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I agree with this post. The Sunday Game football panel also made some similar glaring mistakes last year in selecting their team of the year. A whole range of biases were very evident which I commented on at the time. However when the All Star football team was announced, they did a much better job. Would expect that the same might happen with the hurling team this year.

letsgetgoing (Roscommon) - Posts: 639 - 23/07/2024 19:02:38    2561043

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Replying To anotheralias:  "I have referenced recency bias in All Star teams , but the hurling team of the year takes the biscuit. I know it was a brilliant final and the selectors probably got sucked in by the euphoria of it. But I would hope the All Star team has a bit more balance that the team of the Year. 7 Clare , 6 Cork , 2 Limerick. 0 Kilkenny ( beaten semi finalist) , 0 from any county who did not make semis. Dont get me wrong I have no problem with any of the individuals selected. But 7 selected from a team who were beaten twice, 6 from a team that were beaten 3 times. Its not as if these 3 teams were miles ahead of everybody else. Clare got over Kilkenny by 2 ( a Kilkenny team that drew twice in Leinster and won 1 game by a point) , Cork lost to Waterford.
I will be saying the same thing next week if there is similar dominance of the team of the year by Armagh and Galway."
I agree. When it comes to best players of the year all stars are a bit of a let down. It's completely obsessed with finalists and winners. It's almost a second reward for finalists. Players ratings from the final suffer something similar. When you read them after Sunday you'd assume Clare won by 10 points and not one point in et.

With the advent of round robin championships there should be a much broader context taken but if anything it's focusing even more on the final.

Ulsterchamps_32 (Donegal) - Posts: 780 - 23/07/2024 20:36:06    2561076

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "I would love to see Sam Mulroy get an All Star as he is a fabulous player…"
Louth will definitley get 1 all star, they have a habit of being darlings of the GAA , they got 2 in 2010, just to make up for the leinster final loss, 1 was plenty but to punish a young lad from meath over it was shoocking, meath reached quater finals and graham reilly was top scorer from play in the country but denied an all star, although he was nomination for young footballer of the year, if he wasnt to get that he should have got an all star. louth only made last round qualifier, fermanagh made a last round qualifer in 2005 i think and barry owens got one, and westmeath similar picked up all stars for handy qualifier runs to quater finals in 2006 and 2008, meath also denied any all stars in 2009 as semi finalists who ran kerry to 2-8 to 1-7 defeat. i dont know what meath did to offend anyone that year as it was before 2010 bar knock mayo outof championship.

dickie10 (UK) - Posts: 777 - 23/07/2024 22:48:05    2561095

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1.Patrick Collins
2.Adam Hogan
3.Eoin Downey
4.Conor Leen
5.David McInearney
6.Robert Downey
7.John Conlon
8.Darragh Fitzgibbon
9.Davy Fitzgerlad
10.Seamus Hardendy
11.Mark Rodgers
12.Shane Barrett
13.Aaron Gillane
14.Shane O'Donnell
15.Brian Hayes

Definitely room for a Kilkenny player somewhere but for who?

SillySimonsOpinion (Meath) - Posts: 63 - 24/07/2024 08:24:58    2561122

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1.Conor Gleeson
2.Jack McGrath
3.Jason Foley/Brendan McCoole
4.Barry McCambridge
5.Dylan McHugh
6.Niall Grimley
7.Peadar Mogan
8.Paul Conroy
9.Michael Langan
10.John Maher
11.Paudi Clifford
12.Rian O'Neill
13.Conor Turbitt
14.Oisin Gallen
15.Rob Finnerty/Sam Mulroy

think louth will get an all star based on their year and how they did. Would like to see craig lennon get one but hard to find a place for him. Shane Walsh in contention to with a good final

SillySimonsOpinion (Meath) - Posts: 63 - 24/07/2024 09:06:09    2561127

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "I would love to see Sam Mulroy get an All Star as he is a fabulous player…"
He's a class act alright.

