(Oldest Posts First) - Go To The Latest Post
|
Replying To JimB1991: "
Replying To omahant: "[quote=JimB1991: "[quote=Seanfan: "[quote=omahant: "Peddling my dope again....
✓ Two league tiers of 16
✓ Prov KO ties, based on prior Autumn Draw, 'double as league ties' (all 4 Prov Rds, intra-tier);
any tier crossover ties (Tier 1v2) are Prov KO only
✓ Play Prov Prelim & QF Rds early (Feb, 1st half); but defer SFs (Apr, end) & Finals (May, mid 2 wks)
✓ After Prov QF Rd, draw '4 groups of 4' per tier
(from 4 seeded pots of 4)
✓ 12-match Regular Season - a URC-like schedule, less* 'intra-group' ties - i.e. play the 'crossover' 12 - with all 'intra-tier' Prov KO ties included in the 12
* Groups reduce the high '16-team round robin' match count to the desired quantity in each tier
✓ Limit each group to 'one Prov SF team, per province' (this way, all 16 'then possible' Prov Finals - played over 2 weeks in May - 'cross over')
✓ Avoid drawing to the same group, both teams in any Prov Prelim, Prov QF or 'Pre-selected' league tie, to ensure these ties have also 'crossed over'
(all played pre-draw, per the AILC Calendar below)
✓ Rank teams 1-16 & 17-32, based on 12-match Swiss model/ partial round robin, 16-team tables, prior to a 'three-tier' AIC for Sam, Shield & Plate
✓ Teams '1 & 17' win "League 1" or "League 2"
✓ Top 8 enter AI Sam 'Aussie AFL-style Playoffs';
9-20 participate in the middle-tier AI Shield KO;
21-28 contest an AI Plate KO (or Tailteann Cup); &
29-32 are eliminated
✓ Each Prov Champ's AIC tier eligibility is also based solely on their most recent League ranking
(no Sam berth guarantee)
✓ 'Shield QF 8' compete in the next Tier 1 League,
with '2, 3 or 4 teams' newly promoted & relegated
[after Prelim QFs: 11,12,13,14 host 20,19,16,15; &
QFs: 9,10,17,18 host PQF 'reverse seed' winners</div>.
____
Or, for a shorter 10-game schedule....
After Prov QFs, draw groups of 6, 5, 5
Schedule has 6 v both 5s; & each 5 v own round robin group." No."]Provincials late jan - mid March.League beginning end of March Around 10 weeks to run off 7 rounds of the league. Senior All Ireland: Top 4 teams in division 1 straight to QF 7&8 division 1 play 3&4 division 2. Winners go into prelim QF with 5&6 Div 1 and 1&2 Div2. Intermediate: 5&6 Division 2 and 1&2 Division 3 straight to QF. 7&8 Division 2 play 5&6 Division 3 Winners go to prelim QF v 3&4 Division 3 Junior: 1&2 Division 4 straight to SF 7&8 Division 3 v 5&6 Division 4 Winners play 3&4 Division 4 in prelim SF League promtion and relegations stay as is."]I like it - same general idea as my AILC. Similarities: Teams ranked 1-32 League ranking used for 3-tier AIC Differences: 30 teams play in an AIC tier (I have 28) 4-tier league (I have 2) 7-game league phase (I have 12 or 10, with 'groups' reducing from 15) Prov KO presumably separate (I double 'many' as league) AIC tiers 12-10-8 (I have 8-12-8) Possible error in yours (unless I don't understand)? Senior (Sam) has 12 teams, so start with Prelim QFs? 5 v D2 4th; 6 v D2 3rd; 7 v D2 2nd; & 8 v D2 1st Maybe you have another round that's not well presented?"]No you're right I've an error also think I spotted one in intermediate. Both easily fixed though, straight to a prelim Quarters in the 12 team All Ireland. In the intermediate the better performing league teams (5&6 Div2 and 1&2 Div3) get home Quarters and the first post league phase is a playoff to join them in the quarters. Anyway the general idea is teams are playing plenty of games at their level deep into the year, much more even playing field running into an All Ireland series. People will obviously argue it devalues provincials playing them early in the year and not linked to the All Ireland but you can't have everything and realistically provincial titles mean the most to the weaker counties, the shocks needed to make that happen are probably more likely to happen in January and February than in May. No system is perfect but continuing to pretend that a team that wins Ulster or Leinster being at the exact same stage in the race for an All Ireland as a team that wins Munster is in anyway an acceptable system is just madness."]On your last paragraph, I would even say munster losers are in a better position than other provincial finalists? Expertinall (UK) - Posts: 24 - 17/04/2026 13:27:21 2666915 Link 0 |
|
Replying To JimB1991: "
Replying To omahant: "[quote=JimB1991: "[quote=Seanfan: "[quote=omahant: "Peddling my dope again....
