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Replying To countyman2022: " Replying To Pikeman96: "@countyman2022 - now you're contradicting yourself when you say how Doon and Na Piarsaigh playing twice in six weeks was ideal. Because that's exactly what all the clubs in Wexford will be doing too, including the ones that manage to skip the preliminary quarter-finals:
This weekend (Week 1): hurling match
Next four weekends (Weeks 2, 3, 4 and 5): no hurling match
The weekend after that (Week 6): hurling match.
There ya go. Two matches in six weeks, just like those Limerick clubs." 8 clubs between Inter and Senior (main grades for providing inter county players) have 1 game in 8 weeks. 50% of those teams that 1 game will be a dead rubber as already qualified into top 2 before last game. Not really contradicting myself or anyone."
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Two Senior clubs giving walkovers in U21. Everyone will blame the fixtures and say nothing about player retention. Excluding minor, 3yrs of players. There will be all kinds of excuses blaming fixtures etc rather than use it as a reality check.
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Replying To Pikeman96: "Define what you mean by "people who are supposed to be responsible for hurling in the county".
If you mean the Hurling Advisory Committee, then no, they didn't put this in place. They simply suggested it as a way of running the championship. They wouldn't even been entitled to take part in the vote themselves.
It was put in place by the County Board, who voted to adopt their suggestion. And because there's sometimes confusion over the term "County Board", I'll clarify that it means the full committee of one delegate from each club, the top table management positions, and certain others who are entitled to be there (District Chairmen & Secretaries, Referee's representative, Post Primary Schools representative, etc.)
If you mean the County Board are "the people who are supposed to be responsible for hurling in the county", then there's a different answer to your question." You understand the meaning of form over substance?
Keep arguing the way you do and ignore the reality and that is if this is the best effort that people in Wexford who claim to care about Hurling can come up with then we are going nowhere.
zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 2034 - 31/07/2025 11:01:31
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Any reports from the U21 games last night? Oulart and Glynn looked like a cracker, Oulart scoring 1-1 in the last minute, both these teams seem to be meeting alot recently more so underage. I heard Simon Roche went off injured. Oulart were complaining about the timing of this fixture and I see they are down to play tomorrow night. He would be a big loss off their team if true. Although as there is no jeopardy at the minute as its been discussed a lot lately on this discussion group, it probably doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things.
alwaysasub (Wexford) - Posts: 508 - 31/07/2025 11:08:29
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Replying To zinny: "You understand the meaning of form over substance?
Keep arguing the way you do and ignore the reality and that is if this is the best effort that people in Wexford who claim to care about Hurling can come up with then we are going nowhere." I'm just attempting to explain to you the process by which we came to have this structure, because it seems you clearly don't understand that process yourself.
I'm in no way attempting to defend the championship structure. I'm on record here many times saying that I don't like it myself.
But for what it's worth, to my mind, the gap caused by two free weekends and two rounds of football is the least of the problems with it.
Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 3002 - 31/07/2025 11:51:29
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As someone said before the format should be :
Top of group : Qualified and plays 2nd in the other group. Winner gets following week off (Game A) and through to semi final
3rd in group: Draw to play 3rd / 4th in other group (Game B) and winners play loser of top/2nd group following weekend (Game C).
5th in group : Out
6th in group : Relegation final.
Semi finals : Game A winner vs Game C winners
No game should have no jeopardy. I get wary of people with a "Its Adrian Fenlon and Liam Griffin, they must know so we will bow down to them". People need to speak up if they are not happy with the format. Liam Griffin is a member of a very poor hurling club and what happened 30 years ago should have no sway. I don't train our underage teams as we were trained 30-40 years ago, why don't people stand up and be counted?
ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1452 - 31/07/2025 12:17:43
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Replying To ExiledInWex: "As someone said before the format should be :
Top of group : Qualified and plays 2nd in the other group. Winner gets following week off (Game A) and through to semi final
3rd in group: Draw to play 3rd / 4th in other group (Game B) and winners play loser of top/2nd group following weekend (Game C).
5th in group : Out
6th in group : Relegation final.
Semi finals : Game A winner vs Game C winners
No game should have no jeopardy. I get wary of people with a "Its Adrian Fenlon and Liam Griffin, they must know so we will bow down to them". People need to speak up if they are not happy with the format. Liam Griffin is a member of a very poor hurling club and what happened 30 years ago should have no sway. I don't train our underage teams as we were trained 30-40 years ago, why don't people stand up and be counted?" Havent seen this proposal before, not a bad idea, rewarding for coming top 2 as you get a second chance if you lose, certainly a interesting proposal.
alwaysasub (Wexford) - Posts: 508 - 31/07/2025 13:36:59
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Replying To zinny: "Two Senior clubs giving walkovers in U21. Everyone will blame the fixtures and say nothing about player retention. Excluding minor, 3yrs of players. There will be all kinds of excuses blaming fixtures etc rather than use it as a reality check." Harriers have 6/7 u21's on their senior panel. From what I hear the shels refused to reschedule the match.
