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I think this year is a big shake up year. There's a lot of changes going on with the rules meaning the form book from the last few years is less reliable than before. The link of the championship to the league means that this will be baked into the structure for the next year or two. I don't like the current championship structure at all - teams can't build through the Tailteann cup; a promotion isn't a promotion as they only go up for a year. Teams can only build through the league. Last year's winners Down could go well this year and for example get to an All Ireland Semi Final but having been relegated - still be at the mercy of provincial final pairings to get back in to Sam Maguire in 2026. We need to link Championship form to Championship promotion/relegation. brianb (Kildare) - Posts: 452 - 12/05/2025 09:39:36 2608687 Link 2 |
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@We need to link Championship form to Championship promotion/relegation. omahant (USA) - Posts: 3286 - 15/05/2025 03:21:33 2609730 Link 0 |
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Leitrim 1-18 Sligo 2-19 county man (Limerick) - Posts: 1145 - 18/05/2025 18:35:24 2610700 Link 0 |
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Preliminary Quarter-Finals draw legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8906 - 01/06/2025 19:15:07 2614106 Link 0 |
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No, Kerry?
foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 2295 - 02/06/2025 03:32:38 2614210 Link 0 |
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Offaly Westmeath Sligo Wexford Can teams meet each other from same group in quarter final ? ie Westmeath v Limerick OpenStand (Limerick) - Posts: 750 - 02/06/2025 13:50:16 2614306 Link 0 |
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The GAA have confirmed the following Tailteann Cup fixtures. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8906 - 02/06/2025 18:09:17 2614379 Link 0 |
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Repeat pairings avoided where possible so no
Bluelake (Westmeath) - Posts: 265 - 05/06/2025 12:47:35 2615053 Link 0 |
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Offaly and Westmeath would have been expected to win their groups. Win this weekend and they'll be traveling away in the quarter finals. Only one away team got through the preliminary quarter-finals last year. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8906 - 06/06/2025 20:28:07 2615419 Link 0 |
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Well there are obvious reasons when you look at the current odds to win the Tailteann Cup outright-Wexford [34] Wicklow [34] Antrim [41] Carlow [51] and that is not to mention the 5 teams already knocked out. These odds indicate that these counties stand little to no chance of actually winning the T.C but a third tier [an All Ireland] would be an attainable target to aim for[apart possibly from Waterford London and New York].
edu (Mayo) - Posts: 111 - 07/06/2025 10:29:40 2615458 Link 0 |
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Wicklow [34] Antrim [41] Carlow [51] and that is not to mention the 5 teams already knocked out. These odds indicate that these counties stand little to no chance of actually winning the T.C but a third tier [an All Ireland] would be an attainable target to aim for[apart possibly from Waterford London and New York]."]Winning the TC is actually more attainable for those counties you mention than winning Sam Maguire is for Clare, Louth, Cavan, Roscommon, Meath … I could go on. So if there's to be a third tier it shouldn't be below the TC it should be above it. In other words it would involve reducing teams in Sam to I'd say max 10 and taking the weakest 6, maybe even 8, out of Sam and into an intermediate competition. That won't be welcomed of course as those counties all like to think they are contenders or are improving and might be contenders … when we all know they're not. They're just the warm up providers for the serious counties. The Kerry Roscommon game recently a perfect example. If you reduce TC to just Div 4 teams (who are sick of playing one another each year in the league), then you'll destroy those teams as players will walk away. It'll be like the Tommy Murphy Cup … attainable but completely unattractive and not worth sticking around for the summer to try win never mind play in. Onion Breath (Carlow) - Posts: 1594 - 07/06/2025 11:44:24 2615470 Link 0 |
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The top half teams in Division 4 can challenge Division 3 teams and relegated Division 2 teams. The likes of Offaly, Kildare and Westmeath should be pushing for two rounds of All Ireland qualifiers. 23 playing off for the 7 league spots. The Tailteann 16 only needed to be an open draw knockout for those missing out on the All Ireland after two bites at the cherry. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8906 - 07/06/2025 12:54:14 2615483 Link 0 |
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Antrim [41] Carlow [51] and that is not to mention the 5 teams already knocked out. These odds indicate that these counties stand little to no chance of actually winning the T.C but a third tier [an All Ireland] would be an attainable target to aim for[apart possibly from Waterford London and New York]."]Winning the TC is actually more attainable for those counties you mention than winning Sam Maguire is for Clare, Louth, Cavan, Roscommon, Meath … I could go on. So if there's to be a third tier it shouldn't be below the TC it should be above it. In other words it would involve reducing teams in Sam to I'd say max 10 and taking the weakest 6, maybe even 8, out of Sam and into an intermediate competition. That won't be welcomed of course as those counties all like to think they are contenders or are improving and might be contenders … when we all know they're not. They're just the warm up providers for the serious counties. The Kerry Roscommon game recently a perfect example. If you reduce TC to just Div 4 teams (who are sick of playing one another each year in the league), then you'll destroy those teams as players will walk away. It'll be like the Tommy Murphy Cup … attainable but completely unattractive and not worth sticking around for the summer to try win never mind play in."]You have a point in that there's probably a top 12 for Sam, 10 for TC and then 10 or 11 if NY for whatever competition ya want to call it. It wouldn't probably lead to a whole lot of change for the lower Division 4 teams as this year it'd be all of them and Leitrim, Antrim. Even if you go to 12 it's only adding in Laois and Sligo which wouldn't dramatically change things and all teams would be fairly familiar with each other. It would lead to a very interesting second tier competition, however I don't see the powers that be altering with the structure after next year for a good while. With knockout will come the odd surprise and you'll have the usual condescension on Sunday game saying isnt it great that the Waterfords, Londons take part and caused an upset by beating someone in a knockout format. The lower tiers don't bring in revenue or media attention until the latter stages any further changes won't help it either. How many pass any heed of the Christy Ring not to mention the tiers below it in hurling. Sligoman1234 (Sligo) - Posts: 530 - 07/06/2025 14:14:03 2615496 Link 0 |
