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Replying To WanPintWin:  "This was the article from which the numbers were quoted: https://www.rte.ie/brainstorm/2022/0322/1287753-hurling-census-2022-population-hurlers-density/#:~:text=Indeed%2C%20Limerick%20(9%2C980)%20has,%2C%20and%20Kilkenny%20(10%2C080).
It's based on hurling teams fielded, so in fairness it would be a lot more accurate than anecdotal evidence, or looking at how many lads walk around with hurls. The Galway numbers don't surprise me. Hurling isn't played to any serious level in vast swathes of our county. We're absolutely still a big county, but in pure pick terms we're behind Cork, Tipp and Dublin, and not that far ahead of Kilkenny.
It's also interesting that Mayo has more registered adult footballers than Galway. People often assume we're the bigger county, purely for geographical reasons."
How would there be 10,000 hurlers in Limerick The over all population of the entire county is 200,000 . That makes C. 100,000 males. Well over half that population would not play Hurling. At the very most the population of the Hurling has 50, 000 males. Are you seriously telling that one in every 5 males from the cradle to 100 years old are affiliated and making themselves available to play Hurling. Furthermore the actual. population of Cork is three times that of Limerick. Hurling is far played on a Per Capital basis so there be at least of five times more hurlers in Cork. Who ever this survey the figures that came out of it are pure and utter Bull.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4405 - 29/01/2024 12:14:33    2522964

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "How would there be 10,000 hurlers in Limerick The over all population of the entire county is 200,000 . That makes C. 100,000 males. Well over half that population would not play Hurling. At the very most the population of the Hurling has 50, 000 males. Are you seriously telling that one in every 5 males from the cradle to 100 years old are affiliated and making themselves available to play Hurling. Furthermore the actual. population of Cork is three times that of Limerick. Hurling is far played on a Per Capital basis so there be at least of five times more hurlers in Cork. Who ever this survey the figures that came out of it are pure and utter Bull."
Did you read the article at all?
It wasn't a survey. The numbers are based on registered hurling teams from underage all the way up to senior, from the GAA's own annual report. Actual team registrations.
They have assumed 20 players per team as an average. Of course some of these teams will be overlapping, but that would be consistent across all counties. The actual numbers of individuals would be less in all counties, but what matters is the proportionality, as the method used is the same for all. It gives a very good indication of ranking based on this.

WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2102 - 29/01/2024 14:09:50    2523012

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4 games on this week defacto premlimary QF as I think UL, NUIG, WIT and Mary I confirmed as group winners, I know I'm using the old college names but don't care :)

TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 30/01/2024 11:24:19    2523259

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Replying To WanPintWin:  "Did you read the article at all?
It wasn't a survey. The numbers are based on registered hurling teams from underage all the way up to senior, from the GAA's own annual report. Actual team registrations.
They have assumed 20 players per team as an average. Of course some of these teams will be overlapping, but that would be consistent across all counties. The actual numbers of individuals would be less in all counties, but what matters is the proportionality, as the method used is the same for all. It gives a very good indication of ranking based on this."
All I am saying, as one who has followed the game in both counties all my life, is any Report that in any way suggests that there is less than three times the number of hurlers in Cork than there is in Limerick is essentially flawed.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4405 - 01/02/2024 17:35:54    2523729

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "All I am saying, as one who has followed the game in both counties all my life, is any Report that in any way suggests that there is less than three times the number of hurlers in Cork than there is in Limerick is essentially flawed."
These are estimated numbers based on registered teams from underage to senior in a single year:

Cork (25,600)
Tipperary (14,260)
Dublin (13,980)
Galway (12,520)
Kilkenny (10,080)
Limerick (9,980)

The true number of individual hurlers is likely to be less, as you'd assume the same lads will be on more than one team.

There are almost 3 times the number of hurlers in Cork as there are in Limerick, based on teams registered in 2022. Is your point that you think it should be more than 3 times?
Maybe historically it would have been, but this is based on the current state. In fairness, measuring the number of teams registered is as accurate a method as you'll get to estimate the number of hurlers.

WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2102 - 01/02/2024 18:20:49    2523737

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Replying To WanPintWin:  "These are estimated numbers based on registered teams from underage to senior in a single year:

Cork (25,600)
Tipperary (14,260)
Dublin (13,980)
Galway (12,520)
Kilkenny (10,080)
Limerick (9,980)

The true number of individual hurlers is likely to be less, as you'd assume the same lads will be on more than one team.

There are almost 3 times the number of hurlers in Cork as there are in Limerick, based on teams registered in 2022. Is your point that you think it should be more than 3 times?
Maybe historically it would have been, but this is based on the current state. In fairness, measuring the number of teams registered is as accurate a method as you'll get to estimate the number of hurlers."
Exactly. The actual Population of Cork is almost three times that of Limerick, but Per capita Hurling is far more widely played in the County and City of Cork than it is throughout Limerick. I would say that there are at least five times more hurlers in Cork than Limerick. I think this Report was commissioned shortly after the 2018 All Ireland win, and thus 13 years after Cork won their last one, which may have helped skew the figures.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4405 - 01/02/2024 22:51:04    2523774

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Is John kiely only inter county manager showing respect for players involved in fitzgibbon??galway,tipp and Clare have all picked players still playing with their college..is it really necessary when county panels at moment are carrying close on 40 players..what do others think of this??

CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 2302 - 09/02/2024 22:23:50    2525268

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Replying To CTGAA10:  "Is John kiely only inter county manager showing respect for players involved in fitzgibbon??galway,tipp and Clare have all picked players still playing with their college..is it really necessary when county panels at moment are carrying close on 40 players..what do others think of this??"
In fairness, John Kiely can well afford to omit his Fitzgibbon players considering that his first two games were against Antrim and Westmeath. Other managers were probably under pressure to get some points from their early games and hence fielded strong teams. I suspect Kiely was only too happy to use the first two games to give some fringe players a chance .And, correct me if I'm wrong, but did he not line out two Fitzgibbon players (Colin Coughlan and Adam English) in the Dillon Quirke Foundation game against Tipperary. I may be mistaken, but are any of Limerick's established first team players involved with the Fitzgibbon Cup?

midlands (Westmeath) - Posts: 568 - 10/02/2024 11:09:54    2525299

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Midlands none of the established fellas are in Fitz action but my argument would be there are 2 games left for those that make the final,is it necessary for tipp to play o Connor or Clare to play diarmaid Ryan,Galway playing tj brennan..as I said counties are carrying upwards of 40,so surely a player could be given the chance..your are right in that Coughlan played v tipp…just give them a chance to concentrate on last few games of Fitz..by the way I've seen David o Reilly playing with ul freshers and he has impressed me..

CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 2302 - 10/02/2024 13:53:23    2525317

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Replying To CTGAA10:  "Midlands none of the established fellas are in Fitz action but my argument would be there are 2 games left for those that make the final,is it necessary for tipp to play o Connor or Clare to play diarmaid Ryan,Galway playing tj brennan..as I said counties are carrying upwards of 40,so surely a player could be given the chance..your are right in that Coughlan played v tipp…just give them a chance to concentrate on last few games of Fitz..by the way I've seen David o Reilly playing with ul freshers and he has impressed me.."
I have good time for Kiely as a manager but to claim that he is the only manager showing respect to the Fixzgibbon players isn't really valid if none of his established players are involved in Fitzgibbon anyway.

midlands (Westmeath) - Posts: 568 - 10/02/2024 16:53:37    2525334

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With all the talk about player burnout it seems ridiculous that players involved in the Fitzgibbon Cup semi final and potentially final were playing in League matches this weekend. The GAA will need to bring in some rules around this if Intercounty Managers are not going to respect this competition going forward. e.g Fitzgibbon gets priority and player not allowed play 4 days in advance or something along those lines. It is not far on the players to be put in such positions.

journeyman (Limerick) - Posts: 127 - 12/02/2024 15:38:31    2525693

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Replying To journeyman:  "With all the talk about player burnout it seems ridiculous that players involved in the Fitzgibbon Cup semi final and potentially final were playing in League matches this weekend. The GAA will need to bring in some rules around this if Intercounty Managers are not going to respect this competition going forward. e.g Fitzgibbon gets priority and player not allowed play 4 days in advance or something along those lines. It is not far on the players to be put in such positions."
Great game last night between UL & Galway UL had several County players on view but I dident recognize any of the Galway players but they were terrific players makes you wonder how Galway are not more dominant in inter County fare.

