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Replying To Doylerwex:  "I'm not saying we're miles ahead or anything. That's obviously not the case. It is my belief that we have more technical hurlers. If you were to pick a combined 15 I think it would have more Wexford players on it.

On the other hand I don't disagree. Dublin absolutely have more guts and that's more important for winning matches."
Damien would be far more of a technically good hurler than Shane would. That's not to say Shane isn't a very effective hurler.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16412 - 26/06/2025 15:08:55    2621274

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Replying To Viking66:  "Damien would be far more of a technically good hurler than Shane would. That's not to say Shane isn't a very effective hurler."
Damien is the best all rounder we have in my opinion, or a toss up between him and Rory

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3772 - 26/06/2025 15:17:36    2621278

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "Damien is the best all rounder we have in my opinion, or a toss up between him and Rory"
Think Damien is more consistent than Rory. I think a team of 15 Damiens would beat a team of 15 Rorys most days. Then the odd day the Rorys would click and beat the Damiens by 30 points.
Definitely our 2 best hurlers under 30 by quite a wide margin.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16412 - 26/06/2025 15:55:03    2621291

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Replying To ElGranSenor:  "I agree that there's the lack of intensity in the team but I don't think it's quite the case that this current team are completely incapable of providing it. Intensity may look like it's a physical thing but it's really a mental thing (Does Limerick's fall-off in the absence of Caroline Curtis showcase this?), whether Keith is the man to bring it out in the players, I don't know although at the same time, as much as I believe this group of players can play with the intensity needed, there's no guarantee that they will"
It's completely a mental thing. I was sitting directly behind Keith Rossiter in Parnell Park this year. He spent most of the first 15 minutes telling lads like Dunbar, Mcguckin etc to calm down. Being as we were hardly raising a gallop at the time, and the lads werent flying into tackles hotheaded, I can only assume he was telling them this because they were nervous.
I already posted a longish post about fear, I'm not going to bore you with it again. But you can't do anything in life if you are half frozen with fear.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16412 - 26/06/2025 16:01:19    2621293

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "Damien is the best all rounder we have in my opinion, or a toss up between him and Rory"
Rory would skin Damien.

countyman2022 (Wexford) - Posts: 832 - 26/06/2025 16:18:59    2621300

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Replying To countyman2022:  "Rory would skin Damien."
How do you mean? If you threw a ball between them a dozen times I wouldn't say Rory would win them all.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16412 - 26/06/2025 16:24:37    2621306

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Replying To Wexfordgaa:  "Recks Shane barely hurled. Damien is injury prone aswell this year Jack probably best year but wasn't great Rory was not great chin different gravey Byrne was poor lack of supply I think cbd one game in a none rubber foleys aren't around Mac out only for a few mins. Yer point is more or less mute. How many will be here next year."
Conor and Kevin Foley hurled all year....

Injuries or form don't come into this discussion. The context is lads who have mastered all the core skills of the game to the point of being second nature.

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3772 - 26/06/2025 16:43:32    2621312

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Replying To countyman2022:  "Rory would skin Damien."
I decided a good while ago I'm not engaging with you.

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3772 - 26/06/2025 16:44:56    2621313

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Replying To ElGranSenor:  "I agree that there's the lack of intensity in the team but I don't think it's quite the case that this current team are completely incapable of providing it. Intensity may look like it's a physical thing but it's really a mental thing (Does Limerick's fall-off in the absence of Caroline Curtis showcase this?), whether Keith is the man to bring it out in the players, I don't know although at the same time, as much as I believe this group of players can play with the intensity needed, there's no guarantee that they will"
The change in Limerick is quite interesting to watch.

I called out several times how she was always held in the same esteem as Kiely among the players.

I said two years ago that momentum and muscle memory would get them through another all Ireland because the building blocks were there but there was a risk of them falling back.

Lads laughed at me.

This is an unbelievable case study to argue the importance of a top class psychologist. The value of it is incalculable.

It's more important than any athletic metric because all of our limitations are self imposed in our own minds.

Anyone who is a success at anything understands this and not always consciously.

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3772 - 26/06/2025 16:49:09    2621314

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Just reading the latest we have better players than Dublin Post. Lads it's time to stop that it's.not helping anyone.