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A third tier would not really work under the current set up. Where a third tier would really come into its own is in a restructured competition of three tiers with promotion and relegation between the tiers aka all other branches of gaelic sports. Mayo last week lost the final of the All Ireland fourth tier [hurling]. I can tell you players and management were bitterly disappointed. It was a competition they took very seriously right from the start with the ultimate aim of glory in Croke Park. They will of course do the same next season. No question of players not wanting to partake and walking away just because it is a lower tier competition. It is after all their All Ireland. Maybe footballers are different but are they really. Maybe more players in the lesser counties would be willing to commit to the inter county scene if they knew they were in with a chance of winning an All Ireland medal albeit a lower tier one. edu (Mayo) - Posts: 111 - 07/06/2025 14:33:49 2615499 Link 0 |
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Antrim [41] Carlow [51] and that is not to mention the 5 teams already knocked out. These odds indicate that these counties stand little to no chance of actually winning the T.C but a third tier [an All Ireland] would be an attainable target to aim for[apart possibly from Waterford London and New York]."]Winning the TC is actually more attainable for those counties you mention than winning Sam Maguire is for Clare, Louth, Cavan, Roscommon, Meath … I could go on. So if there's to be a third tier it shouldn't be below the TC it should be above it. In other words it would involve reducing teams in Sam to I'd say max 10 and taking the weakest 6, maybe even 8, out of Sam and into an intermediate competition. That won't be welcomed of course as those counties all like to think they are contenders or are improving and might be contenders … when we all know they're not. They're just the warm up providers for the serious counties. The Kerry Roscommon game recently a perfect example. If you reduce TC to just Div 4 teams (who are sick of playing one another each year in the league), then you'll destroy those teams as players will walk away. It'll be like the Tommy Murphy Cup … attainable but completely unattractive and not worth sticking around for the summer to try win never mind play in."]An excellent post. supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 3193 - 07/06/2025 14:33:55 2615501 Link 0 |
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Wicklow [34] Antrim [41] Carlow [51] and that is not to mention the 5 teams already knocked out. These odds indicate that these counties stand little to no chance of actually winning the T.C but a third tier [an All Ireland] would be an attainable target to aim for[apart possibly from Waterford London and New York]."]Some of this is because Kildare is in this competition instead of Clare. It'd be more open if Kildare (they're like 1 in 3 to win). weren't there and the same in season 1 where Meath really should have been in Sam. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4565 - 07/06/2025 15:17:34 2615509 Link 0 |
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When see the offaly v NYC score hard not to feel for Leitrim missing out. macca999 (Fermanagh) - Posts: 1174 - 07/06/2025 15:17:45 2615510 Link 0 |
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The Tailteann Cup will have the winners 2A and losers 2B rounds. I thought there was some mention that New York would start in Round 2A but that would mean they are guaranteed a second game. If New York start in Round 2B, two Round 1 losers would need to playoff for Round 2B.
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8906 - 07/06/2025 15:42:11 2615525 Link 0 |
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One sided games today. Offaly and Westmeath comfortably through to the quarter finals. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8906 - 07/06/2025 19:06:34 2615586 Link 0 |
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Antrim [41] Carlow [51] and that is not to mention the 5 teams already knocked out. These odds indicate that these counties stand little to no chance of actually winning the T.C but a third tier [an All Ireland] would be an attainable target to aim for[apart possibly from Waterford London and New York]."]Some of this is because Kildare is in this competition instead of Clare. It'd be more open if Kildare (they're like 1 in 3 to win). weren't there and the same in season 1 where Meath really should have been in Sam."]The Tailteann Cup has usually suffered from a few teams been in it that probably shouldn't be. The competition winners since inception have been Westmeath, Meath and Down, and the finalists been teams of similar stature also in Cavan, Down twice and Laois probably a bit of an anomaly last year. This year it'll come down to Westmeath, Offaly, Kildare and probably Sligo again. So it's been completely dominated by teams who were relegated from Div 2, or at the top of division 3. I think the competition would be much better served by reducing the numbers to 12, and increasing the Sam Maguire to 20. If Kildare, Offaly, Sligo or Westmeath were in Sam this year under the new rules, they wouldn't be completely out of place. I mean they're not going to win it, but either are half the teams in Sam Maguire anyway. The new rules have brough teams closer together, and has closed the gap. The Tailteann Cup was introduced under the old rules, but so far it's been dominated by teams who shouldn't be in it. Cabbagepatch1667 (Meath) - Posts: 25 - 07/06/2025 21:19:38 2615613 Link 0 |