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What I would do is as follows: There is no way the loser of the Joe Mc should go through. 4th in Munster could play off against 4th in Leinster to take that spot. Waterford were unlucky this year, Cork super lucky. LohansRedHelmet (Clare) - Posts: 2679 - 18/09/2024 20:48:02 2570629 Link 0 |
Lohan it was not bad luck. It was down right robbery and not the Clare 65 that was one. Tipp draw from a goal scored with the player clearly in the square. That would have kept Tipp where they ended up but the All Ireland finalist that everyone is blowing up, gone. I don't want our championship decided for anyone this way. Delighted for Clare and well deserved. Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2855 - 19/09/2024 03:41:22 2570654 Link 0 |
Unfortunately these things happen in sports. You could say the same about Kilkenny sneaking into the Leinster final, or the ROC red card for nothing. Sadly we've all winter to think about these things, while Clare are likely still celebrating and fair play to them. They've had to endure a lot themselves in the Limerick era. Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3062 - 19/09/2024 08:14:31 2570661 Link 0 |
Excluding the All Ireland this year, I have loved following Lohan's Clare since Covid Restrictions lifted. We have had some unbelievable days especially in the Munster Championship and thats why I would be reluctent to change it. Now if we (and the time will come) begin to struggle to get out of Munster my opinion might change but as things stand I love the round robin. This year was the cherry on top winning both National Championships but I have enjoyed the ride to this point too.
LohansRedHelmet (Clare) - Posts: 2679 - 19/09/2024 12:04:36 2570722 Link 0 |
I agree Dolyerwex but the stakes are too high for the amateur sports guy who has put so much in. The pro gets his salary cheque win or lose. I have advocated for red card review before issuing and all scores in the last two or three minutes reviewed. However the purest on here don't want that. These are the same ones saying these errors can't be avoided when in fact they can. It probably cost Limerick 5 in a row.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2855 - 19/09/2024 15:00:33 2570779 Link 0 |
How do you see a review of all scores in the last 2-3 being reviewed being worked? A point is a point, regardless what time it happened in. LohansRedHelmet (Clare) - Posts: 2679 - 19/09/2024 15:18:56 2570786 Link 0 |
It likely cost Limerick 6 in a row Canuck in 2019. Plenty of other AIs could have been won or lost if you were to go back over every decision made. Referees are human. Just like players. And just like players they make mistakes. We missed out on a Leinster Final this year on account of one. We had fought back to parity in the AIQF when an earlier refereeing error meant we went down to 14 men for the rest of the game, minus our best player sent off on 2 yellows when the 1st one wasn't. Cork had a case for a clear free in at the end of the AIF. An AI final we both already agree that they only reached after getting favourable decisions from referees in games they weren't even playing in. What I'm saying is where do you draw the line? I personally can't remember a game or title Wexford won where I thought "Well #### me we were lucky with the ref today!". But I don't see how you can change things that much. If you did would you review all the incidents of dirty play that occur in matches also? The ones the refs missed part or all of? That's opening up a whole new can of worms. Would you send a lad off at halftime for a dirty stroke in the 1st half that was caught on video?
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13429 - 19/09/2024 16:15:27 2570801 Link 0 |
It likely cost Limerick 6 in a row Canuck in 2019. Plenty of other AIs could have been won or lost if you were to go back over every decision made. Referees are human. Just like players. And just like players they make mistakes. We missed out on a Leinster Final this year on account of one. We had fought back to parity in the AIQF when an earlier refereeing error meant we went down to 14 men for the rest of the game, minus our best player sent off on 2 yellows when the 1st one wasn't. Cork had a case for a clear free in at the end of the AIF. An AI final we both already agree that they only reached after getting favourable decisions from referees in games they weren't even playing in. What I'm saying is where do you draw the line? I personally can't remember a game or title Wexford won where I thought "Well #### me we were lucky with the ref today!". But I don't see how you can change things that much. If you did would you review all the incidents of dirty play that occur in matches also? The ones the refs missed part or all of? That's opening up a whole new can of worms. Would you send a lad off at halftime for a dirty stroke in the 1st half that was caught on video?
