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Clare, Limerick, Tipperary And Waterford Ruining Munster Football And All Ireland Championship?

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Replying To tirawleybaron:  "The fact is that the best championship in the country is in Ulster - which has no fixed element at all.
Leinster seeds qfinals, Munster seeds semi finals and Connacht has a partial fix of qfinals.

Generally, the best championship matches have been first round matches were the big guns draw each other.
A draw like that effects the way a Kerry/Galway/Dublin tailor their whole training programme."
Munster doesn't seed semifinals. And Meath v Dublin could've been a QF this year.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16782 - 16/07/2025 14:30:18    2626094

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Replying To tirawleybaron:  "The fact is that the best championship in the country is in Ulster - which has no fixed element at all.
Leinster seeds qfinals, Munster seeds semi finals and Connacht has a partial fix of qfinals.

Generally, the best championship matches have been first round matches were the big guns draw each other.
A draw like that effects the way a Kerry/Galway/Dublin tailor their whole training programme."
Exactly.

This is a terrible topic and completely self serving....

Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 4597 - 16/07/2025 15:13:37    2626103

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The way Limerick voted isn't pleasing alot of Limerick people, not sure why their CB did that -

Limerick players, management and GAA officials to meet after vote 'kick in the arse' - Limerick Live https://share.google/IwxMN3xLtLiP1H1b1

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16782 - 07/08/2025 18:08:49    2630465

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Replying To Fionn:  "Exactly.

This is a terrible topic and completely self serving...."
Kwrry beat pick of them either way it's not their fault pl bakme munster council and limerick evn for seeding it. I don't like it either doesn't matter most times every year kerry beat all of them anyway cork incljded

Gaaforlife2023 (Longford) - Posts: 888 - 07/08/2025 23:00:25    2630487

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Replying To Canuck:  "A seeded draw is nothing short of cheating. Called an open draw but two teams not in the hat. If you want a shot at a Cork v Kerry final then you need to do a round robin."
Agree however also think mostly likely kerry and whoever not chance at minute would anyone beat them

Gaaforlife2023 (Longford) - Posts: 888 - 07/08/2025 23:01:27    2630489

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Replying To Canuck:  "Limerick got to the final of the next highest level competition and acquitted themselves well. Where would that put them in the standings and why would they be denied the right to play in a Muster final just to give advantage to Kerry and Cork."
Advantage to kerry how exactly they beat cork semi final last year and most years blame munster council for the unfairness aside that kerry well ahead in munster

Gaaforlife2023 (Longford) - Posts: 888 - 07/08/2025 23:02:46    2630490

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Replying To BaldyBadger:  "If Kerry played in Ulster throughout their history, they'd likely have more titles than less. You look at this through the last 35 years and say they'd have less titles. However, the previous 100 years before that, they'd have probably won 80 to 90 Ulster titles as it was by far the weakest province. It's easy to forget Cork had a proud Munster record for most of the c. 100 years before 2010, albeit Kerry did still win c. 2x fir every Cork win over that period."
Good analysis hate the ulster blowing uo competitive yes kerry may not have many but they wouldn't have 75 percent else that's nonsense from bitter monaghan man

Gaaforlife2023 (Longford) - Posts: 888 - 07/08/2025 23:04:21    2630491

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Replying To ORIELMAN85:  "I have an idea. Put Kerry in the Ulster Championship and cut their titles by 75%."
Kerry entered an Ulster championship this year consisting of Cavan, Armagh, Tyrone and Donegal. Tough out! It was great!

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 9098 - 08/08/2025 09:58:50    2630509

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There are 6 teams in Munster, 5 in Connacht, 9 in Ulster and 10 in Leinster.

Mayo, Galway and Kerry are swimming in provincial titles.

A combined Munster/Connacht championship, with London placed into Ulster would really balance the provincials

Then only 6 spots would be reserved for provincial finalists - the other two for the div 1 league finalists.

