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I see Laois have already appointed their minor and u20 manager for next year. Any update on our management search they need to be out scouting for players and planning for next year.
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Replying To Timbertony: "Except, when they did commit to the Wexford panel, Oisin was part of a HF line in Egan's last season that hardly won a ball between them. He was anonymous v Dublin and Galway from memory. Paudie, not sure I remember his long distance shooting from play or frees being all that accurate. Fanning still took a lot of the frees.
Sure if they committed, which is a big if, they would be in the 26 for sure. But world beaters they aren't. Unlikely to have improved as hurlers the longer away from the panel they have been too.
I thought Cian Molloy should have been our 6 this year and he and our team would have been better for it. Rossi wasted another year with Damien Reck there and going back to Paudie Foley in such a key position would be a backward step I reckon." I think if we take Damien out of 6 we will need a sweeper again or we will leak goals. Think Patsy is better longterm at 5 or 7, good defensively, going forwards, good distribution, good in the air, if we continue with the same set up we have. With the modern roving 11 most if not all top counties are using its probably best to select a man marker at 15 and tell him to mark the 11. Be it Mannion, Lynch, Barron, Morris or whoever. Most counties are only playing 2 inside full time, including us, dropping one of the inside forwards to the middle 3rd. If he's going to be there anyway you may as well get him to pick up the opposing 11, who is usually operating all round the middle 3rd these days anyway.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16718 - 29/07/2025 09:38:01
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Replying To Afinestick96: "I agree Cian Molloy has to be centre back next year. I wouldnt be recalling Paudie Foley think hes 32 next year and has been away from county hurling for a while now. Would call back Oisin given he will be 28 I think next year if hes willing to commit he could be a big asset for us in the forwards" Think Paudie is only 29/30 hurled same agegroup as Kevin and Jippo. Oisin hurled on the very good 2018 u21 team. Their age is irrelevant if neither wants to play intercounty though.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16718 - 29/07/2025 09:55:00
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Replying To Afinestick96: "I see Laois have already appointed their minor and u20 manager for next year. Any update on our management search they need to be out scouting for players and planning for next year." Haven't heard anything. I wouldn't be against the u20 management being given another go tbh.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16718 - 29/07/2025 09:55:55
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Replying To Viking66: "Think Paudie is only 29/30 hurled same agegroup as Kevin and Jippo. Oisin hurled on the very good 2018 u21 team. Their age is irrelevant if neither wants to play intercounty though." Both Fioley's have said quite clearly that they are not interested in playing for the county team.
Management should not be running around begging them to commit.
Myself and others have posted about this many times. Let's concentrate on lads who are committed.
The two brothers are entitled to travel or do what they want. They are not contracted.
They made their decision so that's it.
Magpie2 (Wexford) - Posts: 542 - 29/07/2025 11:29:44
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Replying To Magpie2: "Both Fioley's have said quite clearly that they are not interested in playing for the county team.
Management should not be running around begging them to commit.
Myself and others have posted about this many times. Let's concentrate on lads who are committed.
The two brothers are entitled to travel or do what they want. They are not contracted.
They made their decision so that's it." They are odd anyway.
countyman2022 (Wexford) - Posts: 866 - 29/07/2025 11:33:22
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Replying To Viking66: "Haven't heard anything. I wouldn't be against the u20 management being given another go tbh." Jesus I dont know I was very disappointed in the u20 displays this year apart from the Dublin game
Afinestick96 (Wexford) - Posts: 684 - 29/07/2025 11:53:22
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Lads comparisons with Tipp are frankly laughable.
Look at their record. We have won ONE U21 All-Ireland, in 1965. They have won ELEVEN, and FOUR of these have been since 2000. Since 2000, we have made three finals and been hockeyed in 2 of them by 9 and 16 points and lost a semi-final to Antrim.
Minor is even worse, we have won THREE and the last been in 1968. Tipperary have won 22 and have won 7 and lost 5 finals since we last appeared in a final.
Tipp BELIEVE they belong at the top table and I see that from my girlfriend family. They don't lack Tipp confidence but you need to be confident to keep winning. We would think confidence is something to be knocked out of a player.
You don't have to win lots at underage to be successful at senior but you do have to win from time to time and at very least be winning Leinster and competitive in All-Ireland series but we have a dismal record bar bar beating Kilkenny a few times. But Kilkenny are not the trail blazers they once were.
