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Replying To countyman2022: "That is not a good sign. At all." I don't think it was that different to past years though, 3 or 4 starting is the usual number of U16s starting
ElGranSenor (Wexford) - Posts: 1382 - 05/06/2026 18:49:32
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Replying To Doylerwex: "We were at that tournament and won all of our games fairly handy." Going back to Wexford clubs struggling at U12s its worth nothing St.Martin compete in Division 2 albeit top of that Division, Glynn Barntown, Harriers and Oulart are currently the bottom 3 teams Division 1.
So as previously mentioned I would not take any notice of any results at any U10,11,12 Tournaments.
Paull (Wexford) - Posts: 289 - 05/06/2026 18:59:03
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Replying To Pikeman96: "Absolutely no criticism or disrespect of yourself here, so please don't take it that way, but I think you've just illustrated one of the inherent difficulties with calls that "County Board should do more with the clubs" or "County Board should run more "Coach the Coaches" sessions".
If a club coach's vision for how to coach his team doesn't tally with the county coach's one, then these courses achieve little or nothing. The club person at a course is thinking "that's no use to me", or even decides against attending at all - "sure what would they be able to teach me?"
Am not saying who's right or wrong, and of course, there's no "one size fits all" approach to coaching anyway, even within one age group. Just saying it's one of the difficulties with the whole thing." No offence taken i ve been to some great coaching sessions and learned from some great coaches not all from former greats or hurlers for that matter either and not all games orientated and was always willing to learn. I just felt like some small minority talk down to you in a condescending way .
I think a major flaw is coaches attend these courses to add a badge to their coaching ticket but dont learn .
I ve gone to many and thought they were good its converting them to ur teams ability is the hard part .
Don't think I go after co board its thankless and sometimes frustrating job . I would have my gripes and my complaints but I keep them to myself and deal with them in a proper fashion .
I was just trying to let storeytash know the hoops he ll have to jump through before he can start his journey as a coach dont lose heart snd u will grt ur oppurtunity to put your owncstamp on it . But his father seems to be gaa orientated so wont be all a surprise.
Formertownie (Wexford) - Posts: 614 - 05/06/2026 19:39:11
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Replying To countyman2022: "That is not a good sign. At all." It was deliberate policy. We had 42 in our minor squad. Alot of people felt that by continually calling up younger lads as we used to was actually hampering development of a decent larger pool of players which would stand to ys as those lads got older and progressed to u20 and adult.
Lads who didnt make the 24 got to play Celtic Challenge. This was the same policy as Clare and Tipp had this year, except both of them had A and B Celtic Challenge teams while we only had one. Our Celtic Challenge team only lost to Tipps Blue (A) team by 2 points in the top tier QF. Tipp Blue beat Clare blue, Clares A team, by 18 points in the SF. They are playing Kilkenny in the final tomorrow. Just for reference Clare blue beat Dublins Celtic Challenge team by 16 points.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 19983 - 05/06/2026 21:19:15
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Replying To Doylerwex: "We don't always see eye to eye, but I promise you that I personally am doing everything I can." I know, I can tell by the posts that you are involved at the coal face.
StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 2102 - 05/06/2026 22:13:21
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Replying To Pikeman96: "Fair play to you.
But just to point there's nothing to stop from you getting involved in coaching the minute you move home either, even if you start playing yourself again.
Plenty of current players in my own club help out with underage coaching at various levels. And as Michael Duignan might say, "what makes you think they've got more time than you do?" ;)" Good for them. Once I get house / job /etc sorted I might but between those two and playing I doubt it will be straight away anyway.
StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 2102 - 05/06/2026 22:16:05
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Is Tom Mullally involved with the Anne's this year?
ElGranSenor (Wexford) - Posts: 1382 - 06/06/2026 11:46:58
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Replying To StoreysTash: "Good for them. Once I get house / job /etc sorted I might but between those two and playing I doubt it will be straight away anyway." What industry are you in?
Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 4559 - 06/06/2026 12:19:41
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Heard Spratt saying on the football commentary Liam Dunne has put his name in the ring for the U20 job. Not sure how id feel about that same as if Davy comes back to manage the seniors
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Just want to make sure I have Tom Mullally's record right….
Coached the Wexford Seniors under Bonnar (Scallan as selector)
Coached the Wexford Minors (Under Scallan) in 2016?
Now involved with the Anne's?
Managed Fethard
Managed Rathnure to the 2011 County Final
Won the 2014 County Final with Shels
Managed the Wexford U21s in 2017 and 2018
Won county titles in KK with Clara in 2013 and 2015
Won multiple county titles with MLR and won Leinster with them in 2013
Won multiple county titles with Naas
Manager Carlow for a long time, got them promoted
Might have coached Wicklow when Scallan was over them
Might have been involved with the Carlow Minors at at some stage around 2020
ElGranSenor (Wexford) - Posts: 1382 - 06/06/2026 16:51:32
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Replying To Afinestick96: "Heard Spratt saying on the football commentary Liam Dunne has put his name in the ring for the U20 job. Not sure how id feel about that same as if Davy comes back to manage the seniors" Is Joyce stepping down or was it up for decision anyway?
ElGranSenor (Wexford) - Posts: 1382 - 06/06/2026 17:24:20
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Replying To ElGranSenor: "Is Tom Mullally involved with the Anne's this year?" Yes
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 19983 - 07/06/2026 08:57:06
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Replying To ElGranSenor: "Just want to make sure I have Tom Mullally's record right….
Coached the Wexford Seniors under Bonnar (Scallan as selector)
Coached the Wexford Minors (Under Scallan) in 2016?
Now involved with the Anne's?
Managed Fethard
Managed Rathnure to the 2011 County Final
Won the 2014 County Final with Shels
Managed the Wexford U21s in 2017 and 2018
Won county titles in KK with Clara in 2013 and 2015
Won multiple county titles with MLR and won Leinster with them in 2013
Won multiple county titles with Naas
Manager Carlow for a long time, got them promoted
Might have coached Wicklow when Scallan was over them
Might have been involved with the Carlow Minors at at some stage around 2020" He managed Horeswood to the Junior hurling title too.
And he won Leinster Intermediate with Naas, bringing them up to Senior.
He got to an AI Senior club final with MLR, who were then very unlucky that their captain James Hickey got injured before that final.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 19983 - 07/06/2026 09:01:15
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Replying To Viking66: "He managed Horeswood to the Junior hurling title too.
And he won Leinster Intermediate with Naas, bringing them up to Senior.
He got to an AI Senior club final with MLR, who were then very unlucky that their captain James Hickey got injured before that final." Sorry that should read the AI Intermediate club hurling title with Naas
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 19983 - 07/06/2026 21:16:18
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Watching the Munster Final yesterday and it struck me just how few times either team had a pop at the posts from a long way out in open play, seemed to prefer hitting the diagonal ball into the full-forward line even when they were in space around the halfway line
I suppose that in comparison, we shoot a lot more often from those positions, you'd think that if Cork and Limerick are the two best teams in the country and they're passing rather than shooting from those areas, we're doing it wrong if we're shooting rather than passing (If you're in a position to shoot, you're in a position to pass and the forwards are in there to score, backs are picked for reasons other than scoring)
Also quite clear that we had no plan in possession when teams pushed up against us, played decently at times when afforded time and space and made some nice moves (Carlow and Kildare in the league, first half against Offaly and Galway in the Championship) but when the intensity upped, we just resorted to going long, didn't even try to be brave and work it out short, no clear game-plan and players had no clear idea of what they were supposed to do in possession
A major contrast to Limerick who know that (a) they want to go short off puck-outs, (b) they know the positions they should be in for those puck-outs, (c) they know where they need to reach i.e. the 65m line, and (d) they know the things they have to do in order to work the ball out from the puck-out to the 65m line
ElGranSenor (Wexford) - Posts: 1382 - 08/06/2026 10:44:04
