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Wexford Club Hurling 2025

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Say its been more beneficial to Kilanerin than tara rocks . Will it mean ballnstraw gaels are now going to go back as single clubs .
Can they logistically go one hurling only and one football only. Or would the parish boundaries (parish rule) prohibited this as tara rocks are in gorey parish (again I'm not sure on their actual parish/parishes )
Would imagine it would be better as 2 one code only clubs for both to develop and thrive .
Be interesting to hear decisions to be made by both clubs and co board on several different issues on this particular scenario.

Formertownie (Wexford) - Posts: 489 - 12/11/2025 11:22:33    2644139

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Replying To Viking66:  "They've had very good underage hurlers in recent years. Padraig Jones was one of the best county u20s last year, along with Eoin Hughes who still has 2 more years at u20. Jack and Ciaran Gethings are good prospects also. Think they are all Kilanerin but not 100% sure?"
Yes, all Kilanerin, and would therefore be hurling with Ballyfad if the current arrangement comes to an end.

You're right in a post further up that Tara Rocks are very passionate about their club and they have one very passionate speaker in particular at meetings. But I remember him having to admit that they hadn't a single minor player this year, and only a handful at U16 and U14. So they've nobody coming through that way for 2026, and not many for the years ahead after that either. I really do struggle to see how they'd have any chance of fielding on their own.

And it's all well and good to say Gorey will "need" two clubs and better to keep Tara Rocks alive now than see them die off and then have to set up a second club from scratch, but consider this - Tara Rocks will still need to attract new people to join them rather than join Naomh Eanna, and they've shown little or no sign over the past eight years that they're able to do so. Hard to see too how this might change in the next three to five years or more.

Reality is that the arrangement was first put in place as a five-year plan to let them get back to fielding by themselves. They then came along at the end of the five years and said it hasn't worked yet, we need three more years. If it's to continue, they'd be coming back again to say it still hasn't worked, we need even more time.

Hardline reply would be "you're after getting chance after chance for eight years in a row, and you're still no closer to where you were supposed to be. Why should we give you even more chances?"

Incidentally, have had a look at that transfers list and the programme for football Round 5 this year too. Only Tara Rocks contribution to a Kilanerin senior panel of 25 was two players amongst the subs. Only contribution to a Kilanerin junior panel of 25 was those same two players named to start there, and four others amongst the subs.

So at best, only nine Tara Rocks hurlers who played anywhere above Junior B, and only six Tara Rocks footballers who played anywhere above Junior B. It's getting even more difficult to see what hope they'd have by themselves at all.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 3212 - 12/11/2025 12:24:03    2644152

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Replying To Formertownie:  "Say its been more beneficial to Kilanerin than tara rocks . Will it mean ballnstraw gaels are now going to go back as single clubs .
Can they logistically go one hurling only and one football only. Or would the parish boundaries (parish rule) prohibited this as tara rocks are in gorey parish (again I'm not sure on their actual parish/parishes )
Would imagine it would be better as 2 one code only clubs for both to develop and thrive .
Be interesting to hear decisions to be made by both clubs and co board on several different issues on this particular scenario."
I'd completely disagree with your first line. I reckon there's absolutely no doubt that the arrangement has been far more beneficial to Tara Rocks. Without the arrangement, they'd probably no longer be in existence at all, due to sheer lack of playing numbers.

But Kilanerin/Ballyfad would have been fine without it. They might be a grade lower in hurling all right, but their football status would hardly have been affected at all. There was some disquiet over how they won Intermediate in 2017 (first year of the arrangement) with some Tara Rocks players on board, but chances are they'd have won it before too long anyway, and as already seen, Tara Rocks are not exactly contributing hugely to their football teams at the moment anyway.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 3212 - 12/11/2025 13:22:27    2644160

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Replying To Formertownie:  "Say its been more beneficial to Kilanerin than tara rocks . Will it mean ballnstraw gaels are now going to go back as single clubs .
Can they logistically go one hurling only and one football only. Or would the parish boundaries (parish rule) prohibited this as tara rocks are in gorey parish (again I'm not sure on their actual parish/parishes )
Would imagine it would be better as 2 one code only clubs for both to develop and thrive .
Be interesting to hear decisions to be made by both clubs and co board on several different issues on this particular scenario."
Don't see how you think it's benefitted Kilanerin more than the Rocks. If it wasn't for the amalgamation it's very unlikely Tara Rocks would exist at all.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 17472 - 12/11/2025 15:02:15    2644176

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Replying To Formertownie:  "Say its been more beneficial to Kilanerin than tara rocks . Will it mean ballnstraw gaels are now going to go back as single clubs .
Can they logistically go one hurling only and one football only. Or would the parish boundaries (parish rule) prohibited this as tara rocks are in gorey parish (again I'm not sure on their actual parish/parishes )
Would imagine it would be better as 2 one code only clubs for both to develop and thrive .
Be interesting to hear decisions to be made by both clubs and co board on several different issues on this particular scenario."
Don't see how you think it's benefitted Kilanerin more than the Rocks. If it wasn't for the amalgamation it's very unlikely Tara Rocks would exist at all.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 17472 - 12/11/2025 15:02:21    2644177

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "Yes, all Kilanerin, and would therefore be hurling with Ballyfad if the current arrangement comes to an end.

