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Replying To alwaysasub: "I think its a bit disingenuous to call it a final, was it not a secondary or third competition final of the U20, Bad feeling? I dont agree with that. I am saying this a predominately a football supporter, If it was a secondary competition for hurling it would be the same no doubt. Yes there are bandwagon supporters in every county but most people would be disinterested in what was basically a shield competition, no offence to the players who put in the hard training etc but that just the way supporters are. Sure look at the crowds at the Wexford park this year when the footballers were playing in the Tailteann Cup, extremely poor. Unfortunately when its a secondary competition in football, especially U20, supporters just wont spend their hard earned money, thats across every sport." Sorry ignore this I was thinking of something else
alwaysasub (Wexford) - Posts: 504 - 18/07/2025 14:22:46
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Replying To Pikeman96: "I well remember that night in Carlow, and no doubt we were massively outnumbered. To be honest, was a bit disappointed with it myself. But think you have to bear in mind we were facing a massive Offaly bandwagon at the time. If we'd been playing Kilkenny or Galway or Dublin instead, then total attendance would have been much smaller, and there's a chance that even the same number of Wexford supporters would actually have been the majority.
I remember rumours going around at the time that Offaly GAA organised and paid for stacks of buses to bring children to that match. This never happened. Closest they came to it was for the Minor Football Final of the previous year, when they encouraged clubs to organise their own buses and then send in the bills afterwards, so that they (Offaly County Board) could do a draw to pay one bill for one club.
On the other thing, presume you're referring to the match v Kilkenny in the senior championship this year, so a couple of points:
- Wexford GAA don't have the power to issue free tickets. Ticketing for Leinster Championship matches is run by Leinster GAA. If Wexford wanted to hand out say 1,000 children's tickets, they'd have to buy those tickets from Leinster in the first place.
- Show me any example from any county of players on social media in the run up to a match, encouraging people to attend. This sort of thing simply doesn't happen. Players don't even tend to do regular newspaper or other media interviews any more, unless it's at some sort of official event that they're more than likely being paid for being at.
- There's no real benefit to Wexford GAA to having the ground packed out for those matches, financially speaking. Way it works is that Leinster Council pays a "ground rent" to Wexford for the use of the venue for the day, and to the best of my knowledge, this is the same whether 5,000 people attend or 20,000 people attend.
- People talk about "lack of promotion", but I believe that anybody likely to go to any particular match will already know it's on. And in particular, it would have been very difficult to attract the casual fan to that match v Kilkenny, which was the very definition of a dead rubber.
Still, having said all that, if you can come up with a cost-effective method of increased promotion of matches, I'm sure the people responsible would love to hear it." Well said
alwaysasub (Wexford) - Posts: 504 - 18/07/2025 14:24:29
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Replying To alwaysasub: "I think its a bit disingenuous to call it a final, was it not a secondary or third competition final of the U20, Bad feeling? I dont agree with that. I am saying this a predominately a football supporter, If it was a secondary competition for hurling it would be the same no doubt. Yes there are bandwagon supporters in every county but most people would be disinterested in what was basically a shield competition, no offence to the players who put in the hard training etc but that just the way supporters are. Sure look at the crowds at the Wexford park this year when the footballers were playing in the Tailteann Cup, extremely poor. Unfortunately when its a secondary competition in football, especially U20, supporters just wont spend their hard earned money, thats across every sport." Seems either you or me is thinking of the wrong match altogether, because we're definitely talking about the same one!
Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2999 - 18/07/2025 14:26:13
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Replying To alwaysasub: "I think its a bit disingenuous to call it a final, was it not a secondary or third competition final of the U20, Bad feeling? I dont agree with that. I am saying this a predominately a football supporter, If it was a secondary competition for hurling it would be the same no doubt. Yes there are bandwagon supporters in every county but most people would be disinterested in what was basically a shield competition, no offence to the players who put in the hard training etc but that just the way supporters are. Sure look at the crowds at the Wexford park this year when the footballers were playing in the Tailteann Cup, extremely poor. Unfortunately when its a secondary competition in football, especially U20, supporters just wont spend their hard earned money, thats across every sport." It was a Leinster u20 hurling final. The winners went on to the AI u20 hurling final. Hardly a secondary competition!!!!!
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16734 - 18/07/2025 15:02:11
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Replying To Pikeman96: "I well remember that night in Carlow, and no doubt we were massively outnumbered. To be honest, was a bit disappointed with it myself. But think you have to bear in mind we were facing a massive Offaly bandwagon at the time. If we'd been playing Kilkenny or Galway or Dublin instead, then total attendance would have been much smaller, and there's a chance that even the same number of Wexford supporters would actually have been the majority.