Great to see two local Colleges in the Final what a man Jamie Wall is in managing MI, two brothers on opposite sides the two Lohan's from Wolfe Tones hope Daithi is fit to play having damaged his hamstring last evening

clooney (Clare) - Posts: 949 - 15/02/2024 10:28:05    2526159

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Replying To midlands:  "I have good time for Kiely as a manager but to claim that he is the only manager showing respect to the Fixzgibbon players isn't really valid if none of his established players are involved in Fitzgibbon anyway."
Back in the spring of 2018 Limerick went up to Antrim in a game they had to win to finally get promoted from Division 2 and Kiely left a lot of regulars from UL off his teamas they were playing Fitzgibbon, players like Hegarty, Finn and Tom Morrissey. It was a brave move considering it was his 2nd year in charge and 2017 was middling at best.I heard John Meyler on Our Game last week saying Fitzgibbon was 2 or 3 levels below senior intercounty and he never communicated with a Fitzgibbon manager while over Cork, different ways of dealing it eh.

updwell (Limerick) - Posts: 817 - 15/02/2024 12:02:00    2526173

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Very enjoyable in the conditions.pitch was very good considering the weather in last few weeks..Jamie wall has a crazy record with Mary I and is brilliant to get a tune from players..a lot of interesting possible match ups in final..two keepers who could be next in line for senior in limerick..mark Rodgers on Adam hogan,fergal o Connor on Meehan or o brien..Coughlan on Colin o brien,gearoid o Connor being marked by Diarmaid Ryan..has the making of a great final and really looking forward to it..

CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 2302 - 15/02/2024 12:05:43    2526176

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Congrats to Mary I and a superb win today..Jamie wall is some manager and gets the best out of every player he's involved with..they got all the match ups right and played more as a team..ul were to individual..it was good to see some of the lesser known players play so well on both sides..joe cessr and Hennessy being 2 for Mary I and I thought fergal o Connor with ul..another enjoyable game and fair play to tg4 again for the coverage..

CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 2302 - 17/02/2024 16:50:16    2526503

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Very enjoyable game, Mary I dug deep to pull away at the end. How come the game was in a club ground and not a college ground? It usually is.

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 1997 - 17/02/2024 18:20:04    2526520

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Final not usually played in a college ground? What college ground would be fit to take it? Trinity held it some years ago and final was in Parnell Park, Carlow IT final was in Dr. Cullen and Sigerson final was in Stack Park on Wednesday.

Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 1622 - 17/02/2024 18:53:19    2526525

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Replying To Bon:  "Very enjoyable game, Mary I dug deep to pull away at the end. How come the game was in a club ground and not a college ground? It usually is."
Tralee IT ( or whatever its called these days) are the host college and the various finals are played in the surrounding area. Sigerson final was in Austin Stack Park, Trench Cup on a college ground, fitzgibbon was in abbeydorney and ryan cup in John Mitchells club in Tralee.

TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 17/02/2024 19:44:16    2526534

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Replying To Claretandblue:  "Final not usually played in a college ground? What college ground would be fit to take it? Trinity held it some years ago and final was in Parnell Park, Carlow IT final was in Dr. Cullen and Sigerson final was in Stack Park on Wednesday."
Fitzgibbon final was on Carlow IT and Waterford IT grounds the last 2 years, just a case some colleges have the required facilities and others don't, can remember it being played in Salthill 2 or 3 times.

TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 17/02/2024 20:03:26    2526541

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How long is Jamie Wall over MIC?

Tadhg2020 (Limerick) - Posts: 19 - 17/02/2024 20:31:10    2526551

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