You're right in a post further up that Tara Rocks are very passionate about their club and they have one very passionate speaker in particular at meetings. But I remember him having to admit that they hadn't a single minor player this year, and only a handful at U16 and U14. So they've nobody coming through that way for 2026, and not many for the years ahead after that either. I really do struggle to see how they'd have any chance of fielding on their own.

And it's all well and good to say Gorey will "need" two clubs and better to keep Tara Rocks alive now than see them die off and then have to set up a second club from scratch, but consider this - Tara Rocks will still need to attract new people to join them rather than join Naomh Eanna, and they've shown little or no sign over the past eight years that they're able to do so. Hard to see too how this might change in the next three to five years or more.

Reality is that the arrangement was first put in place as a five-year plan to let them get back to fielding by themselves. They then came along at the end of the five years and said it hasn't worked yet, we need three more years. If it's to continue, they'd be coming back again to say it still hasn't worked, we need even more time.

Hardline reply would be "you're after getting chance after chance for eight years in a row, and you're still no closer to where you were supposed to be. Why should we give you even more chances?"

Incidentally, have had a look at that transfers list and the programme for football Round 5 this year too. Only Tara Rocks contribution to a Kilanerin senior panel of 25 was two players amongst the subs. Only contribution to a Kilanerin junior panel of 25 was those same two players named to start there, and four others amongst the subs.

So at best, only nine Tara Rocks hurlers who played anywhere above Junior B, and only six Tara Rocks footballers who played anywhere above Junior B. It's getting even more difficult to see what hope they'd have by themselves at all."
The same man made the point that they are doing better numbers wise in the younger age groups. Agree that parents still favour Gorey though. Would it be possible to look at our bylaws and split Gorey town? And while we are at it split Enniscorthy and Wexford town? So clubs can have more clearly defined catchment areas. This eould not only benefit Tara Rocks, but also Shamrocks and Clonard, and maybe stop some of the fighting between Football clubs in Wexford? This last year there's been alot of complaining that one particular town Football club had visited all the schools in town promoting their club. Fair play to them for putting that work in imo, but at the same time if each club had a defined catchment area then maybe all 4 clubs would try to make the most of it.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 17472 - 12/11/2025 15:08:44    2644182

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Replying To Viking66:  "The same man made the point that they are doing better numbers wise in the younger age groups. Agree that parents still favour Gorey though. Would it be possible to look at our bylaws and split Gorey town? And while we are at it split Enniscorthy and Wexford town? So clubs can have more clearly defined catchment areas. This eould not only benefit Tara Rocks, but also Shamrocks and Clonard, and maybe stop some of the fighting between Football clubs in Wexford? This last year there's been alot of complaining that one particular town Football club had visited all the schools in town promoting their club. Fair play to them for putting that work in imo, but at the same time if each club had a defined catchment area then maybe all 4 clubs would try to make the most of it."
"Doing better" with younger age groups is a relative term, though. If you've no minors, only two U16s, and maybe four U14s, then even five or six U12s is "doing better".

On your suggestion - it's possible to look at any bye-law, but just to point out that Enniscorthy is already split, because it's two different parishes. Any issue with "Shamrocks people" ending up with Rapps/Starlights instead is mainly one of these two things:
- Shamrocks not fielding at U12, so younger players join Rapps/Stars, and can then stay there since it's their official "first club".
- or adults from the Templeshannon area doing the fake address thing to "prove" that they live on the other side of the river.

Would take more than a change in bye-laws to resolve either of those things.

For the other two towns - any proposed change would likely meet huge opposition from the stronger clubs. And imagine somebody in Gorey being told "no, you can't play for Naomh Éanna because of where you live. You have to join Tara Rocks instead. But if you lived two streets over or in the next housing estate, you could join Naomh Éanna all right."

I know you could say the same about anybody in any border area between any two clubs, but difference is those borders have been there all along. They wouldn't be just suddenly imposed on people.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 3212 - 12/11/2025 16:07:37    2644193

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Replying To Pikeman96:  ""Doing better" with younger age groups is a relative term, though. If you've no minors, only two U16s, and maybe four U14s, then even five or six U12s is "doing better".

On your suggestion - it's possible to look at any bye-law, but just to point out that Enniscorthy is already split, because it's two different parishes. Any issue with "Shamrocks people" ending up with Rapps/Starlights instead is mainly one of these two things:
- Shamrocks not fielding at U12, so younger players join Rapps/Stars, and can then stay there since it's their official "first club".
- or adults from the Templeshannon area doing the fake address thing to "prove" that they live on the other side of the river.

Would take more than a change in bye-laws to resolve either of those things.

For the other two towns - any proposed change would likely meet huge opposition from the stronger clubs. And imagine somebody in Gorey being told "no, you can't play for Naomh Éanna because of where you live. You have to join Tara Rocks instead. But if you lived two streets over or in the next housing estate, you could join Naomh Éanna all right."

I know you could say the same about anybody in any border area between any two clubs, but difference is those borders have been there all along. They wouldn't be just suddenly imposed on people."
What are your solutions? How many young lads at clubs like Gorey and Harriers drop out because they get next to no proper coaching on 2nd teams or don't even make 2nd teams at all? Some of these lads might be late developers either?

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 17472 - 12/11/2025 16:40:09    2644199

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