I remember rumours going around at the time that Offaly GAA organised and paid for stacks of buses to bring children to that match. This never happened. Closest they came to it was for the Minor Football Final of the previous year, when they encouraged clubs to organise their own buses and then send in the bills afterwards, so that they (Offaly County Board) could do a draw to pay one bill for one club.
On the other thing, presume you're referring to the match v Kilkenny in the senior championship this year, so a couple of points:
- Wexford GAA don't have the power to issue free tickets. Ticketing for Leinster Championship matches is run by Leinster GAA. If Wexford wanted to hand out say 1,000 children's tickets, they'd have to buy those tickets from Leinster in the first place.
- Show me any example from any county of players on social media in the run up to a match, encouraging people to attend. This sort of thing simply doesn't happen. Players don't even tend to do regular newspaper or other media interviews any more, unless it's at some sort of official event that they're more than likely being paid for being at.
- There's no real benefit to Wexford GAA to having the ground packed out for those matches, financially speaking. Way it works is that Leinster Council pays a "ground rent" to Wexford for the use of the venue for the day, and to the best of my knowledge, this is the same whether 5,000 people attend or 20,000 people attend.
- People talk about "lack of promotion", but I believe that anybody likely to go to any particular match will already know it's on. And in particular, it would have been very difficult to attract the casual fan to that match v Kilkenny, which was the very definition of a dead rubber.
Still, having said all that, if you can come up with a cost-effective method of increased promotion of matches, I'm sure the people responsible would love to hear it." Best way to get bums on seats is to start winning things again. That's the best promotion.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16734 - 18/07/2025 15:16:29
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Replying To Viking66: "It was a Leinster u20 hurling final. The winners went on to the AI u20 hurling final. Hardly a secondary competition!!!!!" As stated above, I was thinking of something else, please ignore
alwaysasub (Wexford) - Posts: 504 - 18/07/2025 15:28:14
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There was bad feeling towards the Wexford supporters from the U20 team over that game in particular. I heard even Rossy said it on the radio. We were only beaten by 2 points I think and were vastly outnumbered.
I think its up to the GAA at Leinster Council level to promote the games and there is no doubt for me that kids should go free. Its not as if stadiums are full. Charging €5 is just disencouraging kids and their parents through the turnstile.
If you stood on O'Connell Street or Temple Bar the week of the Leinster Hurling final, how would you know when the match is on, where to buy tickets? Outside of being in a GAA club in the competing counties, how would you know? Hype is generated by those who have skin in the game and the Premier League hype up mediocre games yet the GAA are brutal at it.
Its a chicken and egg situation. Look at Cork and Limerick, both counties had the usual support and now I hear "Cork bring great colour", well the colour has only been brought since they got good again.
StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1912 - 19/07/2025 06:31:21
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Replying To StoreysTash: "There was bad feeling towards the Wexford supporters from the U20 team over that game in particular. I heard even Rossy said it on the radio. We were only beaten by 2 points I think and were vastly outnumbered.
I think its up to the GAA at Leinster Council level to promote the games and there is no doubt for me that kids should go free. Its not as if stadiums are full. Charging €5 is just disencouraging kids and their parents through the turnstile.
If you stood on O'Connell Street or Temple Bar the week of the Leinster Hurling final, how would you know when the match is on, where to buy tickets? Outside of being in a GAA club in the competing counties, how would you know? Hype is generated by those who have skin in the game and the Premier League hype up mediocre games yet the GAA are brutal at it.
Its a chicken and egg situation. Look at Cork and Limerick, both counties had the usual support and now I hear "Cork bring great colour", well the colour has only been brought since they got good again." I agree. The FAI are also quite good at this. They contact all the LOI teams for schoolboy tickets the week of international friendlies.
You might as well have free seats filled as half empty grounds.
I was really sour over the kid's tickets for league matches to be honest and it absolutely had an impact on attendance.
People think it doesn't matter but in a competitive game a big Wexford cloud is like an extra man. It can help you chase a little harder, find an extra yard of pace or the confidence to have a go.
I do think clubs could do more though. We brought young lads to one away match this year in Parnell and played a game before hand, went for pizza and on to the match. They absolutely loved it.
If every club did that we'd have no bother with support.
Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3862 - 19/07/2025 09:47:56
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Replying To StoreysTash: "There was bad feeling towards the Wexford supporters from the U20 team over that game in particular. I heard even Rossy said it on the radio. We were only beaten by 2 points I think and were vastly outnumbered.
