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Davy Fitzgerald- New Antrim Manager.

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "Clare are not going to ever have Davy back, but a lot of people are puzzled by the hostility that some (many even?) Clare people have towards him given that he was as Doyler said central to both the great 90s team and to the winning team in 2013.

As I said on Dublin thread regarding our next parachute job Davy has come to epitomise an increasingly distasteful (in my view) bed hopping particularly in certain counties including Dublin. Which is clearly of no long term or even short term benefit to Dublin at least."
Barney, did you hear how much this 3 year stint is costing... the full package....!
Wow.

Glad we didnt go for him, or we would never have heard the end of it. $$$$

Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 4027 - 19/08/2024 08:55:21    2565760

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Replying To Canuck:  "Wishing him the best He certainly likes to stay on that merry go round. Or is it a gravy train ? I wonder what he will be shouting at those great Waterford players as he described them when they face each other in the league. They must not be that good as he hopped on the stage coach out of town despite having another year available. When he gets tired of this job he can say the trip up there killed him. Something like the Wexford and Waterford travel. Maybe them kilometres and miles going north are shorter LOL.
Anyway god be with him on his travels and hopefully our own guys are given a chance to succeed."
I think the Waterford players were seeking a review I would say he would have been gone anyway so look just wish him the best Hurling needs all the help it can get

clooney (Clare) - Posts: 960 - 19/08/2024 09:04:26    2565763

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "What was your verdict on Fortune? He's who i would like to see get the Dublin job."
He got mixed press here. He can say some off the wall things in media etc

But generally speaking he did a decent job. We were competitive under him, beating and drawing with Wexford in champ

I suppose the criticism might be that in key games against teams of our own level we didn't perform and that led to a couple of relegations

LockLeanGayl (Westmeath) - Posts: 257 - 19/08/2024 10:05:34    2565774

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Replying To Past hurler:  "Wexford made plenty of Leinster finals in the noughties because Galway were not in Leinster yet and Dublin hurling was at a very poor level until Anthony Daly came in.

From 2009 onwards the landscape completely changed for Wexford hurling with some very bleak years until Davy came in and brought them to new heights in 2019."
70s were the same

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14053 - 19/08/2024 11:35:17    2565796

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Replying To Pope_Benedict:  "We possibly were able in 2019 actually, McAllister delivering quite 'the helping hand' on the night imo. Dubs bet us fair and square in 2021 & 2024 alright. We weren't at all hard to beat in 2024, as you saw in Wexford."
Has to be said you weren't at it in 2021 either. You are chronically inconsistent in a way that we down here know only too well!

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14053 - 19/08/2024 11:37:07    2565797

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Replying To LockLeanGayl:  "Davy is a fantastic appointment.

We'd bite your hand off for him here. Instead of what we got"
That's nowhere near the sentiment among many hurling people in Westmeath. I haven't met one person who laments not getting Davy Fitz as manager. His managerial CV is lengthy but mixed considering he's managed sides consistently in top 6-7 in country. Wexford's hurling fraternity will tell you about the impact longer term of his appointment and it's not good. Unfortunately it tends to be about him and that is never a good thing. The new Westmeath manager needs to involve younger players over the next 1-3 years as based on club championship so far a number of our regulars don't have the legs for inter county. That's not a forte of Davy's.

Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 1931 - 19/08/2024 12:16:57    2565807

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Replying To LockLeanGayl:  "He got mixed press here. He can say some off the wall things in media etc

But generally speaking he did a decent job. We were competitive under him, beating and drawing with Wexford in champ

I suppose the criticism might be that in key games against teams of our own level we didn't perform and that led to a couple of relegations"
In one of those games you referred to some Westmeath supporters left Wexford Park at half time. We weren't remotely competitive. Winning that game was a freak result, Wexford became complacent and we got late goals. The following week Antrim beat us by 12-13 points in Cusack.

Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 1931 - 19/08/2024 12:20:11    2565808

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Replying To Fionn:  "Barney, did you hear how much this 3 year stint is costing... the full package....!
Wow.

