipp a big unknown - but are capable of winning it again Kilkenny will improve - they have to - but hard to imagine them contending for the AI Waterfords younger players will improve them, but their goal is to qualify for the AI Dublin will improve but hard to see them making a huge step up to being AI contenders The big question for Limerick is does Kiely double down on the same 20 players or does he try to blood 2-3 newer players. O Brien, English, O Neill, O Connor have been coming for 2-4 years now and have arrived But who is coming behind them? Matthew Fitzgerald was outstanding in the League but then disappeared. Kiely has never really trusted Colin Coughlan, and the only others to get game time in Championship were Ethan Hurley, Fintan Fitgerakl and Hugh Flanagan (I think) but minimal amount of time Kielys MO is to gradually, over several seasons, blood newcomers and I dont see any newcomers in the squad with a profile of being ready to start a big game. So assuming no retirements it'll be the same again next year. Which might be fine for another year but does he plan for longer term by more aggressively blooding newcomers or go with the tried and trusted. Yadse (Limerick) - Posts: 287 - 23/07/2026 14:13:06 2686774 Link 0 |
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That is tough one. We have some generational players who have consistently proven that they can cut the mustard when it counts and it is hard to change from them. The current management have taken lots of opportunities to bring very young lads on the panel to build experience and future reference points and not putting them in until they were ready. For instance Adam English, Cathal O'Neill and Aidan O'Connor are all on the for a number of years. While Cathal and Adam were deemed ready to start in 2023. Aidan O'Connor was not really considered ready until last year. There a lot of young fellas on the extended panel and with a bit of experience will start pushing the current team. The age profile of numbers 26 to 37 on the panel has dropped significantly over the last few years and lots of decent older players who failed to make the breakthrough to the team like for example Conor Boylan, Michael Houlihan, Jason Gillane and Oisin O'Reilly have been replaced with younger guys like Fionn O'Brien, Fintan Fitzgerald, Ethan Hurley, Mathew Fitzgerald, Dara Ferland and Hugh Flanagan who have buckets of potential if they can be nurtured the same way as Cathal O'Neill and Adam English Colin Coughlan is one of the club wing backs in Ireland at present. The trouble for him is that Diarmuid Byrnes and Kyle Hayes might be two of the best wing backs ever to play the game and perhaps he might have to wait a little longer for his chance. LimerickandProud (Limerick) - Posts: 296 - 23/07/2026 16:57:04 2686812 Link 0 |
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What a year for Limerick, won every trophy there was available and completed a first Senior and Minor double since 1940. Sliothar73 (Limerick) - Posts: 27 - 24/07/2026 21:24:36 2686972 Link 0 |
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Brilliant year and great to see the lads back winning all ireland . County championships coming up and kiely / kinnerk will be scouting for improvement in players that can contribute more to the core group for next year. League time id expect a better testing of our strength of depth in squad .this year was a real mission for the team and I think pressure to an extent will be off in some ways. Will anyone retire?, hard to know but I think most will stay and return for next year ,they are enjoying playing and winning too.already looking forward to it. Luimneach abu Knockfiarna (Limerick) - Posts: 26 - 26/07/2026 23:57:41 2687389 Link 0 |
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Well done to Colin Ryan on the Poc fada Southsham (Limerick) - Posts: 760 - 04/08/2026 12:40:09 2688628 Link 0 |
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early days but Kilmallock have made some start to the Championship Yadse (Limerick) - Posts: 287 - 07/08/2026 14:44:50 2688981 Link 0 |
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These were 2 huge results for killmallock..I agree they look like a very balanced team with some young fellas blending in very well with established names..another win almost guarantees knock out hurling for them.. CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 2714 - 07/08/2026 16:53:34 2689004 Link 0 |
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I think its very simple given JKs track record. Its not easy to get a hand on a jersey, get on the extended panel, get on the match day panel and ultimately start. You have to prove you are ready on the training ground, there is very few handouts to gain some game experience. JKs methods mean if you get a chance you have to take it and sets standards very high. Show you are ready on the training field and you get your shot, then its up to you to take it. Retirements in the coming years could effect these methods. Coughlan has it particularly tough in that he is trying to dislodge two of possibly the greatest half backs of all time. The challenge is more laid down to the players themselves rather than Kiely. Fitzy01 (Limerick) - Posts: 504 - 17/08/2026 11:23:27 2690158 Link 0 |
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I still think that this year the emphasis was on getting the starting 15 and next 5 right and not on bringing on younger players with the future in mind The "new" starters were not really new, all had been knocking on the door but just hadnt nailed down a starting spot There are a few younger players in the squad with promise but apart from Coughlan its hard to identify a single player that has the profile of a Shane O Brien, Aidan O Connor, Cathal O Neill: a young talent, with enough big game experience off the bench that they could be trusted to start you see some coaches throwing in young lads straight from U20 into big Championship games with minimal experience (this year you saw Stritch from Clare, and Walsh from Cork). Kiely doesn't do that Not criticizing him for that - its his MO, and its all about the collective and it works but I think other coaches are more inclined to see an individual talent, even one a bit rough around the edges, and throw them in and see what happens. Not Kiely or Kinnerk. I dont think there will be retirements, but you could easily see 1 or 2 older players slip a little and struggle to retain a starting spot. But not having 2 or 3 obvious replacements ready to step up could be a factor in the coming year. This year that freshness of the newcomers was critical, next year where will that come from? Yadse (Limerick) - Posts: 287 - 18/08/2026 13:58:00 2690312 Link 0 |
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The newcomers this year will still only be young fellas next year. Personally Im not sure Colin Coughlan will make a long term Senior starter for you, but I could be wrong. Lads like Hugh Flanagan and Ethan Hurley are good prospects. Donnacha o'Dalaigh is maybe closer to Senior level already. Ive no doubt you will be competitive even when most of the 2015 and 2018 u21 winning teams have retired. Thats not going to be for a few years yet. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 20516 - 18/08/2026 16:59:44 2690356 Link 0 |
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In my view the problem with Donnacha is that he cant seem to win his own ball or make it stick. If you get him the ball in hand on the run he is lethal but if he can't make the dirty (or less than perfect) ball stick he won't make it at senior intercounty level. I have seen a lot of Limerick club championship hurling so far this year and I have to say I think we have some great young players coming though the clubs who can win their own ball (even on hard pitches with funny bounces) and take a score and for this reason I think Donnacha O'Dalaigh days at senior could be numbered LimerickandProud (Limerick) - Posts: 296 - 19/08/2026 13:31:25 2690438 Link 0 |
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For next year I wonder will we see alot more of Hego in the F Forward line? Southsham (Limerick) - Posts: 760 - 19/08/2026 14:26:59 2690449 Link 0 |
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If Coughlan is going to make it it will be at 3.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 20516 - 19/08/2026 14:57:23 2690461 Link 0 |
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I know I'm an outsider but if I were to see Coughlan to be a new starter for Hayes to half forward I'd imagine then that one of Lynch/Morrisey/Hegarty/DOD will have very reduced minutes or retired as there'd be too much choice.
ColmFlaherty (Galway) - Posts: 214 - 19/08/2026 15:48:19 2690471 Link 0 |