I think its up to the GAA at Leinster Council level to promote the games and there is no doubt for me that kids should go free. Its not as if stadiums are full. Charging €5 is just disencouraging kids and their parents through the turnstile.
If you stood on O'Connell Street or Temple Bar the week of the Leinster Hurling final, how would you know when the match is on, where to buy tickets? Outside of being in a GAA club in the competing counties, how would you know? Hype is generated by those who have skin in the game and the Premier League hype up mediocre games yet the GAA are brutal at it.
Its a chicken and egg situation. Look at Cork and Limerick, both counties had the usual support and now I hear "Cork bring great colour", well the colour has only been brought since they got good again." I've said this a few times but I'm not sure why people keep going on about promotion in the context of the condensed season we have decided is the way forward.
We can't even properly promote our AI finals anymore and people are going on about advertisements and billboards in prominent commercial areas for leinster finals etc! You don't just ring on a Monday and have your billboard up the next day, for the vast majority of these things you're booking weeks and months in advance and in general if you want to promote a game its a good idea to know who's playing.
We can't have it every way, we can't have a condensed season and certainty for the club player and the week off for the session in Laois on top of that and oh by the way more promotion of games in a timeframe that doesn't allow it.
And personally speaking €5 for kids tickets is definitely not an issue, the currency that's having the biggest negative effect is time and I go back again to our condensed season. Gojng to games in the past was an event, an occasion something you built up to, the expectation and something that was discussed long after until the next build up, now all that's gone, it's a conveyor belt, if you miss this one there's another along in a few minutes! And there's more and more of them in less and less time.
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Replying To tearintom: "I've said this a few times but I'm not sure why people keep going on about promotion in the context of the condensed season we have decided is the way forward.
We can't even properly promote our AI finals anymore and people are going on about advertisements and billboards in prominent commercial areas for leinster finals etc! You don't just ring on a Monday and have your billboard up the next day, for the vast majority of these things you're booking weeks and months in advance and in general if you want to promote a game its a good idea to know who's playing.
We can't have it every way, we can't have a condensed season and certainty for the club player and the week off for the session in Laois on top of that and oh by the way more promotion of games in a timeframe that doesn't allow it.
And personally speaking €5 for kids tickets is definitely not an issue, the currency that's having the biggest negative effect is time and I go back again to our condensed season. Gojng to games in the past was an event, an occasion something you built up to, the expectation and something that was discussed long after until the next build up, now all that's gone, it's a conveyor belt, if you miss this one there's another along in a few minutes! And there's more and more of them in less and less time." Couldn't agree more. 100%. Far too many games in a very short time frame.Look at the huge gap between end of intercoumty and start of league for most counties. It's 8 months! Other sports such as soccer and rugby must be jumping for joy getting all the media attention. Gaa is sidelined completely except for meaningless early rounds of zero jeopardy club games.
The only thing people will be talking about on the streets and in the pubs will be how Man united and Liverpool are faring.
Ridiculous that all irelands are in July.
August would be so much better.
Most counties could still have club games starting in July.
Magpie2 (Wexford) - Posts: 542 - 20/07/2025 11:57:37
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We might as well get talking about Round 3
Glynn V Rapps
Rapps not going great with 2 losses and also 2 losses in Senior football. I'm a firm believer in momentum builds momentum and it's probably time for them to get their ship in order. Glynn were possibly fortunate to get a win in Round 1 and Rapps were probably flattered by 1 point loss after been well down at half time. Will be interesting to see if Liam Ryan is anywhere nearly fit. Rapps do have some very good forwards and when Kevin Foley is on form he will be hard stopped. Overall though i think Glynn are better balanced and will give them the a very slight 1-2 point win
Harriers V Shels
Shels blowing a little hot and cold but still have two wins under their belt. Getting the job done without been anyway spectacular. Harriers on the otherhand are huffing and puffing. Richie Lawlor I don't think is back and is needed. Chin will do the damage but won't be enough. Shels for the victory
St Annes V C/Ballymurn
Ballymurn under pressure - demolished in Round 1 and a comprehensive beating in Round 2. Due to have a few back from injury. St. Annes getting on with their business in a quiet fashion. Expect them to have way to much firepower here though and bigger tests lie ahead
Rathnure V Ferns
Interesting fixture - I think Ferns have beaten Rathnure in all of their last few fixtures over the past 5-6 year. However Rathnure have been very impressive in their first 2 games while the opposite can be said of Ferns who look a little stale. There are talks that Shane Lawlor is back training having been out injured since start of the year. I do think the tide has turned and a youthful Rathnure side will overturn a now aging Ferns side.