Glad we didnt go for him, or we would never have heard the end of it. $$$$"
Indeed. Its embarrassing. The men looking for the job couldn't care less about Dublin - or whoever else they end up with - and some of them are on record basically sneering at us over the years. Worst fools us if we pay to be insulted. I won't be contributing.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3197 - 19/08/2024 14:16:49    2565829

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No begrudging and not any dislike of Davy a great Clare servant but reality check.
Outside managers = 1
Home county managment = 136
I wonder what the money per term differential works out at.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2882 - 19/08/2024 14:29:56    2565830

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Replying To Canuck:  "No begrudging and not any dislike of Davy a great Clare servant but reality check.
Outside managers = 1
Home county managment = 136
I wonder what the money per term differential works out at."
Is that a count of All-Irelands won in hurling by outside managers. If so, it should be two. Eamonn Cregan and Michael Bond with Offaly.
Interestingly Offaly also had one of the two outside managers to win a football All-Ireland, with Eugene McGee. The other being John O'Mahony with my own county.

WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2198 - 19/08/2024 15:01:45    2565837

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Seems strange that Davy would leave Waterford with 1 year to go but possibly felt that getting out of Munster next year will be difficult. All the Leinster counties were on a downward trajectory this year so possibly 3rd spot is a realistic goal next season for Antrim. A Leinster final appearance would certainly be bonus territory.

journeyman (Limerick) - Posts: 141 - 19/08/2024 16:02:39    2565849

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He left because of the travel and then takes Antrim who are further away.

FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2835 - 19/08/2024 17:08:11    2565861

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Replying To FoolsGold:  "He left because of the travel and then takes Antrim who are further away."
The man does it purely for love of the game.

CARPS (Carlow) - Posts: 740 - 19/08/2024 20:00:30    2565886

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Look best of luck to him and Antrim..I'll be interested to see will all players buy into the whole set up..also how Antrim hurling react to the serious media that is going to follow..it's a very strange move when the travel was a problem with Wexford and Waterford..

CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 2399 - 19/08/2024 22:05:49    2565899

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Replying To journeyman:  "Seems strange that Davy would leave Waterford with 1 year to go but possibly felt that getting out of Munster next year will be difficult. All the Leinster counties were on a downward trajectory this year so possibly 3rd spot is a realistic goal next season for Antrim. A Leinster final appearance would certainly be bonus territory."
?! Waterford have a far better chance of finishing 3rd in Munster than Antrim have of finishing 3rd in Leinster. 1 poor decision from an officiating team cost Waterford 3rd place, when they didn't award a throw ball when Rodgers took that last levelling 65 from a full yard inside the 65.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14053 - 19/08/2024 23:12:27    2565906

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Replying To CARPS:  "The man does it purely for love of the game."
In fairness to the man I don't think you can say he doesn't love hurling. I don't think it's wholly true that he just left Waterford and Wexford either.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14053 - 19/08/2024 23:14:14    2565907

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Replying To Canuck:  "No begrudging and not any dislike of Davy a great Clare servant but reality check.
Outside managers = 1
Home county managment = 136
I wonder what the money per term differential works out at."
To be fair, I'm not sure All-Ireland wins should be the yardstick by which Davy is measured with Antrim

Although that said, my gut feel is that the Davy appointment will lead to short-term gain for Antrim but long-term pain

ElGranSenor (Wexford) - Posts: 358 - 19/08/2024 23:20:49    2565909

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Replying To CTGAA10:  "Look best of luck to him and Antrim..I'll be interested to see will all players buy into the whole set up..also how Antrim hurling react to the serious media that is going to follow..it's a very strange move when the travel was a problem with Wexford and Waterford.."
Easier to fly to Belfast than it is to either Wexford or Waterford tbf

ElGranSenor (Wexford) - Posts: 358 - 19/08/2024 23:25:23    2565910

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Replying To WanPintWin:  "Is that a count of All-Irelands won in hurling by outside managers. If so, it should be two. Eamonn Cregan and Michael Bond with Offaly.
Interestingly Offaly also had one of the two outside managers to win a football All-Ireland, with Eugene McGee. The other being John O'Mahony with my own county."
Yes I forgot Eamon Cregan. A miserable return for rental managers.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2882 - 20/08/2024 00:09:06    2565912

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Replying To Canuck:  "Yes I forgot Eamon Cregan. A miserable return for rental managers."
Yes but how many non local managers have managed the counties who have been the strongest and won the most AIs in the managerial era? Kilkenny have won by far the most AIs, but would likely have won alot or all of them wherever their manager was from. Same with Cork.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14053 - 20/08/2024 07:15:45    2565924

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