Dublin a team we can beat only once in the last God knows how long years and we are meant to better than em.

They've just beaten Limerick without Eoin O'Donnell who's not committed this year to hurlers and also Donal Burke.

Not only that they had 14 men for most of it. They also traditionally had some serious hurlers that go with the footballers and that's still the case.

Comparatively I don't see how we are the same. They bring Hetherton out of relative obscurity and he changed a.few of the games including the one v Wexford.

Who could we bring in? Martin Storey maybe. All joking aside we are comparatively not even close

WEXILE (Wexford) - Posts: 427 - 26/06/2025 18:15:18    2621335

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "I'm not saying we're miles ahead or anything. That's obviously not the case. It is my belief that we have more technical hurlers. If you were to pick a combined 15 I think it would have more Wexford players on it.

On the other hand I don't disagree. Dublin absolutely have more guts and that's more important for winning matches."
Don't know about that, we have some very limited stickmen on the team. Not really a problem for the likes of Shane Reck who is a fantastic athlete and main job is to stop the best forward from playing. But it's a real problem for us with accurate deliveries from the HB line and long distance shooting. We also have the opposite problem, some of our most talented players have very little workrate or resilience to dig in during tough spells.

Timbertony (Wexford) - Posts: 430 - 26/06/2025 18:17:45    2621336

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "The change in Limerick is quite interesting to watch.

I called out several times how she was always held in the same esteem as Kiely among the players.

I said two years ago that momentum and muscle memory would get them through another all Ireland because the building blocks were there but there was a risk of them falling back.

Lads laughed at me.

This is an unbelievable case study to argue the importance of a top class psychologist. The value of it is incalculable.

It's more important than any athletic metric because all of our limitations are self imposed in our own minds.

Anyone who is a success at anything understands this and not always consciously."
Yeah, if you keep on telling yourself not good enough and hold doubts as to your own ability, you're at nothing, most high-achievers tend to back themselves no matter what, some people may laugh at others because of their self-belief and think they're deluded but those who laugh at that sort of stuff tend not to win much

ElGranSenor (Wexford) - Posts: 584 - 26/06/2025 18:21:32    2621337

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Replying To WEXILE:  "Just reading the latest we have better players than Dublin Post. Lads it's time to stop that it's.not helping anyone.

Dublin a team we can beat only once in the last God knows how long years and we are meant to better than em.

They've just beaten Limerick without Eoin O'Donnell who's not committed this year to hurlers and also Donal Burke.

Not only that they had 14 men for most of it. They also traditionally had some serious hurlers that go with the footballers and that's still the case.

Comparatively I don't see how we are the same. They bring Hetherton out of relative obscurity and he changed a.few of the games including the one v Wexford.

Who could we bring in? Martin Storey maybe. All joking aside we are comparatively not even close"
Ok... We'll go over it again.

There's a difference between having better individuals and being a better team. Dublin are absolutely fantastic at minimising mistakes. That's the difference. They are exceptionally fit, well coached and committed. There are a number of things we aren't doing that are preventing us from getting the best out of the resources we have.

Their achievement against Limerick is amazing, but let's be realistic, it is the shock of shocks in my lifetime. You'd have gotten longer odds on that in February than the euromillions jackpot in the bookies.

We beat Kilkenny in 2004. Did that make us better than them? Did we have better hurlers than they did?

I did acknowledge earlier that this isn't helpful though, so I'll drop it now.

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3772 - 26/06/2025 22:09:57    2621379

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Replying To WEXILE:  "Just reading the latest we have better players than Dublin Post. Lads it's time to stop that it's.not helping anyone.

Dublin a team we can beat only once in the last God knows how long years and we are meant to better than em.

They've just beaten Limerick without Eoin O'Donnell who's not committed this year to hurlers and also Donal Burke.

Not only that they had 14 men for most of it. They also traditionally had some serious hurlers that go with the footballers and that's still the case.

Comparatively I don't see how we are the same. They bring Hetherton out of relative obscurity and he changed a.few of the games including the one v Wexford.

