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Replying To omahant:  "If so, it's curious why it doesn't occur - why is that?"
Shane Walsh tried it from a 45 against the Dubs. Played a quick pass along the ground, got the return, but his 2-point effort went wide.

WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2413 - 25/06/2025 17:00:43    2621021

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45s for slight deflections on wides is also a very generous reward in this day and age. Even a good block on a goal bound shot or whatever. You should probably not be allowed to shoot from those

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12435 - 25/06/2025 17:01:02    2621022

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Might be a bit on the petty side but I think there should be some kinda punishment for goalkeepers distracting the umpires by vigorously waving wide as the shot is in the air

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12435 - 25/06/2025 17:03:36    2621024

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "Gaelic football is now really the exact same as soccer only you can use your hands… over and back passing around the arc with nobody marking anyone for 2/3rds of the pitch… nobody really engages until you get to a certain area of the pitch… just like soccer… continuously hand passing over and back and when a team is in front coming into the last 10 minutes it gets gradually worse.. The only real difference is you get some sort of score for kicking the ball over the bar…."
Ah now, another totally over the top piece of hyperbole. Yes, the game has changed - like every sport does - but constantly painting it in such negative terms just sounds like tired nostalgia masquerading as analysis. You really do specialise in exaggerated negativity.

CeachtPeile (Cavan) - Posts: 168 - 25/06/2025 17:04:11    2621025

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Replying To CeachtPeile:  "Ah now, another totally over the top piece of hyperbole. Yes, the game has changed - like every sport does - but constantly painting it in such negative terms just sounds like tired nostalgia masquerading as analysis. You really do specialise in exaggerated negativity."
People always think comments are negative when they are totally unwilling to accept that they are actually true… Nothing at all negative in what I said.. just stating that Gaelic football is now like soccer where nobody marks anyone until they enter a certain part of the pitch.. even the soccer term 'press' is now used multiple times in games especially when a team is loosing coming into the last quarter… The 3 up has helped somewhat to cut that out but the passing the ball over and back and over and back outside the arc with no engagement… If you can't see or acknowledge this then you must be very delusional….

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 4221 - 25/06/2025 17:27:36    2621038

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "People always think comments are negative when they are totally unwilling to accept that they are actually true… Nothing at all negative in what I said.. just stating that Gaelic football is now like soccer where nobody marks anyone until they enter a certain part of the pitch.. even the soccer term 'press' is now used multiple times in games especially when a team is loosing coming into the last quarter… The 3 up has helped somewhat to cut that out but the passing the ball over and back and over and back outside the arc with no engagement… If you can't see or acknowledge this then you must be very delusional…."
And your solution is?

Aibrean (Kerry) - Posts: 348 - 26/06/2025 14:40:09    2621252

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Replying To Aibrean:  "And your solution is?"
Solution is, pay no attention to his ramblings.

ORIELMAN85 (Monaghan) - Posts: 680 - 26/06/2025 14:43:00    2621254

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Replying To Aibrean:  "And your solution is?"
There is no solution to it… coaches as I have always said have the game ruined.. People laughed for years at those who watched or took an interest in soccer but now it seems that our once great game GAA has turned into a soccer type game all based on no risk possession… over and back passing to players with not an opponent near them… It's basically the once laughed at soccer using your hands…!

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 4221 - 26/06/2025 14:48:44    2621257

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Replying To Aibrean:  "And your solution is?"
The obvious solution is to relentlessly whinge about it across multiple threads, take nothing on board, speak out of both sides of your mouth and ultimately ruin all potential discourse and give your county a bad name in the process

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12435 - 26/06/2025 14:54:23    2621259

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Replying To Breffni40:  "The obvious solution is to relentlessly whinge about it across multiple threads, take nothing on board, speak out of both sides of your mouth and ultimately ruin all potential discourse and give your county a bad name in the process"
This forum badly needs an IGNORE function.

Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 2498 - 26/06/2025 16:51:05    2621316

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When 'new football' is made permanent in the Autumn, what final tweaks should be expected?

Will the 4 pts-goal make a comeback?
Will the D be discontinued? - looks messy with the new arc.
How about the 65s? - the hurlers could amend to taking them from midfield (a "72").
Etc - what else?

omahant (USA) - Posts: 3310 - 02/07/2025 03:56:12    2623040

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "There is no solution to it… coaches as I have always said have the game ruined.. People laughed for years at those who watched or took an interest in soccer but now it seems that our once great game GAA has turned into a soccer type game all based on no risk possession… over and back passing to players with not an opponent near them… It's basically the once laughed at soccer using your hands…!"
Why would you concentrate your energies marking players not in the scoring zone? The press is not just a soccer thing and not new to Gaelic Football. It's trying to turnover the ball to score when a defence could be vulnerable on restarts. An attacking half court press in basketball.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 8149 - 02/07/2025 09:44:36    2623068

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Replying To Seanfanbocht:  "This forum badly needs an IGNORE function."
I have that button for Walter Mitty for the past year. He still replaing the 1933 Final in his header.

ORIELMAN85 (Monaghan) - Posts: 680 - 02/07/2025 09:54:44    2623071

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Replying To omahant:  "When 'new football' is made permanent in the Autumn, what final tweaks should be expected?

