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Replying To StoreysTash: "Just finished watching, Kilkenny were just blown away by an excellent Tipp side.
I think its important to be realistic, Wexford are a mile off the pace. Laois knocked us out and Kilkenny still beat them well.
We need a team to come through and start breaking some of these glass ceilings for ourselves.
I hate talk about an "off day" because its just another excuse. Its a bit like "Wexford hate Thurles" like its a pitch with 2 goals. The problem we have is that we are not good enough to beat many teams who we play there I.e Munster counties.
Watching Brendan Cummins on the sideline this morning, he was absolutely up for it and I think Wexford are too calm in our sideline manner. I'm not promoting Davy antics but let the referee and linesman and 4th official know what you think.
But before that becomes a decider, we need to produce better players and that is the long and short of it." Again we need to be looking at what's actually going wrong between 15 to minor to 20.
We're producing better than most up to then.
Personally I think it's a combination of time, nutrition and psychology.
We were a bit of a shambles this year.
There are good technical hurlers there. I won't accept anyone saying there isn't.
Everybody talks about s and c. The programmes are fine. You can do all the lifting you want, you won't get any bigger unless your macros are right.
Psychology point is more difficult. There's nearly a feeling from top to bottom that we can just take it or leave it. Can you teach lads to want it more? I don't know....
I'm sure they all want it, but are we teaching players to channel that in the right way?
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Replying To StoreysTash: "Just finished watching, Kilkenny were just blown away by an excellent Tipp side.
I think its important to be realistic, Wexford are a mile off the pace. Laois knocked us out and Kilkenny still beat them well.
We need a team to come through and start breaking some of these glass ceilings for ourselves.
I hate talk about an "off day" because its just another excuse. Its a bit like "Wexford hate Thurles" like its a pitch with 2 goals. The problem we have is that we are not good enough to beat many teams who we play there I.e Munster counties.
Watching Brendan Cummins on the sideline this morning, he was absolutely up for it and I think Wexford are too calm in our sideline manner. I'm not promoting Davy antics but let the referee and linesman and 4th official know what you think.
But before that becomes a decider, we need to produce better players and that is the long and short of it." If you think that being in an officials face or complaining aggressively has any influence on them then you have never been one. If anything it has the opposite impact, it may make the manager feel good and I believe its all done for the players especially when its with opposing management teams. However the impact of seeing it on the TV is that it happens in club games all over the country and where the lads on the TV can hold their temper some at club do not. What I don't understand is why in Football the rules have changed to stamp out this behavior but it seems in Hurling its not a problem.
zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1984 - 01/06/2025 09:57:10
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Replying To StoreysTash: "I see what you did there LOL" :) I think it soared past many heads.
ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1365 - 01/06/2025 12:54:19
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Replying To zinny: "If you think that being in an officials face or complaining aggressively has any influence on them then you have never been one. If anything it has the opposite impact, it may make the manager feel good and I believe its all done for the players especially when its with opposing management teams. However the impact of seeing it on the TV is that it happens in club games all over the country and where the lads on the TV can hold their temper some at club do not. What I don't understand is why in Football the rules have changed to stamp out this behavior but it seems in Hurling its not a problem." Referees are human, I don't believe in shouting and yelping on the line but I too believe if you look at Brian Lohan or Brian Cody on the line there is no way referees aren't a little afraid of them.
You have to channel it the right way I believe, but its no harm to plead your case from time to time. You might just get the next decision or buy one in your favour. I'm not saying its right but its the case.
It should not happen but you draw the line long before foul language, abusing players or appealing every decision.
ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1365 - 01/06/2025 13:01:11
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Replying To Doylerwex: "Again we need to be looking at what's actually going wrong between 15 to minor to 20.
We're producing better than most up to then.
Personally I think it's a combination of time, nutrition and psychology.
We were a bit of a shambles this year.
There are good technical hurlers there. I won't accept anyone saying there isn't.
Everybody talks about s and c. The programmes are fine. You can do all the lifting you want, you won't get any bigger unless your macros are right.
Psychology point is more difficult. There's nearly a feeling from top to bottom that we can just take it or leave it. Can you teach lads to want it more? I don't know....
I'm sure they all want it, but are we teaching players to channel that in the right way?" Soccer.
icehonesty (Wexford) - Posts: 2581 - 01/06/2025 13:25:05
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Replying To Doylerwex: "Again we need to be looking at what's actually going wrong between 15 to minor to 20.
We're producing better than most up to then.
Personally I think it's a combination of time, nutrition and psychology.
We were a bit of a shambles this year.
There are good technical hurlers there. I won't accept anyone saying there isn't.
Everybody talks about s and c. The programmes are fine. You can do all the lifting you want, you won't get any bigger unless your macros are right.
Psychology point is more difficult. There's nearly a feeling from top to bottom that we can just take it or leave it. Can you teach lads to want it more? I don't know....
I'm sure they all want it, but are we teaching players to channel that in the right way?" Yep there's something in it.
Genuinely in terms of ability we produce players as good as anyone, that's a fact. But there's something missing.
I do think things are too nice, like we have an obsession with games, just keep playing as many games as possible a d we don't care about the content of the games.
We are happy to play away h der no pressure, look at our county championship, no pressure, 2 months of hurling a little above all county league level, then when it comes to actual pressure games at intercounty and we fold, of course we do, we aren't used to it.