Who could we bring in? Martin Storey maybe. All joking aside we are comparatively not even close"
Completely agree with you we are miles off Dublin and once they crack hurling its the final nail in our coffin. Wexford have a lot of good people involved and yes they are doing their best but we fool ourselves with this false positive crap thats being spoken we are miles off the top counties and until people at the top admit that and sort it out we will only get worse. We basicially just ahead of Offaly and now Kildare we have avoided relegation a few times now but our luck will end soon and we will be Joe Mc and maybe then action will be taken.

Bryson (Wexford) - Posts: 15 - 26/06/2025 22:51:37    2621388

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "I decided a good while ago I'm not engaging with you."
Good for you. Busy singing Boolavogue and marching up Vinegar Hill.

countyman2022 (Wexford) - Posts: 832 - 27/06/2025 07:53:27    2621404

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "Conor and Kevin Foley hurled all year....

Injuries or form don't come into this discussion. The context is lads who have mastered all the core skills of the game to the point of being second nature."
Sorry taught you were saying Oisin and Paudie foley. Of course form and injuries come into consideration

Wexfordgaa (Wexford) - Posts: 369 - 27/06/2025 09:37:31    2621416

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Replying To Bryson:  "Completely agree with you we are miles off Dublin and once they crack hurling its the final nail in our coffin. Wexford have a lot of good people involved and yes they are doing their best but we fool ourselves with this false positive crap thats being spoken we are miles off the top counties and until people at the top admit that and sort it out we will only get worse. We basicially just ahead of Offaly and now Kildare we have avoided relegation a few times now but our luck will end soon and we will be Joe Mc and maybe then action will be taken."
What action do you want see taken? And how much of that are you prepared to do yourself?

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16412 - 27/06/2025 09:40:48    2621417

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "Ok... We'll go over it again.

There's a difference between having better individuals and being a better team. Dublin are absolutely fantastic at minimising mistakes. That's the difference. They are exceptionally fit, well coached and committed. There are a number of things we aren't doing that are preventing us from getting the best out of the resources we have.

Their achievement against Limerick is amazing, but let's be realistic, it is the shock of shocks in my lifetime. You'd have gotten longer odds on that in February than the euromillions jackpot in the bookies.

We beat Kilkenny in 2004. Did that make us better than them? Did we have better hurlers than they did?

I did acknowledge earlier that this isn't helpful though, so I'll drop it now."
At the top level every mistake is important. Every second took too long to decide what to do is punished. If your reactions are a split second slow mentally, and/or you are slow physically, you aren't getting that ball. If you aren't 100% committed to picking it up cleanly or winning it in a ruck or in the air you aren't getting it either. If you are careless and don't take care of the ball and get turned over you are usually punished on the scoreboard.
These are some of the small margins. And on top of all that the game is getting faster and faster year on year also.
I like the way clubs are being encouraged to incorporate more game based training from u12 upwards. Clare and Limerick are at that years now. Teach young lads the skills in real life situations. All very well for an u12 to be able puck it 70 metres, but can he do it while he is running? And then can he do it when there's an opponent running with him? And can he be accurate? When the going gets harder does he hide? All these things are things that we need to be teaching our young lads earlier, so it's second nature by the time they get to minor.
There are numerous new ideas being introduced at underage over the last few years, we need at the very least to be up to date with what other counties are doing, but ideally we need to be the innovators if we are going to close the gap.
It's not a huge gap, the devil is in the detail.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16412 - 27/06/2025 09:52:23    2621420

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Replying To WEXILE:  "Just reading the latest we have better players than Dublin Post. Lads it's time to stop that it's.not helping anyone.

Dublin a team we can beat only once in the last God knows how long years and we are meant to better than em.

They've just beaten Limerick without Eoin O'Donnell who's not committed this year to hurlers and also Donal Burke.

Not only that they had 14 men for most of it. They also traditionally had some serious hurlers that go with the footballers and that's still the case.

Comparatively I don't see how we are the same. They bring Hetherton out of relative obscurity and he changed a.few of the games including the one v Wexford.

Who could we bring in? Martin Storey maybe. All joking aside we are comparatively not even close"
Agree exile, its playground stuff and frankly embarrassing, results are all that matter at this level.

wexford2012 (Wexford) - Posts: 119 - 27/06/2025 10:30:10    2621431

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