The point is, any Munster county has the attitude "its only Wexford, what have they ever won" once they play us at any level. We'll point (and posters on here guilty of this) to "oh we bet everybody in the league in the last 3 years" or some pointless statistic like that. They'll snicker and say "yes, league, whatever". We'll point to "our minors beat Cork" but the point is we didn't pick up the cup and bring it home so who we beat is a moot point.
We need to start judging ourselves on winning cups and not individual results. Teams competing at senior A colleges is all well and good, but as said before competing in the comp and competing vs St. Kieran's is different gravy.
Our 2019 team believed they could beat Kilkenny because they all had. At U20. Conor McDonald probably went out in 2019 saying "who the fk is he, I scored 5 points off him at u20" about some Kilkenny player. That is why winning u20 and minor is so important, it sows seeds of doubt in opponents.
It'll be 12 years next year since Kilkenny won a minor All-Ireland yet we are so poor they have made 4 finals since then. And then we lose to Laois at home at U20. You can't bring that management team back for many reasons.
I don't understand how alarm bells could not be ringing loudly here, we are off the pace at every level and only we can change that.
StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1912 - 29/07/2025 12:22:45
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Replying To Viking66: "The most successful colleges currently are in Limerick, Galway and Cork, plus DCU. We have had good representation on DCU teams the last couple of years, and the Cork, Galway and Limerick colleges tend to recruit locally.
As regards getting 2 Wexford schools more competitive in Leinster PP A that's not something Wexford GAA can do much about. You would primarily need to take that up with the Dept of Education and Bus Eireann. Where in years gone by most of the best hurlers went to GCC or Peters if you look at the make up of our current underage development squads far more of them attend other schools. At the same time in fairness Peters are training more days of the week the last 2 years, and their 1st and 2nd year teams are much better for it." Those colleges recruit locally because that is where the best hurlers are.
If the hurlers were good enough they would be headhunting.
StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1912 - 29/07/2025 12:26:10
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Replying To Doylerwex: "What year did you go to college?
Some of that is down to economics. When I was in UCD we had good representation as well, loads studying ag science. Is that still the case?
Are more getting trades again rather than third level?
You can't deny a large number of Wexford people go to dit and Carlow. We would always have had good numbers there but I suppose you are asking the right questions." I went to college in 2015. I don't think there are that many lads getting trades, at least not top hurlers unless it has changed the last few years.
I don't claim to have all the answers but our weak representation in Fitzgibbon is yet another alarm bell.
StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1912 - 29/07/2025 12:28:05
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What players should we expect to see more of next year?
I think the big thing I noticed this year is that we lacked size and physicality everywhere. This was really noticeable when jippo was missing. Our forwards are on the smaller side of things too (Byrne, Casey, Dunbar, Foley). I really think we need to change it up. Reck at 6 hasn't worked. It feels like we haven't had a proper game strategy or plan to play to our strengths since Davy. I wouldn't be very optimistic we will see much change next year either, we seem to just resign ourselves to the same mediocre displays every year with the same fringe players who have repeatedly failed. In saying that there are a core of very good players in Chin, jippo, the Recks, Hearne, ROC and Conor mac.
the_post (USA) - Posts: 187 - 29/07/2025 12:31:51
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Replying To StoreysTash: "Those colleges recruit locally because that is where the best hurlers are.
If the hurlers were good enough they would be headhunting." Those colleges have a greater pick because they are in counties with way more good hurlers. Cork and Galway have huge underage numbers, while UL pick from Clare, Limerick and Tipp.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16718 - 29/07/2025 14:23:22
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Replying To Afinestick96: "Jesus I dont know I was very disappointed in the u20 displays this year apart from the Dublin game" They were missing the best up to the age player all year because he got injured playing Senior, they were without one of the other best 3 for most of it due to injury. Other lads up to the age seem to have gone backwards, and the minor decoupling meant that noone else had even played a single club adult game yet.
I liked the way they set up the team tactically, didn't agree with all the personnel selected or their positions, but most of the on pitch problems were directly down to size and physicality, which should be better next year as most of that team are still eligible at the grade again next year.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16718 - 29/07/2025 14:28:54
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Has anyone heard about meetings the players have had with management? Any feedback from it. We are in a serious phase of transition, there are 18 players involved from the '22 & '23 U20 setups, it's going to take another year or two for this to show.
After the All Ireland, one of the Tipp players had said about how Darragh McCarthy is in the pitch EVERY DAY hitting frees and hurling, can that be said about any of our current crop of players? Let's call a spade a spade, outside of formal training sessions, lads should be doing stuff themselves every other day be it hurling or recovery or whatever, does anyone believe Wexford lads are doing this? I for one don't. We can talk about tactics and poor decisions on the sideline etc, is there ever an element where players need to take responsibility as well for what they actually put into it?