Ollie2 (Louth) - Posts: 919 - 26/07/2024 10:30:16    2561669

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Replying To dickie10:  "Louth will definitley get 1 all star, they have a habit of being darlings of the GAA , they got 2 in 2010, just to make up for the leinster final loss, 1 was plenty but to punish a young lad from meath over it was shoocking, meath reached quater finals and graham reilly was top scorer from play in the country but denied an all star, although he was nomination for young footballer of the year, if he wasnt to get that he should have got an all star. louth only made last round qualifier, fermanagh made a last round qualifer in 2005 i think and barry owens got one, and westmeath similar picked up all stars for handy qualifier runs to quater finals in 2006 and 2008, meath also denied any all stars in 2009 as semi finalists who ran kerry to 2-8 to 1-7 defeat. i dont know what meath did to offend anyone that year as it was before 2010 bar knock mayo outof championship."
Louth only got one all star in 2010. The great Paddy Keenan making history as he becomes the first Wee County player to win an all star. John O Brien got nominated in 2010 but he failed to win one.

Ollie2 (Louth) - Posts: 919 - 26/07/2024 10:32:26    2561671

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Personally, I would have both Paddy Burns and Rory Grugan in my 15 at the moment but alot depends on the final

97Cavans (Cavan) - Posts: 379 - 27/07/2024 20:52:32    2562011

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Replying To dickie10:  "Louth will definitley get 1 all star, they have a habit of being darlings of the GAA , they got 2 in 2010, just to make up for the leinster final loss, 1 was plenty but to punish a young lad from meath over it was shoocking, meath reached quater finals and graham reilly was top scorer from play in the country but denied an all star, although he was nomination for young footballer of the year, if he wasnt to get that he should have got an all star. louth only made last round qualifier, fermanagh made a last round qualifer in 2005 i think and barry owens got one, and westmeath similar picked up all stars for handy qualifier runs to quater finals in 2006 and 2008, meath also denied any all stars in 2009 as semi finalists who ran kerry to 2-8 to 1-7 defeat. i dont know what meath did to offend anyone that year as it was before 2010 bar knock mayo outof championship."
Nice to see you've managed to let go tho.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5201 - 27/07/2024 23:49:12    2562049

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Replying To Ollie2:  "Louth only got one all star in 2010. The great Paddy Keenan making history as he becomes the first Wee County player to win an all star. John O Brien got nominated in 2010 but he failed to win one."
Louth could get 1 this year I think Ollie.

Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 4018 - 29/07/2024 08:37:50    2562440

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The Sunday Game Team of the Year is becoming a bit of a joke now. Armagh with 8 on the team last night and Galway with 5, Donegal with 2. No Kerry or Louth player making it. It's a team of the year not team of the final/semi final. If Armagh didn't win yesterday they wouldn't have had 8 players on the team last night. Oisin Conaty has been good for Armagh but a great final yesterday and all of a sudden he's ahead of Paudi Clifford for team of the year. Paudi has been Kerry's key man and danger man for every team all year he definitely deserves his place. Craig Lennon or Mulroy deserve their place also. Aidan Forker at 6 on team of the year? Not for me once again just because he had a good final and was victorious captain. Aaron McKay scored a goal yesterday and Comer was very poor still not the best full back we've seen all year. Brendan McCoole I thought was excellent, Jason Foley very good too. Just my opinion obviously but it's if you win the final you get the most players on the team along with runner up getting a good chunk of it too. It's a league, championship team. 5 months of football to be looked at

SillySimonsOpinion (Meath) - Posts: 63 - 29/07/2024 12:52:48    2562573

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A breakdown on today's All Star nominations.

All Ireland winners Armagh with 11 - Blaine Hughes,Aaron McKay,Barry McCambridge,Aidan Forker,Paddy Burns,Niall Grimley,Ben Crealey,Rian O'Neill,Conor Turbitt,Oisín Conaty and Rory Grugan

All Ireland runners up Galway with 8 - Johnny McGrath,Dylan McHugh,Liam Silke.Paul Conroy,John Maher,Rob Finnerty,Shane Walsh,Cillian McDaid

Semi finalists Donegal with 7 - Shaun Patton,Peadar Mogan,Ryan McHugh,Caolan McGonigle,Brendan McCole,Michael Langan,Oisín Gallen

Semi finalists Kerry with 4 - Brian Ó Beaglaioch,Tom O'Sullivan,David Clifford,Paudie Clifford