A provincial championship with Kerry away to Galway/Mayo/Cork/Roscommon would get the championship firing nice and early.
Having to face Kerry every summer to win a provincial would force Mayo and Galway up a few notches and help them win the big one.

tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1553 - 08/08/2025 12:29:36    2630539

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Clare have beaten Waterford and Tipperary over the last two years to take the place of a higher league opponent. Down were denied an All Ireland place in 2024 and Offaly were denied an All Ireland place in 2025.
With provincial finalists currently qualifying for the All Ireland series, arguably all provinces should have their top 2 ranked counties on either side of their draw.
A few years ago Sligo beat London and New York to qualify for the All-Ireland. Meath lost out then on that occasion despite remaining in Division 2!

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 9098 - 08/08/2025 12:55:44    2630549

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Replying To tirawleybaron:  "There are 6 teams in Munster, 5 in Connacht, 9 in Ulster and 10 in Leinster.

Mayo, Galway and Kerry are swimming in provincial titles.

A combined Munster/Connacht championship, with London placed into Ulster would really balance the provincials

Then only 6 spots would be reserved for provincial finalists - the other two for the div 1 league finalists.

A provincial championship with Kerry away to Galway/Mayo/Cork/Roscommon would get the championship firing nice and early.
Having to face Kerry every summer to win a provincial would force Mayo and Galway up a few notches and help them win the big one."
God love us and guard us but do you seriously imagine the Connacht and Munster council's would agree to that unless Croke Park promises them a pot of Gold.Even then the weaker counties in both provinces would block it.

jobber (Westmeath) - Posts: 1771 - 09/08/2025 09:33:39    2630688

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Replying To tirawleybaron:  "There are 6 teams in Munster, 5 in Connacht, 9 in Ulster and 10 in Leinster.

Mayo, Galway and Kerry are swimming in provincial titles.

A combined Munster/Connacht championship, with London placed into Ulster would really balance the provincials

Then only 6 spots would be reserved for provincial finalists - the other two for the div 1 league finalists.

A provincial championship with Kerry away to Galway/Mayo/Cork/Roscommon would get the championship firing nice and early.
Having to face Kerry every summer to win a provincial would force Mayo and Galway up a few notches and help them win the big one."
You put up a lot of sensible posts but this is not one of them!

Seanfan (Roscommon) - Posts: 51 - 09/08/2025 10:22:45    2630690

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On foot of the Munster Council decision, if Clare are on Cork's side of the draw - Cork being Cork, there's a high possibility Clare will be fired up and knock them out!
Looking at Division 2 then, high chance Cork will be relegated. I've no doubt Clare and Limerick have ambitions to be competing in Munster finals and to be competitive in the All Ireland series. There needs to be a bit of realism that getting to Division 2 is the platform for being competitive. While the Munster seeding is understandably controversial, it does encourage all Munster counties including Cork to maintain Division 2 status at least. There can be a rush sometimes to criticise instead of looking at the bigger picture.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 9098 - 09/08/2025 11:27:52    2630702

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Replying To tirawleybaron:  "There are 6 teams in Munster, 5 in Connacht, 9 in Ulster and 10 in Leinster.

Mayo, Galway and Kerry are swimming in provincial titles.

A combined Munster/Connacht championship, with London placed into Ulster would really balance the provincials

Then only 6 spots would be reserved for provincial finalists - the other two for the div 1 league finalists.

A provincial championship with Kerry away to Galway/Mayo/Cork/Roscommon would get the championship firing nice and early.
Having to face Kerry every summer to win a provincial would force Mayo and Galway up a few notches and help them win the big one."
Time to get rid of provincials all together. Dublin, kerry,mayo and Galway winning every year and provincials just a inconvenience on their way to later stages of championship. 78% of Munster,Leinster and Connaught has been won by those 4 teams in past 25 years. Even Ulster where it's seen as the only competitive championship Monaghan,Cavan,Derry, Antrim,Fermanagh and Down have won 13 championships between them in last 40 years. They had a purpose before the back door but not now. Seed all 32 teams in championship 4 leagues of 8 teams home and away top 4 into semi finals 5 and 6 are out and 7th and 8th play in relegation final. Have all Ireland championship finals weekend similar with league finals last year. Div 2 and 3 on the Saturday and div 4 and 1 on the Sunday.