HurlingBuzz (Wexford) - Posts: 556 - 31/07/2025 15:22:06
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Replying To HurlingBuzz: "Harriers have 6/7 u21's on their senior panel. From what I hear the shels refused to reschedule the match." Many clubs including Oulart and Glynn Barntown (u21 teams) asked to reschedule and were refused. And then that game last night went to extra time and I have been told both clubs asked not to play extra time but again refused. So as has been quite rightly pointed out here Oulart players who one of whom we hope to be main stays of our Senior hurling team im the near future will now play 3 full championship games plus extra time in 6 days. But sure they will have 5 weeks to recover so nothing wrong there.
Paull (Wexford) - Posts: 210 - 31/07/2025 16:01:37
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Replying To alwaysasub: "Havent seen this proposal before, not a bad idea, rewarding for coming top 2 as you get a second chance if you lose, certainly a interesting proposal." It's like AFL
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16746 - 31/07/2025 16:28:25
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Yeah, like that and the NRL, it's better than what we have now and would take the same number of weekends although I do wonder whether we still have too many rounds of Championship
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Replying To Paull: "Many clubs including Oulart and Glynn Barntown (u21 teams) asked to reschedule and were refused. And then that game last night went to extra time and I have been told both clubs asked not to play extra time but again refused. So as has been quite rightly pointed out here Oulart players who one of whom we hope to be main stays of our Senior hurling team im the near future will now play 3 full championship games plus extra time in 6 days. But sure they will have 5 weeks to recover so nothing wrong there." Raised this issue a few weeks ago
WEX98 (Wexford) - Posts: 547 - 31/07/2025 21:47:42
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Watched Rapps v Harriers on clubber, have to say as much as we need Lee Chin it would be great if Kevin Foley gave us another couple of years in the county jersey. Class player ran riot for the Rapparees. Makes that group more interesting now.
WexMurph (Wexford) - Posts: 296 - 31/07/2025 22:50:44
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Replying To WexMurph: "Watched Rapps v Harriers on clubber, have to say as much as we need Lee Chin it would be great if Kevin Foley gave us another couple of years in the county jersey. Class player ran riot for the Rapparees. Makes that group more interesting now." Important game for Oulart tonight, if they lose to Shels they will finish bottom before the last game, Looking at the other group, it will be either Crossabeg-Ballymurn or Ferns in the 5th and 6th spots.
And to answer the question above, yes we do have too many matches in the championship, 3 groups of 4!
alwaysasub (Wexford) - Posts: 508 - 01/08/2025 09:06:44
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Replying To HurlingBuzz: "Harriers have 6/7 u21's on their senior panel. From what I hear the shels refused to reschedule the match." Look in a way Shels were under no obligation to change the fixture - when would it have been changed to? .. Full round of minor fixtures played last Monday night. Harriers / Rapps had agreed to change Senior to Thursday night due to a wedding so I don't know when the U21 game would have fitted in. Far from ideal either way
It now makes sense to play the U21 semi-finals on the Wednesday of the week that that there are no games due to Electric Picnic.
Otherwise you are going to have the same issue as last year - U21 will be lumped into midweek during the Hurling Q/F and S/F.
Buffers Alley / Shels / Oulart / Rathnure through to the semi finals
MyOhMi (Wexford) - Posts: 209 - 01/08/2025 10:00:28
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Replying To WEX98: "Raised this issue a few weeks ago" Maybe it would be a better idea to have breaks in the championship to facilitate u21 as best we can rather than to facilitate sessions in Laois.
Not sure how feasible it is but a better use of time than the latter.
tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1541 - 01/08/2025 10:01:03
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I think it's time to seriously consider scrapping U21 altogether. People say it's an important grade in bridging the gap between underage and adult. That might have been true years ago, when players of that age would probably only have had a handful of games a year without it. But now, there are more adult League & Championship games than there ever were in those days, and things are very different.
As previously pointed out, problems with running U21 are:
- Can't play it in early part of the year due to inter-county competition
- Can't play it in May/June due to Leaving Cert & college exams
- Try run it midweek at this time of year, and you get all the problems we're seeing now.
- Leave it until November to start, and you've two other problems. You're still trying to work around adult fixtures as three hurling teams and three football will be competing in Leinster. And you're facing complaints of "leaving lads waiting all year and now expecting them to play on bad pitches and in bad weather".
Even the Oulart suggestion of using the Wednesdays in the run-up to the two free weekends wouldn't have solved things. There are four rounds of U21 this time of year (two hurling, two football), so you'd still have the same problems in two of those weeks. And that's leaving aside altogether how on one of the dates that Oulart suggested, lads with Intermediate 'A' football clubs would also be playing championship 24 hours later.