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13429 - 19/09/2024 16:16:18 2570802 Link 0 |
The ref is human and will make errors. He should be given assistance in making certain decisions. It is only a can of worms if common sense is not used. Like saying X-rays or scans should not be used because the doctor saw nothing wrong. That does not mean someone who needs a band aid gets an Xray. Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2855 - 19/09/2024 17:57:14 2570832 Link 0 |
The Munster championship is certainly a bear pit and it's unfortunate for the two teams that lose out every year and have to watch lesser teams competing in the All-Ireland series. Much as I enjoy the Munster round robin, I agree with Canuck that a more equitable system should be in place for the All-Ireland series. However, I would not favour his suggested reviewing of incidents in the last 2-3 minutes of games. Refereeing mistakes towards the end of a game are always highlighted whereas mistakes made earlier in matches are often overlooked, even though they can have a major influence on the eventual result. midlands (Westmeath) - Posts: 581 - 19/09/2024 19:00:20 2570839 Link 0 |
It might be fairer to allow 4th placed teams into the knockouts - so for example you had 3rd place team in Leinster play 4th in Munster and vice versa then there is more equity. Yadse (Limerick) - Posts: 47 - 19/09/2024 21:12:44 2570856 Link 0 |
I'm not saying not to use the technology, merely asking how and how often will it have to be used? And how long will it take each time?
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13429 - 19/09/2024 23:09:57 2570874 Link 0 |
Midlands mistakes at the of a game are highlighted for a reason that is the reality. The reason is there is a reduced chance or none of over coming it. A goal from a square ball can be overcome early in the game if you are good enough. The same in the last minute and you are done. If the goal in Walsh Park was reviewed we would have been in the All-Ireland series. I am not blaming anyone for missing it but it was missed. Giving all the dramatics around a red card take another 30 sec to review. Wexford were on the receiving end of knee jerk reactions this year that is not fair and this influence in a game unwarranted.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2855 - 20/09/2024 01:02:13 2570880 Link 0 |
The overall quality of Leinster is not as good, i.e the bottom of Munster would beat the bottom of Leinster 99/100, but the level of entertainment is just as good. The main difference is obviously promotion/relegation. Ok Kilkenny will come through every year, other than that it's an even mix of Wexford, Galway and Dublin Teams have come up, gotten a result and stayed up too. It's improving the game, but arguably negatively impacting Leinster teams. In Munster Limerick will get through, usually Clare, then Cork/Tipp. Regardless I think the Joe Mac preliminary needs to go. It's a token gesture that helps nobody. Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3062 - 20/09/2024 08:04:21 2570890 Link 0 |
I disagree, Canuck. The most recent example that comes to mind is the Munster Under 20 final where Tipperary edged out Cork by a point. Cork were denied a goal long before the end that would probably have affected the outcome if it had been allowed. The fact that they subsequently missed several chances to win the game is neither here nor there - they should have been awarded the goal. Are you saying that because they had plenty of time to overcome that setback there would be no need to have such a situation reviewed? And I'm sure you recall the outrage when Tipp were awarded a goal against Waterford some years ago when Austin Gleeson clearly caught the ball outside the goal line. Waterford had more than enough time to right the wrong but the fact that they weren't able to do that doesn't mean that it didn't deserve a review (if such were available).
midlands (Westmeath) - Posts: 581 - 20/09/2024 10:34:39 2570920 Link 0 |
A round robin All Ireland Series would be great for hurling but any more than 3 qualifying from the provincials would ruin them. Cork was buzzing after their win over Limerick in the Park back in May. It was a real pity that wouldn't see the Cork hurlers in the park again until the 2025. dahayeser (Cork) - Posts: 353 - 20/09/2024 10:38:38 2570922 Link 0 |