camánouttathat (Wexford) - Posts: 78 - 09/08/2025 14:20:57    2630724

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Replying To camánouttathat:  "Time to get rid of provincials all together. Dublin, kerry,mayo and Galway winning every year and provincials just a inconvenience on their way to later stages of championship. 78% of Munster,Leinster and Connaught has been won by those 4 teams in past 25 years. Even Ulster where it's seen as the only competitive championship Monaghan,Cavan,Derry, Antrim,Fermanagh and Down have won 13 championships between them in last 40 years. They had a purpose before the back door but not now. Seed all 32 teams in championship 4 leagues of 8 teams home and away top 4 into semi finals 5 and 6 are out and 7th and 8th play in relegation final. Have all Ireland championship finals weekend similar with league finals last year. Div 2 and 3 on the Saturday and div 4 and 1 on the Sunday."
If you are going to run it like that why bother having the League at all? I'm not saying it's a bad idea BTW, I think it's a good idea. You could run the Provincials instead of the League, as straight knock out, and teams could use them as preparation for AI Championships.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16782 - 09/08/2025 14:37:02    2630726

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Replying To Viking66:  "If you are going to run it like that why bother having the League at all? I'm not saying it's a bad idea BTW, I think it's a good idea. You could run the Provincials instead of the League, as straight knock out, and teams could use them as preparation for AI Championships."
I wouldn't have the league either. I'd have the league for the first year to arrange seedings then scrap it after that. And yeah I'd agree with having provincials as prep competition before all Ireland series.

camánouttathat (Wexford) - Posts: 78 - 09/08/2025 15:26:56    2630738

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Replying To camánouttathat:  "I wouldn't have the league either. I'd have the league for the first year to arrange seedings then scrap it after that. And yeah I'd agree with having provincials as prep competition before all Ireland series."
why not have a season structure like in soccer where you have different competitions running through the season. you dont have to run a competition in full before the next one starts.

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3799 - 10/08/2025 11:42:14    2630831

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Replying To KillingFields:  "why not have a season structure like in soccer where you have different competitions running through the season. you dont have to run a competition in full before the next one starts."
Arguments I would have against that is

1. They are professionals while GAA is amateurs. GAA has both county and club hurling and football where a lot of players would play both, while soccer just has the one code. So if you have a dual player he could be expected to play 9 or 10 games with the county and the similar if not double with the club. That's 6-8 months of games for an amateur not including club provincials.

2. Cost of going to games is increasing aswell as cost of living. If there's more and more games at the one time, supporters less likely to go to secondary competitions and nothing worse than playing games in front of empty stadiums. The one reason I would have the provincials at the start as counties use it for warm up for the championship and to appease the provincial councils

3. You see how the League Cup and FA cup have less significance now than when it was a pathway to play in Europe. Most teams in Premier League concentrate on the League and throw second or third teams in cups until the latter stages of it. GAA teams while throw second teams into secondary competitions so star players won't get fatigued or injured and if counties don't take the competition seriously what's point in having it.

camánouttathat (Wexford) - Posts: 78 - 10/08/2025 12:29:51    2630841

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Replying To Viking66:  "If you are going to run it like that why bother having the League at all? I'm not saying it's a bad idea BTW, I think it's a good idea. You could run the Provincials instead of the League, as straight knock out, and teams could use them as preparation for AI Championships."
Aren't Croke Park exploring bringing back replays for provincial finals? Not a sign of provincials being nudged out.
The league is a big favourite with players. 4 balanced divisions of 8. Munster seeding is a sensitive topic but Clare and Limerick should be looking at improving their league standing to back up their desire to be competing in Munster finals and the All Ireland series.
If Clare are just depending on beating their lower league Munster rivals for making the Munster final and All Ireland series, they aren't really giving themselves a solid platform to be competitive. Clare have competed in three All Ireland group stages. They haven't really progressed as of yet.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 9098 - 10/08/2025 20:39:57    2630942

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