As I heard somebody else say a year or two back - if we'd never had U21 in the first place, nobody would be suggesting it now. Nobody would be saying: "Know what we really need? Another age grade between Minor and adult, because there simply aren't enough games in the calendar without it".
Finally, side note - and still, some people want U18s to be able to play adult as well. Look at what's happening the U21 championships, and imagine what the Minor championships would be like too.
Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 3002 - 01/08/2025 10:12:06
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As good as Lee chin is to me it looks like everything and I mean everything is going through him with harriers. There seems to be a sense within the team that sure lee will pull us through and they are riding the comfort zone train feeding off chins scraps . They better wake up before its too late .
If he gets held there does nt seem to be a plan b or a plan at all at times . I know missing couple others through injury etc but still need more leaders on the field than just chin Richie kehoe went off injured in first half . Big loss for them
Looks like jippo done decent job on chin last night and broke a lot of ball. Rest of harries looked to be found wanting when it came to winning breaking ball .
Kevin Foley gave an exhibition .
Down to 14 men 2 minding chin mostly
Extra defender for harriers and still could nt negate the foley influence .
Ps wishing Richie Kehoe speedy recovery form what looked like a season ending injury . Been some warrior in fairness .
Could be a very interesting the last round of games aftr rest of group
Would ve been more interesting if 2 teams exited championship proper after round Robin organ least one team . Takes the bite off the tension of last round . Ah sure we still have a chance .
Expect martis and shels to win but you never know.
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Replying To Pikeman96: "I think it's time to seriously consider scrapping U21 altogether. People say it's an important grade in bridging the gap between underage and adult. That might have been true years ago, when players of that age would probably only have had a handful of games a year without it. But now, there are more adult League & Championship games than there ever were in those days, and things are very different.
As previously pointed out, problems with running U21 are:
- Can't play it in early part of the year due to inter-county competition
- Can't play it in May/June due to Leaving Cert & college exams
- Try run it midweek at this time of year, and you get all the problems we're seeing now.
- Leave it until November to start, and you've two other problems. You're still trying to work around adult fixtures as three hurling teams and three football will be competing in Leinster. And you're facing complaints of "leaving lads waiting all year and now expecting them to play on bad pitches and in bad weather".
Even the Oulart suggestion of using the Wednesdays in the run-up to the two free weekends wouldn't have solved things. There are four rounds of U21 this time of year (two hurling, two football), so you'd still have the same problems in two of those weeks. And that's leaving aside altogether how on one of the dates that Oulart suggested, lads with Intermediate 'A' football clubs would also be playing championship 24 hours later.
As I heard somebody else say a year or two back - if we'd never had U21 in the first place, nobody would be suggesting it now. Nobody would be saying: "Know what we really need? Another age grade between Minor and adult, because there simply aren't enough games in the calendar without it".
Finally, side note - and still, some people want U18s to be able to play adult as well. Look at what's happening the U21 championships, and imagine what the Minor championships would be like too." I do think juvenille and minor club has suffered hugely with the club/county split season where proper minor and u16 championship doesn't start until u17 county teams get finished . Throw in tournament weekends etc club underage players are nt getting enough exposure to proper competitive championships until mid summer family holiday season . Throw in former u17 county players playing minor how much challenge is there in a development league for them. Will they drift off or stagnate if not involved with 20s or 19s .
What about the rest of the club players . . Maybe u18s in last year could play county league not championship.
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Replying To Formertownie: "I do think juvenille and minor club has suffered hugely with the club/county split season where proper minor and u16 championship doesn't start until u17 county teams get finished . Throw in tournament weekends etc club underage players are nt getting enough exposure to proper competitive championships until mid summer family holiday season . Throw in former u17 county players playing minor how much challenge is there in a development league for them. Will they drift off or stagnate if not involved with 20s or 19s .
What about the rest of the club players . . Maybe u18s in last year could play county league not championship." Interesting point about minors being allowed to play league, not a proposal I have heard before. Would certainly give them more games and teams also struggle to field in the league stages although not sure how it would work in theory.
I really dont know why minor championship cannot start while they are also playing county. Why cant they play with their club during the week and then county at the weekend? Surely a match with a club is more beneficial than a training session with the county. I understand at adult level why its done but think its silly at minor level, to stop any sort of decent championship while about 5% of players hold it up. They should be allowed play both, we should be telling the minor managers this is the way we are going and thats it, not the other way around.
Sure the minor and U16 championship is farcical. Groups of 4, three half meaningful matches, where every team gets through (bit like adult), then a team might have one decent competitive game a quarter final, lose that and thats it. The early development league is beyond a joke, where they didnt even bother playing the finals of it last year.
alwaysasub (Wexford) - Posts: 508 - 01/08/2025 11:23:43
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