Will the 4 pts-goal make a comeback?
Will the D be discontinued? - looks messy with the new arc.
How about the 65s? - the hurlers could amend to taking them from midfield (a "72").
Etc - what else?"
A lot of the new rules have worked well but some haven't… Just get rid of the childish act of handing the ball back to your opponent… it's nothing short of embarrassing… The inside mark has flopped completely and should be dispensed with as it serves no purpose… The hooter is an excellent idea but the game should end when it sounds.. the sight of players playing walking football waiting for the hooter to sound is nauseating… They only changed this rule because of a huge refereeing blunder in the league but it should have been left alone.. The game has improved greatly as a spectacle but in truth it could not really have got worse…. A couple of tweaks and removal of silly rules will even make it better going forward…!

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 4221 - 02/07/2025 10:10:49    2623077

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Replying To omahant:  "When 'new football' is made permanent in the Autumn, what final tweaks should be expected?

Will the 4 pts-goal make a comeback?
Will the D be discontinued? - looks messy with the new arc.
How about the 65s? - the hurlers could amend to taking them from midfield (a "72").
Etc - what else?"
Given how this year's championship is being received there will be very little not accepted.
There are a few things I'd change. From a free or a line ball I'd allow the keeper receive the kick as an option. There are incentives at the minute to use tactical fouling to try and turn the ball over.
I'm not got on the two point free but get that if they did away with teams are encouraged to foul. Maybe technical frees such as an over carry be only punished by a one point concession.
For slow kickouts I think the punishment is too great. If the keeper is too slow give the opposition an indirect free at the 45 or the 65.

I'm hurling all pitches are not the same length and a 65 is realistically as far as it can go. I think a tap over 65 is too punitive. Judy give an indirect free instead.

Ulsterchamps_32 (Donegal) - Posts: 893 - 02/07/2025 10:24:14    2623082

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Replying To Ulsterchamps_32:  "Given how this year's championship is being received there will be very little not accepted.
There are a few things I'd change. From a free or a line ball I'd allow the keeper receive the kick as an option. There are incentives at the minute to use tactical fouling to try and turn the ball over.
I'm not got on the two point free but get that if they did away with teams are encouraged to foul. Maybe technical frees such as an over carry be only punished by a one point concession.
For slow kickouts I think the punishment is too great. If the keeper is too slow give the opposition an indirect free at the 45 or the 65.

I'm hurling all pitches are not the same length and a 65 is realistically as far as it can go. I think a tap over 65 is too punitive. Judy give an indirect free instead."
As Enda McEvoy in The Examiner calls it "FRC football" is here to stay,.
Might be a few tweaks, around Marks especially
Goalkeepers are getting away with murder on slow kick outs.
Refs need to give a toot on the whistle if they stand surveying the pitch and if not kicked out immediately after that then free or throw or 45 or whatever.

Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 2498 - 02/07/2025 11:40:17    2623102

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Because the punishment is so severe refs are very slow to punish the keeper and I wouldn't blame them. So id that don't make the punishment as severe then refs will act.

Here's another one. Not really a rule. There were ball boys in croke park to get the ball off off the pitch after wides and scores on Saturday and presumably Sunday. It did speed the game up but ball boys haven't been in place in any match I've been to outside croke park. So if ball boys are allowed in croke part then they should albe allowed everywhere. If they are not allowed everywhere else then there should be none in croke park.

Ulsterchamps_32 (Donegal) - Posts: 893 - 02/07/2025 14:16:42    2623160

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As everyone gets used to the rules, they will need further adaptation.
Players weren't long figuring out how to exploit the rules around the midfield mark so that had to be changed.

Give the counties 6 months now and their will be a few new ideas for next year.

I predict the following
1- Teams will start to push up more - Armagh got murdered playing zonally inside the 40m arc - they wont be doing that again
2 - The man marking corner backs will be back big time - no need for an attaching corner back when he cant leave his own half anyway - and with the need to push the half back line outside the arc - the man marker inside will be key to stopping goals
3 - The catch and kick midfielder will return to every team
4 - The long range kicking half forwards - now a minimum of two needed - no more runners, a 50/50 half forward shooter is more use than any corner forward
5 - the selfish goal scoring corner forward - just want to take his man on - with not sweeper, these guys will have a field day

One issue might be that team become so obsessed with the 2 pointers next year that we end up with a hurling style long range shoot outs - bringing back the 4 point goal will be needed for that.

The other issue is the short kick out - I would still allow the defending player to enter the 40m arch to collect a kickout as long as he starts his run outside it. The current set of kick out rules is so unfavorable to the defending team, they literally have no way out against a strong wind.

As for the hooter - just bring it in every where - end of story. It can be done in ladies football and basketball (from U12 to senior). How the GAA cant just sort it out is beyond me.

tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1486 - 02/07/2025 18:48:21    2623256

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Replying To Ulsterchamps_32:  "Because the punishment is so severe refs are very slow to punish the keeper and I wouldn't blame them. So id that don't make the punishment as severe then refs will act.

Here's another one. Not really a rule. There were ball boys in croke park to get the ball off off the pitch after wides and scores on Saturday and presumably Sunday. It did speed the game up but ball boys haven't been in place in any match I've been to outside croke park. So if ball boys are allowed in croke part then they should albe allowed everywhere. If they are not allowed everywhere else then there should be none in croke park."
Dead right and what about crowds? If you can't fit more than 15,000 in every ground then Croke park should be limited to 15000.

JimB1991 (Donegal) - Posts: 99 - 02/07/2025 21:35:50    2623277

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