People will argue the county championship isn't the be all and end all and yes it's not, but it's a factor and it points to a mindset of lets make things as handy as possible for us, let's remove as much pressure as possible.
We don't want it as much cos there's always an excuse, always a second day or third day or 6th day in our case. It's a mindset.
tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1514 - 01/06/2025 15:38:52
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Replying To tearintom: "Yep there's something in it.
Genuinely in terms of ability we produce players as good as anyone, that's a fact. But there's something missing.
I do think things are too nice, like we have an obsession with games, just keep playing as many games as possible a d we don't care about the content of the games.
We are happy to play away h der no pressure, look at our county championship, no pressure, 2 months of hurling a little above all county league level, then when it comes to actual pressure games at intercounty and we fold, of course we do, we aren't used to it.
People will argue the county championship isn't the be all and end all and yes it's not, but it's a factor and it points to a mindset of lets make things as handy as possible for us, let's remove as much pressure as possible.
We don't want it as much cos there's always an excuse, always a second day or third day or 6th day in our case. It's a mindset." I am with you here, in Wexford I feel the mindset after any bad result is "We didn't need to win that game, this other one is more important". I think this is a cop-out from players, supporters and managers.
You need to be willing to burst your gut to win EVERY BALL let alone every game. Players are often too nice in Wexford. We need more of a fight in our players from corner forward back to the full back line. No ball should ever come out easy in an u12 match let alone a senior match.
I'm not advocating for dirty play now or anything but I do think the intensity across the board in Wexford is not what it needs to be and this is being borne out in our senior teams.
ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1365 - 03/06/2025 13:07:08
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Replying To ExiledInWex: "I am with you here, in Wexford I feel the mindset after any bad result is "We didn't need to win that game, this other one is more important". I think this is a cop-out from players, supporters and managers.
You need to be willing to burst your gut to win EVERY BALL let alone every game. Players are often too nice in Wexford. We need more of a fight in our players from corner forward back to the full back line. No ball should ever come out easy in an u12 match let alone a senior match.
I'm not advocating for dirty play now or anything but I do think the intensity across the board in Wexford is not what it needs to be and this is being borne out in our senior teams." Absolutely. For me there's no excuse for being out worked.
We did a much better job of that last year across the whole season and it gives a good indication of what we're capable of.
This year from the first night against Cork in the Park the attitude hasn't been great.
In fairness you could pick out a handful of individual exceptions.
It's too depressing to have no county team to follow until 2026......
Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3677 - 03/06/2025 13:38:07
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Replying To ExiledInWex: "I am with you here, in Wexford I feel the mindset after any bad result is "We didn't need to win that game, this other one is more important". I think this is a cop-out from players, supporters and managers.
You need to be willing to burst your gut to win EVERY BALL let alone every game. Players are often too nice in Wexford. We need more of a fight in our players from corner forward back to the full back line. No ball should ever come out easy in an u12 match let alone a senior match.
I'm not advocating for dirty play now or anything but I do think the intensity across the board in Wexford is not what it needs to be and this is being borne out in our senior teams." That's what is wrong at all levels of club hurling from underage up to senior. Sure look at underage it's basically go games stuff
No incentive to drive lads on sure if we don't win co championship we have the shield
I said it before its embarrassing and does no club any good having a shield competition for u16 and up
As for adult competitions no intensity in group games as nearly everyone goes through
Then we expect co players to play with intensity and passion once they put on co jersey
We need change NOW
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Replying To Spidey1: "That's what is wrong at all levels of club hurling from underage up to senior. Sure look at underage it's basically go games stuff
No incentive to drive lads on sure if we don't win co championship we have the shield
I said it before its embarrassing and does no club any good having a shield competition for u16 and up
As for adult competitions no intensity in group games as nearly everyone goes through
Then we expect co players to play with intensity and passion once they put on co jersey
We need change NOW" There's a strong emphasis in Wexford to adhere to the GAA rules about inclusion and fun, that most other counties lose somewhat after u12. I could name a club where up to the age underage players are guaranteed at least a half a championship game regardless of ability or interest.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16085 - 03/06/2025 16:12:58
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Replying To Spidey1: "That's what is wrong at all levels of club hurling from underage up to senior. Sure look at underage it's basically go games stuff
No incentive to drive lads on sure if we don't win co championship we have the shield
I said it before its embarrassing and does no club any good having a shield competition for u16 and up
As for adult competitions no intensity in group games as nearly everyone goes through
Then we expect co players to play with intensity and passion once they put on co jersey
We need change NOW" Guaranteed half a game in every championship game.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16085 - 03/06/2025 16:22:29
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Replying To Viking66: "There's a strong emphasis in Wexford to adhere to the GAA rules about inclusion and fun, that most other counties lose somewhat after u12. I could name a club where up to the age underage players are guaranteed at least a half a championship game regardless of ability or interest." I have no problem with go games
The idea is great and every child should get game time
The point I'm making is from u16 up you are in a co championship . The best team wins.If your team doesn't get to a final surely the emphasis is on the team to try harder to improve to up their game for next year competition.
As far as I know there is no shield competition in soccer or rugby so why do we have it
Spidey1 (Wicklow) - Posts: 19 - 03/06/2025 22:37:32
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