Oylegate V Gorey
Gorey were poor against Rathnure. Uninterested and not bothered. Eoin Molloy red carded will be a loss and I suspect he will be gone for Round 4 too. Oylegate put up a decent score against Ballymurn and have some very good forwards on their day. That said Gorey might have got the kicking they deserved in last round and I do expect them to record a decent win here.
St Martins V Oulart
Oulart similiar to Rapps with 2 losses. They are in a big state of flux and I do think within the next 3-4 years they will be very competitive again which can only be good for Wexford hurling. Martins without Rory O' Connor (and possibly Jack) but I don't think Oulart will trouble them and St Martins pace and movement will win out.
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Replying To MyOhMi: "We might as well get talking about Round 3
Glynn V Rapps
Rapps not going great with 2 losses and also 2 losses in Senior football. I'm a firm believer in momentum builds momentum and it's probably time for them to get their ship in order. Glynn were possibly fortunate to get a win in Round 1 and Rapps were probably flattered by 1 point loss after been well down at half time. Will be interesting to see if Liam Ryan is anywhere nearly fit. Rapps do have some very good forwards and when Kevin Foley is on form he will be hard stopped. Overall though i think Glynn are better balanced and will give them the a very slight 1-2 point win
Harriers V Shels
Shels blowing a little hot and cold but still have two wins under their belt. Getting the job done without been anyway spectacular. Harriers on the otherhand are huffing and puffing. Richie Lawlor I don't think is back and is needed. Chin will do the damage but won't be enough. Shels for the victory
St Annes V C/Ballymurn
Ballymurn under pressure - demolished in Round 1 and a comprehensive beating in Round 2. Due to have a few back from injury. St. Annes getting on with their business in a quiet fashion. Expect them to have way to much firepower here though and bigger tests lie ahead
Rathnure V Ferns
Interesting fixture - I think Ferns have beaten Rathnure in all of their last few fixtures over the past 5-6 year. However Rathnure have been very impressive in their first 2 games while the opposite can be said of Ferns who look a little stale. There are talks that Shane Lawlor is back training having been out injured since start of the year. I do think the tide has turned and a youthful Rathnure side will overturn a now aging Ferns side.
Oylegate V Gorey
Gorey were poor against Rathnure. Uninterested and not bothered. Eoin Molloy red carded will be a loss and I suspect he will be gone for Round 4 too. Oylegate put up a decent score against Ballymurn and have some very good forwards on their day. That said Gorey might have got the kicking they deserved in last round and I do expect them to record a decent win here.
St Martins V Oulart
Oulart similiar to Rapps with 2 losses. They are in a big state of flux and I do think within the next 3-4 years they will be very competitive again which can only be good for Wexford hurling. Martins without Rory O' Connor (and possibly Jack) but I don't think Oulart will trouble them and St Martins pace and movement will win out." Agree except fancy Harriers and Rapps to win.
WexMurph (Wexford) - Posts: 295 - 22/07/2025 11:20:54
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Replying To Magpie2: "Couldn't agree more. 100%. Far too many games in a very short time frame.Look at the huge gap between end of intercoumty and start of league for most counties. It's 8 months! Other sports such as soccer and rugby must be jumping for joy getting all the media attention. Gaa is sidelined completely except for meaningless early rounds of zero jeopardy club games.
The only thing people will be talking about on the streets and in the pubs will be how Man united and Liverpool are faring.
Ridiculous that all irelands are in July.
August would be so much better.
Most counties could still have club games starting in July." Totally agree. Everything is rush rush rush. Box ticking exercise so the suits in croke park can say they ran off the calender with no delays.
Hurling final will be a distant memory by tomorrow when build up for the football final will start
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I am with you here Doyler, I think league games are poor enough value at the best of times let alone adding €5 to bringing a child to the match. Look I am not wanting a free ticket in Croke Park on All-Ireland final day but a league match in February is hardly box office, getting people in the gate at all is an achievement and slapping a fiver on the kids ticket is just another barrier and its solidified my decision to not bother.
Tearintom I am with you on the everything is rush rush rush and the next one is around the corner point but I disagree on the marketing point. My wife works in this field (albeit not GAA) and there is lots of scenario planning in the industry. I am stealing her examples but you can have marketing campaigns planned for "if round 5 is a win-or-bust scenario for Wexford, we do A, B, C, D and E". If its not, we do nothing only pay the unprinted development costs. But also, most promotion now happens online so social media is gold here. You can have campaigns like #FillThePark, #SkinTheCats, etc. And unlike years ago, kids are in school for the whole of the round robin. So get flyers out to schools, get teachers to play a short video from Wexford GAA. Get Lee Chin to record a video for social media. He's sitting in a bath on every ad break, FFS why aren't Wexford harnessing him for promoting the game in the county?