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Replying To ElGranSenor: "Watching the Munster Final yesterday and it struck me just how few times either team had a pop at the posts from a long way out in open play, seemed to prefer hitting the diagonal ball into the full-forward line even when they were in space around the halfway line
I suppose that in comparison, we shoot a lot more often from those positions, you'd think that if Cork and Limerick are the two best teams in the country and they're passing rather than shooting from those areas, we're doing it wrong if we're shooting rather than passing (If you're in a position to shoot, you're in a position to pass and the forwards are in there to score, backs are picked for reasons other than scoring)
Also quite clear that we had no plan in possession when teams pushed up against us, played decently at times when afforded time and space and made some nice moves (Carlow and Kildare in the league, first half against Offaly and Galway in the Championship) but when the intensity upped, we just resorted to going long, didn't even try to be brave and work it out short, no clear game-plan and players had no clear idea of what they were supposed to do in possession
A major contrast to Limerick who know that (a) they want to go short off puck-outs, (b) they know the positions they should be in for those puck-outs, (c) they know where they need to reach i.e. the 65m line, and (d) they know the things they have to do in order to work the ball out from the puck-out to the 65m line" And for all the hours ,weeks and Months of training, planning, coaching, video analysis etc Cork could muster 1 goal from play in the 2nd half .
Add that to the pt from play in the 2nd half All Ireland Final last year and what does that tell you?
Not sure myself but something along the lines of when the need is greatest it comes down to the mental toughness and inner drive of the individual. No game plan or setup will get you a score when up against a team equally as well coached. It then falls on the individual to do something extra.
Paull (Wexford) - Posts: 289 - 08/06/2026 11:59:45
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Replying To ElGranSenor: "Watching the Munster Final yesterday and it struck me just how few times either team had a pop at the posts from a long way out in open play, seemed to prefer hitting the diagonal ball into the full-forward line even when they were in space around the halfway line
I suppose that in comparison, we shoot a lot more often from those positions, you'd think that if Cork and Limerick are the two best teams in the country and they're passing rather than shooting from those areas, we're doing it wrong if we're shooting rather than passing (If you're in a position to shoot, you're in a position to pass and the forwards are in there to score, backs are picked for reasons other than scoring)
Also quite clear that we had no plan in possession when teams pushed up against us, played decently at times when afforded time and space and made some nice moves (Carlow and Kildare in the league, first half against Offaly and Galway in the Championship) but when the intensity upped, we just resorted to going long, didn't even try to be brave and work it out short, no clear game-plan and players had no clear idea of what they were supposed to do in possession
A major contrast to Limerick who know that (a) they want to go short off puck-outs, (b) they know the positions they should be in for those puck-outs, (c) they know where they need to reach i.e. the 65m line, and (d) they know the things they have to do in order to work the ball out from the puck-out to the 65m line" I agree with everything you say Elgransenor.
The phrase I would use is hurling intelligence.
Unfortunately we are sadly lacking to a large extent in hurling intelligence.
I don't mean the players are not intelligent academically but in their decision making on the field. Looking at Limerick and Cork yesterday and also Galway in the Leinster final, you could see that everything, or nearly everything they did was purposeful.
Mistakes were made of course but that was inevitable in the heated exchanges.
You are correct Elgransenor when you referenced their shooting from close in.
Therefore cutting down on the wide count.
We should be doing the same and not trying to shoot from impossible angles and distances.
Those teams that I named above by and large have the players with that hurling brain.Knowing what to do and when to do it.
How often in the past have we had slow starts and then burning energy Trying to claw our way back into it. Then on the flip side we are usually unable to finish teams off when we have a lead entering the final strait.
Is it our coaching or is that other teams have that natural ability and just know instinctively what to do and have the ability to do the right things more often.