We may stop talking about the Foleys too, they don't want to hurl for Wexford and that's their choices. And there can be guaranteed to be a few retirements this year again.
wexfan09 (Wexford) - Posts: 36 - 29/07/2025 14:31:03
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Replying To StoreysTash: "Lads comparisons with Tipp are frankly laughable.
Look at their record. We have won ONE U21 All-Ireland, in 1965. They have won ELEVEN, and FOUR of these have been since 2000. Since 2000, we have made three finals and been hockeyed in 2 of them by 9 and 16 points and lost a semi-final to Antrim.
Minor is even worse, we have won THREE and the last been in 1968. Tipperary have won 22 and have won 7 and lost 5 finals since we last appeared in a final.
Tipp BELIEVE they belong at the top table and I see that from my girlfriend family. They don't lack Tipp confidence but you need to be confident to keep winning. We would think confidence is something to be knocked out of a player.
You don't have to win lots at underage to be successful at senior but you do have to win from time to time and at very least be winning Leinster and competitive in All-Ireland series but we have a dismal record bar bar beating Kilkenny a few times. But Kilkenny are not the trail blazers they once were.
The point is, any Munster county has the attitude "its only Wexford, what have they ever won" once they play us at any level. We'll point (and posters on here guilty of this) to "oh we bet everybody in the league in the last 3 years" or some pointless statistic like that. They'll snicker and say "yes, league, whatever". We'll point to "our minors beat Cork" but the point is we didn't pick up the cup and bring it home so who we beat is a moot point.
We need to start judging ourselves on winning cups and not individual results. Teams competing at senior A colleges is all well and good, but as said before competing in the comp and competing vs St. Kieran's is different gravy.
Our 2019 team believed they could beat Kilkenny because they all had. At U20. Conor McDonald probably went out in 2019 saying "who the fk is he, I scored 5 points off him at u20" about some Kilkenny player. That is why winning u20 and minor is so important, it sows seeds of doubt in opponents.
It'll be 12 years next year since Kilkenny won a minor All-Ireland yet we are so poor they have made 4 finals since then. And then we lose to Laois at home at U20. You can't bring that management team back for many reasons.
I don't understand how alarm bells could not be ringing loudly here, we are off the pace at every level and only we can change that." I know quite a few people from Tipp and I agree they are confident when speaking about how good their hurlers are, not in an arrogant way like some of the Cork crowd do, but Tipp people know their hurlers are good enough to win All Irelands, its an ingrained confidence. Kilkenny would be similar, though Tipp fans don't hide their passion like KK, KK people are quite reserved in support of their county.
And it comes down to success, Tipp have won 4 All Irelands in the last 15 years, that in itself is going to give you great confidence as a manager involved, a player and as a supporter.
You can't fake it.
Past hurler (None) - Posts: 974 - 29/07/2025 14:38:26
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Replying To wexfan09: "Has anyone heard about meetings the players have had with management? Any feedback from it. We are in a serious phase of transition, there are 18 players involved from the '22 & '23 U20 setups, it's going to take another year or two for this to show.
After the All Ireland, one of the Tipp players had said about how Darragh McCarthy is in the pitch EVERY DAY hitting frees and hurling, can that be said about any of our current crop of players? Let's call a spade a spade, outside of formal training sessions, lads should be doing stuff themselves every other day be it hurling or recovery or whatever, does anyone believe Wexford lads are doing this? I for one don't. We can talk about tactics and poor decisions on the sideline etc, is there ever an element where players need to take responsibility as well for what they actually put into it?
We may stop talking about the Foleys too, they don't want to hurl for Wexford and that's their choices. And there can be guaranteed to be a few retirements this year again." Think you are wronging the players there, they are practicing pretty much every day, at least the ones I know of do. I don't know of any who don't.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16718 - 29/07/2025 14:39:56
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Replying To StoreysTash: "Lads comparisons with Tipp are frankly laughable.
Look at their record. We have won ONE U21 All-Ireland, in 1965. They have won ELEVEN, and FOUR of these have been since 2000. Since 2000, we have made three finals and been hockeyed in 2 of them by 9 and 16 points and lost a semi-final to Antrim.
Minor is even worse, we have won THREE and the last been in 1968. Tipperary have won 22 and have won 7 and lost 5 finals since we last appeared in a final.