I know this sometimes happens but get the half-time boys and girls games at very match. Ask the respective clubs to say on social media that "Good luck to tearintom Jnr who is playing at half time in the match on Sunday".
Get more matches at 5-7pm on Saturday, or even better insist that we are that slot. Why do Munster own it at the moment? Perfect time for match and a few drinks. The town benefits.
Even on the club matches, why is there not a billboard as you slow down in various places along the road? Like Oylegate and Gorey and in The Bull Ring and places. "THIS WEEKS MATCHES" and a flicking list of the matches.
Yes some of it is a bit twee but it sells. We need to promote the games and get word out there and inject a bit of life in to the whole hurling setup. At the moment, it is absolutely dead and I feel like its dying on its feet across the county.
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Replying To WexMurph: " Replying To MyOhMi: "We might as well get talking about Round 3
Glynn V Rapps
Rapps not going great with 2 losses and also 2 losses in Senior football. I'm a firm believer in momentum builds momentum and it's probably time for them to get their ship in order. Glynn were possibly fortunate to get a win in Round 1 and Rapps were probably flattered by 1 point loss after been well down at half time. Will be interesting to see if Liam Ryan is anywhere nearly fit. Rapps do have some very good forwards and when Kevin Foley is on form he will be hard stopped. Overall though i think Glynn are better balanced and will give them the a very slight 1-2 point win
Harriers V Shels
Shels blowing a little hot and cold but still have two wins under their belt. Getting the job done without been anyway spectacular. Harriers on the otherhand are huffing and puffing. Richie Lawlor I don't think is back and is needed. Chin will do the damage but won't be enough. Shels for the victory
St Annes V C/Ballymurn
Ballymurn under pressure - demolished in Round 1 and a comprehensive beating in Round 2. Due to have a few back from injury. St. Annes getting on with their business in a quiet fashion. Expect them to have way to much firepower here though and bigger tests lie ahead
Rathnure V Ferns
Interesting fixture - I think Ferns have beaten Rathnure in all of their last few fixtures over the past 5-6 year. However Rathnure have been very impressive in their first 2 games while the opposite can be said of Ferns who look a little stale. There are talks that Shane Lawlor is back training having been out injured since start of the year. I do think the tide has turned and a youthful Rathnure side will overturn a now aging Ferns side.
Oylegate V Gorey
Gorey were poor against Rathnure. Uninterested and not bothered. Eoin Molloy red carded will be a loss and I suspect he will be gone for Round 4 too. Oylegate put up a decent score against Ballymurn and have some very good forwards on their day. That said Gorey might have got the kicking they deserved in last round and I do expect them to record a decent win here.
St Martins V Oulart
Oulart similiar to Rapps with 2 losses. They are in a big state of flux and I do think within the next 3-4 years they will be very competitive again which can only be good for Wexford hurling. Martins without Rory O' Connor (and possibly Jack) but I don't think Oulart will trouble them and St Martins pace and movement will win out." Agree except fancy Harriers and Rapps to win."
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16734 - 22/07/2025 13:38:52
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Who in Wexford GAA proposed the current championship format? Who were the advocates and what was their reasoning?
StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1912 - 23/07/2025 12:12:02
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Replying To StoreysTash: "Who in Wexford GAA proposed the current championship format? Who were the advocates and what was their reasoning?" It was proposed by the Hurling Advisory Committee which was led by Adrain Fenlon
Discussed, voted on and passed at Convention by Club delegates.
People need to remember that Wexford GAA do not just pull these suggestions out of their brains - it is the clubs that eventually vote these through in a democratic process.
Maybe we don't agree with the format, but then it is up to the clubs to try and change / alter it.
MyOhMi (Wexford) - Posts: 208 - 23/07/2025 12:34:50
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Replying To StoreysTash: "Who in Wexford GAA proposed the current championship format? Who were the advocates and what was their reasoning?" Adrian Fenlon and Liam Griffin.
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Replying To countyman2022: "Adrian Fenlon and Liam Griffin." Fair enough, clubs voted to give it a shot the first year, even though I don't know how people thought it was a good option, HAC were just looking at Kilkenny as the benchmark. But how on earth clubs and the CB voted for it to stay is beyond me. Worst decision of all time.
btwex90 (Wexford) - Posts: 43 - 23/07/2025 12:56:15
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Have the Hurling Advisory Committee came up with any good initiatives ? Crazy to think they came up with that championship format
Afinestick96 (Wexford) - Posts: 685 - 23/07/2025 13:12:28
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