Might seem obvious but maybe we should study them and change the way we think and play
More of the same will only lead to us saying things like "what if"---- or "if only"--- or "we were unlucky"------'.or blame refereeing decisions or injuries.
We are good as a county to look for scape goats but really a lot of it comes down to having hurling intelligence.
Magpie2 (Wexford) - Posts: 712 - 08/06/2026 12:31:50
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Replying To ElGranSenor: "Watching the Munster Final yesterday and it struck me just how few times either team had a pop at the posts from a long way out in open play, seemed to prefer hitting the diagonal ball into the full-forward line even when they were in space around the halfway line
I suppose that in comparison, we shoot a lot more often from those positions, you'd think that if Cork and Limerick are the two best teams in the country and they're passing rather than shooting from those areas, we're doing it wrong if we're shooting rather than passing (If you're in a position to shoot, you're in a position to pass and the forwards are in there to score, backs are picked for reasons other than scoring)
Also quite clear that we had no plan in possession when teams pushed up against us, played decently at times when afforded time and space and made some nice moves (Carlow and Kildare in the league, first half against Offaly and Galway in the Championship) but when the intensity upped, we just resorted to going long, didn't even try to be brave and work it out short, no clear game-plan and players had no clear idea of what they were supposed to do in possession
A major contrast to Limerick who know that (a) they want to go short off puck-outs, (b) they know the positions they should be in for those puck-outs, (c) they know where they need to reach i.e. the 65m line, and (d) they know the things they have to do in order to work the ball out from the puck-out to the 65m line" Conditions were a factor in the scarcity of long range scores yesterday imo. Didn't the Limerick freetaker miss 6+ opportunities from placed balls alone? 2 from short range. Limerick 2020-2024 often killed teams with long range point scoring, so they're certainly highly proficient at it. Cork have a bit of a different style, in that their front 8 first selection is absolutely stacked with pace. Probably because of this, they're looking to run past people most of the times, and work close in scores a lot, with a serious eye for goals at all times. No team in 2026 can play like Cork, because no team is as fast as Cork. Limerick can just about handle them with their mix of experience, know how, power and talent. All the indications are that no other team has troubled or will trouble Cork in 2026.
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Replying To Paull: "And for all the hours ,weeks and Months of training, planning, coaching, video analysis etc Cork could muster 1 goal from play in the 2nd half .
Add that to the pt from play in the 2nd half All Ireland Final last year and what does that tell you?
Not sure myself but something along the lines of when the need is greatest it comes down to the mental toughness and inner drive of the individual. No game plan or setup will get you a score when up against a team equally as well coached. It then falls on the individual to do something extra." Yes although tbf to Cork, they were up against Limerick
In contrast, we weren't playing against the same calibre of opposition, I don't think we even got to the stage you talk about where a team is equally well-coached and it all comes down to having an iron will
ElGranSenor (Wexford) - Posts: 1382 - 08/06/2026 14:06:05
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Replying To Pope_Benedict: "Conditions were a factor in the scarcity of long range scores yesterday imo. Didn't the Limerick freetaker miss 6+ opportunities from placed balls alone? 2 from short range. Limerick 2020-2024 often killed teams with long range point scoring, so they're certainly highly proficient at it. Cork have a bit of a different style, in that their front 8 first selection is absolutely stacked with pace. Probably because of this, they're looking to run past people most of the times, and work close in scores a lot, with a serious eye for goals at all times. No team in 2026 can play like Cork, because no team is as fast as Cork. Limerick can just about handle them with their mix of experience, know how, power and talent. All the indications are that no other team has troubled or will trouble Cork in 2026." These are fair points but even on dry ground and on a still day, Limerick's first instinct is to play the ball inside it it's on
Hayes and Byrnes are great ball-strikers and can score from deep but they probably play ball into the full-forward line more than they shoot even in good conditions and their midfield very rarely suit, they're almost always passers
ElGranSenor (Wexford) - Posts: 1382 - 08/06/2026 14:08:55
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