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Yellow card was harsh but to argue it's not even a free is beyond embarrassing
Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 1889 - 23/06/2024 20:21:43 2554140 Link 0 |
Do you even watch hurling
TomWex (Wexford) - Posts: 85 - 23/06/2024 21:54:17 2554173 Link 0 |
Seamus Hickey is a pain in the derrière. TJ is good. I like Dowling and his point today was well made. How in God's name can you let a man run 11 steps against the rules because he himself has been fouled and is on an 'advantage'. As soon as he hits the 4 steps the ref has to blow him up and give the free..he cannot let him tsje another load of steps illegally in some bizarre attempt at advantage. No other sport in the world allows an advantage like that. The throwing by Shane Barratt today was outrageous and the steps by O Donnell for his goal was crazy.. LimerickForLiam24 (Limerick) - Posts: 133 - 23/06/2024 23:04:13 2554189 Link 0 |
I agree if he fouls the ball after he breaks clear scores, that is an illegal score but if he has to take five extra steps to break away from the drag added to ones he took before getting impeded then that should not count in the number of steps. Discretionary I agree but so many decisions are and often totally inconsistent from ref to ref, game to game.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2865 - 23/06/2024 23:22:30 2554193 Link 0 |
You're the only one claiming that Rory O' C first foul wasn't even a free let alone a yellow card. Imagine allowing every player on the pitch make that tackle throughout a game with no free given?
Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 1889 - 24/06/2024 04:39:36 2554206 Link 0 |
its up to the referee to call nothing about the wonderful skill and finish from SOD
clooney (Clare) - Posts: 960 - 24/06/2024 08:18:22 2554223 Link 0 |
The fact that it occurred so early in the game is the kicker really. They were only introducing themselves. This type of aggression is generally let go in Munster so the inconsistency is the issue, although it was a foul they're not always given. It doesn't matter anyway. I thought the margin was flattering but the way we performed Clare were always going to win. Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3091 - 24/06/2024 09:28:48 2554250 Link 0 |
I am caught in 2 minds about it. yes it is a free and we wouldnt complain if a free is given. But if the GAA are really serious about getting rid of cynical tackles this needs to be looked at. By the letter of the law, the drag back is not a black card, but knowing SOD if he rounds his man, there is a strong possibility of a goal chance. This is not applicable to all forwards but with someone of the calibre of SOD, if he gets clear there is a chance of goal. If he gets called for overcarrying in that position you have rewarded the defender. The overcarrying occurred while he was still being fouled, once he got clear he took a touch. However as the rules stand it was a free in to Clare but, its not right that the defender is basically rewarded in that siutation when he is doing the fouling before SOD overcarries.
LohansRedHelmet (Clare) - Posts: 2679 - 24/06/2024 10:40:52 2554309 Link 0 |
Is it time we made it mandatory for refs to wear helmets in hurling? burt nally (Leitrim) - Posts: 6 - 24/06/2024 11:25:29 2554346 Link 0 |
Firstly, can I say that Limerick are reigning All Ireland champions and very worthy of that honor, along with that 5 in a row is without doubt a possibility that's on the cards for them. Never the less, the semifinal of Limerick v Cork is an all munster game, the semi final of Kilkenny v Clare is a munster and Clare game, straight away the dynamics change, it is an all-Ireland munster semi final that in itself is a Rebel rouser and lets not forget that a short few weeks ago Cork pipped Limerick by a couple of points in a high scoring game, my thinking is after seeing the game neither side wanted to lose while both sides tried their darndest to win, Cork are saying if they could do it then so too can they do it on July 7th. The other semi between Kilkenny and Clare favors Clare a bit, Clare showed a lot of promise in the Munster final against Limerick losing out by 0-06, it's not a lot in hurling and they have been working on that, admittable they are not up to the same standard as in the days of Davy, Ger and the Sparrow etc. Never the less they are in the all Ireland semi final 2024. Kilkenny reached the 2023 All Ireland final and fell short by 0-09 at the finish, this year they pipped Wexford by 0-01 they drew with Carlow in all honesty Carlow should / could have beaten them and there was a couple of other unconvincing results they had as well, however they too find themselves in the all-Ireland semi final. Should Cork pip Limerick in that semi final and I believe they will they will be odd's on favorites to win it out. That said I think I have explained myself reasonably well and why I think Cork will win it out. It could very well be an all Munster final, if that is the case the dynamics will change yet again. (The greatest field sport in the world.) Cuhullain (Kildare) - Posts: 285 - 24/06/2024 11:44:55 2554356 Link 0 |
I agree, free unquestionably but card was a tad unnecessary. That said Rory needs to learn.
Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 1889 - 24/06/2024 12:02:39 2554364 Link 0 |
Spot on.the attacking player must be rewarded. To penalise SOD in this instance would be farcical, he took steps because he was being fouled, so you'd be penalising him and therefore rewarding the defender for fouling.
Overthebar53 (Carlow) - Posts: 270 - 24/06/2024 12:05:35 2554366 Link 0 |
I think Matthew let go of him because there were so many backs between SOD and the goal. The dummy to wrongfoot the defender and keeper, all with the ball on the hurl as he couldn't catch it again, was pure class though.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13655 - 24/06/2024 12:12:47 2554369 Link 0 |
Only one way to stop O'Donnell and that is cut the supply of the ball to him. If he gets it your best hope is to try and stop him running for goal. A point conceded is better than a goal. LimerickandProud (Limerick) - Posts: 94 - 24/06/2024 13:33:59 2554399 Link 0 |
So because SOD is sooo amazing he should be allowed to take 11 steps before scoring a goal. Just apply the effing rules farely. TomWex (Wexford) - Posts: 85 - 24/06/2024 13:52:03 2554408 Link 0 |
And then there were four.......to be fair any of the four teams left are capable of winning it. LimerickandProud (Limerick) - Posts: 94 - 24/06/2024 14:40:27 2554428 Link 0 |
Or hope some ref, some day, will actually start looking at the ridiculous volume of steps that O'Donnell very frequently takes, when 'taking on' his man, as he likes to do!! Not hard to spot, he's overcarrying in half dozens of steps at this stage, doesn't usually end at just one extra half dozen either.
Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3857 - 24/06/2024 14:53:44 2554437 Link 0 |
But are they small steps or big steps?
WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2187 - 24/06/2024 15:05:08 2554441 Link 0 |
A sensible advantage rule should work just like the example you gave from rugby. i.e If the player with the advantage subsequently commits a foul before the advantage period has expired, then play should be stopped and the original free awarded. Crazily, the GAA advantage rule does not allow for the ref to do this. Instead, the rule includes the following statement: If, during the advantage period, a foul is committed by a player of the team which was originally fouled then the advantage is cancelled and a free kick/puck awarded for the "second" foul. So, according to a strict interpretation of the rule, the ref should have actually given a free out against O'Donnell for over-carrying. Now, O'Donnell was most likely unaware that the ref had given him an advantage (how would he know unless he was looking straight at the ref at the time?) and so he was simply playing to the whistle and trying to break the tackle as any good player would be expected to do. Giving a free against him for over-carrying in this scenario would be a ridiculous and unfair outcome but the only other option available to the ref is to allow him to get away with over-carrying, which is equally ridiculous. I don't blame the ref. The issue is a direct result of a poorly thought out and badly written rule. There is a quick and easy fix to this problem - just make the appropriate change to the wording of the above statement. Gaillimh_Abu (Galway) - Posts: 1012 - 24/06/2024 16:27:01 2554482 Link 0 |
Kilkenny aren't League Champions (Clare are). I agree with you, Kilkenny and Clare is hard to call. The Leinster final win over Dublin, had Kilkenny's strongest 15 to start this year, with plenty of talent on the bench. Unfortunately, the win over Dublin didn't tell us a lot about the team and where they're at moment. Undoubtedly they are a very good team. But I wished they had had a stronger challenge in the Leinster final.
Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2652 - 24/06/2024 16:27:12 2554483 Link 0 |