✓ Two league tiers of 16
✓ Prov KO ties, based on prior Autumn Draw, 'double as league ties' (all 4 Prov Rds, intra-tier);
any tier crossover ties (Tier 1v2) are Prov KO only
✓ Play Prov Prelim & QF Rds early (Feb, 1st half); but defer SFs (Apr, end) & Finals (May, mid 2 wks)
✓ After Prov QF Rd, draw '4 groups of 4' per tier
(from 4 seeded pots of 4)
✓ 12-match Regular Season - a URC-like schedule, less* 'intra-group' ties - i.e. play the 'crossover' 12 - with all 'intra-tier' Prov KO ties included in the 12
* Groups reduce the high '16-team round robin' match count to the desired quantity in each tier
✓ Limit each group to 'one Prov SF team, per province' (this way, all 16 'then possible' Prov Finals - played over 2 weeks in May - 'cross over')
✓ Avoid drawing to the same group, both teams in any Prov Prelim, Prov QF or 'Pre-selected' league tie, to ensure these ties have also 'crossed over'
(all played pre-draw, per the AILC Calendar below)
✓ Rank teams 1-16 & 17-32, based on 12-match Swiss model/ partial round robin, 16-team tables, prior to a 'three-tier' AIC for Sam, Shield & Plate
✓ Teams '1 & 17' win "League 1" or "League 2"
✓ Top 8 enter AI Sam 'Aussie AFL-style Playoffs';
9-20 participate in the middle-tier AI Shield KO;
21-28 contest an AI Plate KO (or Tailteann Cup); &
29-32 are eliminated
✓ Each Prov Champ's AIC tier eligibility is also based solely on their most recent League ranking
(no Sam berth guarantee)
✓ 'Shield QF 8' compete in the next Tier 1 League,
with '2, 3 or 4 teams' newly promoted & relegated
[after Prelim QFs: 11,12,13,14 host 20,19,16,15; &
QFs: 9,10,17,18 host PQF 'reverse seed' winners</div>.
____
Or, for a shorter 10-game schedule....
After Prov QFs, draw groups of 6, 5, 5
Schedule has 6 v both 5s; & each 5 v own round robin group." No."]Provincials late jan - mid March.League beginning end of March Around 10 weeks to run off 7 rounds of the league. Senior All Ireland: Top 4 teams in division 1 straight to QF 7&8 division 1 play 3&4 division 2. Winners go into prelim QF with 5&6 Div 1 and 1&2 Div2. Intermediate: 5&6 Division 2 and 1&2 Division 3 straight to QF. 7&8 Division 2 play 5&6 Division 3 Winners go to prelim QF v 3&4 Division 3 Junior: 1&2 Division 4 straight to SF 7&8 Division 3 v 5&6 Division 4 Winners play 3&4 Division 4 in prelim SF League promtion and relegations stay as is."]I like it - same general idea as my AILC. Similarities: Teams ranked 1-32 League ranking used for 3-tier AIC Differences: 30 teams play in an AIC tier (I have 28) 4-tier league (I have 2) 7-game league phase (I have 12 or 10, with 'groups' reducing from 15) Prov KO presumably separate (I double 'many' as league) AIC tiers 12-10-8 (I have 8-12-8) Possible error in yours (unless I don't understand)? Senior (Sam) has 12 teams, so start with Prelim QFs? 5 v D2 4th; 6 v D2 3rd; 7 v D2 2nd; & 8 v D2 1st Maybe you have another round that's not well presented?"]No you're right I've an error also think I spotted one in intermediate. Both easily fixed though, straight to a prelim Quarters in the 12 team All Ireland. In the intermediate the better performing league teams (5&6 Div2 and 1&2 Div3) get home Quarters and the first post league phase is a playoff to join them in the quarters. Anyway the general idea is teams are playing plenty of games at their level deep into the year, much more even playing field running into an All Ireland series. People will obviously argue it devalues provincials playing them early in the year and not linked to the All Ireland but you can't have everything and realistically provincial titles mean the most to the weaker counties, the shocks needed to make that happen are probably more likely to happen in January and February than in May. No system is perfect but continuing to pretend that a team that wins Ulster or Leinster being at the exact same stage in the race for an All Ireland as a team that wins Munster is in anyway an acceptable system is just madness."]In hurling - the Munster Championship is all with the Leinster championship being an amalgamation of all the others. I we really wanted to use provincials as the basis of a fair all Ireland race we would have to do the following Mix Connacht with Leinster and Ulster with Munster. A Connacht/Leinster championship with Mayo v Longford Galway v Wicklow Roscommon v Carlow Dublin V Leitrim Meath V Sligo Louth V Wexford Kildare V London Offaly V Westmeath Then open draw qfinals - semis and final Munster/ULster Kerry - Antrim Cork - Fermanagh Donegal - New York Armagh - Waterford Tyrone - Tipperary Monaghan - Limerick Derry - Clare Cavan - Down Good competition from Qfinals onwards Then on alternate years Kerry - Longford Cork - Wicklow Dublin - Waterford Meath - Tipperary Louth - Limerick Kildare - Clare Offaly - Carlow Westmeath - Wexford Mayo v Antrim Galway v Fermanagh Roscommon v Down Donegal - London Armagh - Leitrim Tyrone - Sligo Monaghan - New York Derry - Cavan Run each championship off Top 4 in each go to All Ireland last 16 backdoor round robin to produce the other 4 for the All Ireland last 16 - Plenty of knock out football - trips to NY and London shared around - 3 tough knock out games fore anyone to win a provincial title. What's not to like tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1743 - 17/04/2026 13:57:27 2666927 Link 0 |