Tipp BELIEVE they belong at the top table and I see that from my girlfriend family. They don't lack Tipp confidence but you need to be confident to keep winning. We would think confidence is something to be knocked out of a player.
You don't have to win lots at underage to be successful at senior but you do have to win from time to time and at very least be winning Leinster and competitive in All-Ireland series but we have a dismal record bar bar beating Kilkenny a few times. But Kilkenny are not the trail blazers they once were.
The point is, any Munster county has the attitude "its only Wexford, what have they ever won" once they play us at any level. We'll point (and posters on here guilty of this) to "oh we bet everybody in the league in the last 3 years" or some pointless statistic like that. They'll snicker and say "yes, league, whatever". We'll point to "our minors beat Cork" but the point is we didn't pick up the cup and bring it home so who we beat is a moot point.
We need to start judging ourselves on winning cups and not individual results. Teams competing at senior A colleges is all well and good, but as said before competing in the comp and competing vs St. Kieran's is different gravy.
Our 2019 team believed they could beat Kilkenny because they all had. At U20. Conor McDonald probably went out in 2019 saying "who the fk is he, I scored 5 points off him at u20" about some Kilkenny player. That is why winning u20 and minor is so important, it sows seeds of doubt in opponents.
It'll be 12 years next year since Kilkenny won a minor All-Ireland yet we are so poor they have made 4 finals since then. And then we lose to Laois at home at U20. You can't bring that management team back for many reasons.
I don't understand how alarm bells could not be ringing loudly here, we are off the pace at every level and only we can change that." It's up to us collectively to change that "It's only Wexford" narrative. The only way to do that is start beating them regularly on the pitch.
And as regards that last line, it's up to ALL of us, not just some of us.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16718 - 29/07/2025 14:49:36
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Replying To wexfan09: "Has anyone heard about meetings the players have had with management? Any feedback from it. We are in a serious phase of transition, there are 18 players involved from the '22 & '23 U20 setups, it's going to take another year or two for this to show.
After the All Ireland, one of the Tipp players had said about how Darragh McCarthy is in the pitch EVERY DAY hitting frees and hurling, can that be said about any of our current crop of players? Let's call a spade a spade, outside of formal training sessions, lads should be doing stuff themselves every other day be it hurling or recovery or whatever, does anyone believe Wexford lads are doing this? I for one don't. We can talk about tactics and poor decisions on the sideline etc, is there ever an element where players need to take responsibility as well for what they actually put into it?
We may stop talking about the Foleys too, they don't want to hurl for Wexford and that's their choices. And there can be guaranteed to be a few retirements this year again." Didnt hear anything . Did anything come from these meetings? Would like to see a few new faces in the management team. Also I think Des Mythens comments about some players just happy to be in the panel were very controversial if he is going to be involved next year
Afinestick96 (Wexford) - Posts: 684 - 29/07/2025 15:03:10
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Replying To wexfan09: "Has anyone heard about meetings the players have had with management? Any feedback from it. We are in a serious phase of transition, there are 18 players involved from the '22 & '23 U20 setups, it's going to take another year or two for this to show.
After the All Ireland, one of the Tipp players had said about how Darragh McCarthy is in the pitch EVERY DAY hitting frees and hurling, can that be said about any of our current crop of players? Let's call a spade a spade, outside of formal training sessions, lads should be doing stuff themselves every other day be it hurling or recovery or whatever, does anyone believe Wexford lads are doing this? I for one don't. We can talk about tactics and poor decisions on the sideline etc, is there ever an element where players need to take responsibility as well for what they actually put into it?
We may stop talking about the Foleys too, they don't want to hurl for Wexford and that's their choices. And there can be guaranteed to be a few retirements this year again." Even our club free-taker is in our pitch at some stage nearly every day to practice. I regularly see many other players from our first team at the hurling wall or doing things by themselves on the pitch too, in between training sessions.
I'd be absolutely amazed if county players don't do the same, and I'd agree with the other poster above that you're doing them a disservice in suggesting it.
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Replying To Afinestick96: "Didnt hear anything . Did anything come from these meetings? Would like to see a few new faces in the management team. Also I think Des Mythens comments about some players just happy to be in the panel were very controversial if he is going to be involved next year" I didn't hear anything from such meetings either, but I wouldn't expect to, and wouldn't ask either, as I don't think anything should come out of such meetings to anyone other than people like the County Chairman and maybe a couple of others in positions where they'd need to know. Certainly don't think it should be for the general public.
I'd agree strongly re. what you say about Mythen's comments. I thought they were very ill-judged.
Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2990 - 29/07/2025 16:03:04
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