Quarter finalists Louth with 4 - Craig Lennon,Donal McKenny,Tommy Durnin,Sam Mulroy

Quarter finalists Dublin with 4 - Brian Fenton,Con O'Callaghan,Cormac Costello,Seán Bugler

Quarter finalists Roscommon with 2 - Diarmuid Murtagh,Brian Stack

Quarter finalists Derry with none

Preliminary quarter finalists Mayo with 2 - Ryan O'Donoghue,Aidan O'Shea

Preliminary quarter finalists Tyrone with 2 - Niall Morgan,Darragh Canavan

Preliminary quarter finalists Cork with 1 - Daniel O'Mahony,

Preliminary quarter finalists Monaghan with none

Gaa_lover (USA) - Posts: 3501 - 19/09/2024 19:03:40    2570840

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Replying To SillySimonsOpinion:  "1.Conor Gleeson
2.Jack McGrath
3.Jason Foley/Brendan McCoole
4.Barry McCambridge
5.Dylan McHugh
6.Niall Grimley
7.Peadar Mogan
8.Paul Conroy
9.Michael Langan
10.John Maher
11.Paudi Clifford
12.Rian O'Neill
13.Conor Turbitt
14.Oisin Gallen
15.Rob Finnerty/Sam Mulroy

think louth will get an all star based on their year and how they did. Would like to see craig lennon get one but hard to find a place for him. Shane Walsh in contention to with a good final"
Craig Lennon with 4-7 from play from wing back, 6th highest scorer from play in the whole championship.

Be hard to see how he won't win one.

Past hurler (None) - Posts: 827 - 19/09/2024 23:34:09    2570877

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No Dublin or Kerry player on the All star team for the first time since 2003!

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14037 - 31/10/2024 07:33:16    2577670

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Replying To SillySimonsOpinion:  "1.Conor Gleeson
2.Jack McGrath
3.Jason Foley/Brendan McCoole
4.Barry McCambridge
5.Dylan McHugh
6.Niall Grimley
7.Peadar Mogan
8.Paul Conroy
9.Michael Langan
10.John Maher
11.Paudi Clifford
12.Rian O'Neill
13.Conor Turbitt
14.Oisin Gallen
15.Rob Finnerty/Sam Mulroy

think louth will get an all star based on their year and how they did. Would like to see craig lennon get one but hard to find a place for him. Shane Walsh in contention to with a good final"
Shane Walsh had a good final? Sorry did he not miss a good few wides and I thought Galway lost..!

S1234 (Mayo) - Posts: 106 - 31/10/2024 08:32:59    2577673

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Replying To S1234:  "Shane Walsh had a good final? Sorry did he not miss a good few wides and I thought Galway lost..!"
If you are going to be critical and sarcastic at least get your facts right That was posted BEFORE the All Ireland final and as the poster pointed out Shane Walsh would be in contention with a good final

eoinog (Sligo) - Posts: 1972 - 31/10/2024 09:11:27    2577683

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Replying To Past hurler:  "Craig Lennon with 4-7 from play from wing back, 6th highest scorer from play in the whole championship.

Be hard to see how he won't win one."
You were spot on

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14037 - 31/10/2024 09:26:37    2577687

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Replying To S1234:  "Shane Walsh had a good final? Sorry did he not miss a good few wides and I thought Galway lost..!"
You've had a nightmare there. Still drunk from the night before?

PressureKick (UK) - Posts: 240 - 31/10/2024 11:35:20    2577705

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Just thinking if I was selecting a team, I would prefer Shane Walsh or Aiden O Shea , or Con or the 2 Cliffords before some of the All Stat forward line picked.

jacktheboy (Donegal) - Posts: 450 - 31/10/2024 11:58:13    2577709

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Replying To jacktheboy:  "Just thinking if I was selecting a team, I would prefer Shane Walsh or Aiden O Shea , or Con or the 2 Cliffords before some of the All Stat forward line picked."
Not sure you understand the concept of the All stars in a particular specific year. Doubt you'd be making that argument if Donegal had six or seven players selected.

Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 1930 - 31/10/2024 12:48:31    2577715

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