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JP McManus Donates €1M To Each County Board

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Wex Co Board making clubs in Wex give back money for development. €127k of the €1m.

countyman2022 (Wexford) - Posts: 662 - 02/02/2024 14:57:16    2523869

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Replying To SurelyToGod:  "Setanta and Marciewicz in Donegal are single-code, single-gender clubs and are the only two such clubs in the county. They are the respective senior hurling and camogie champions of Donegal. Both clubs have received their full €24k funding from the grant, confirmed by the county chair in the last week. On top of this, the two clubs are based in the same parishes and share a pitch and facilities! Make it make sense."
There are 4 codes. Football, Hurling, Ladies Football and Camogie.

There are 41 clubs in Donegal that are associated with at least one of the GAA, LGFA or Camogie association. Some clubs have just 1 code with one association. Some have 4 across the 3 associations.

Separated by code, there are 81 different clubs.

So the Donegal county board voted on if they want to split the £1m 81 ways (a club playing all 4 codes would get 4 shares) or 41 ways (same for each unique club regardless of how many codes they play). They voted for 41.

And just for clarity the GAA were given the money and told to split it evenly with the other organisations clubs. They ask the LGFA and the Camogie for a list of all clubs. Then the Donegal GAA board voted on how to share it. So if there were stand alone LGFA or Camogie teams they didn't influence this.

skirge7 (UK) - Posts: 254 - 02/02/2024 15:06:15    2523873

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Replying To countyman2022:  "Wex Co Board making clubs in Wex give back money for development. €127k of the €1m."
The clubs all agreed to it... the county board are hardly making them do if it was agreed. 1k per club is hardly a big ask anyhow when the money is coming for nothing.

Square_B (Leitrim) - Posts: 880 - 02/02/2024 16:26:51    2523889

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Replying To skirge7:  "There are 4 codes. Football, Hurling, Ladies Football and Camogie.

There are 41 clubs in Donegal that are associated with at least one of the GAA, LGFA or Camogie association. Some clubs have just 1 code with one association. Some have 4 across the 3 associations.

Separated by code, there are 81 different clubs.

So the Donegal county board voted on if they want to split the £1m 81 ways (a club playing all 4 codes would get 4 shares) or 41 ways (same for each unique club regardless of how many codes they play). They voted for 41.

And just for clarity the GAA were given the money and told to split it evenly with the other organisations clubs. They ask the LGFA and the Camogie for a list of all clubs. Then the Donegal GAA board voted on how to share it. So if there were stand alone LGFA or Camogie teams they didn't influence this."
No suggestion of influence, though had the county board decided to go 81 ways the delegates would have voted that through also. In general there is only one club per parish in Donegal, but there's an outlier in the parish of Killygordon where there are three clubs - Setanta for hurling, Marciewicz for camogie, and Red Hughes for men's and ladies football. Setanta and Marciewicz are the Donegal Senior Champions in hurling and camogie.

This is what the delegates voted for of course, but how was it found appropriate that the three clubs from the parish of Killygordon, population 3,100, receive €72k between them whilst other clubs from parishes the same size, who also promote each code equally will only receive €24k simply because they come under the 'One Club' principle. I have no problem with these clubs being independent from each other whatsoever and I'm picking on these clubs as it illustrates where there is a real issue.

SurelyToGod (Donegal) - Posts: 420 - 02/02/2024 16:34:37    2523892

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Replying To SurelyToGod:  "No suggestion of influence, though had the county board decided to go 81 ways the delegates would have voted that through also. In general there is only one club per parish in Donegal, but there's an outlier in the parish of Killygordon where there are three clubs - Setanta for hurling, Marciewicz for camogie, and Red Hughes for men's and ladies football. Setanta and Marciewicz are the Donegal Senior Champions in hurling and camogie.

This is what the delegates voted for of course, but how was it found appropriate that the three clubs from the parish of Killygordon, population 3,100, receive €72k between them whilst other clubs from parishes the same size, who also promote each code equally will only receive €24k simply because they come under the 'One Club' principle. I have no problem with these clubs being independent from each other whatsoever and I'm picking on these clubs as it illustrates where there is a real issue."
The one club model is for where in the one club there are LGFA, Camogie and GAA teams. But there is one Executive with representatives from/to the 3 bodies. If the 3 clubs in Killygordon have 3 separate Executives, bank accounts, etc etc then they are 3 seperate clubs. Doesn't matter if they share pitches.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12982 - 02/02/2024 17:49:28    2523905

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Replying To SurelyToGod:  "No suggestion of influence, though had the county board decided to go 81 ways the delegates would have voted that through also. In general there is only one club per parish in Donegal, but there's an outlier in the parish of Killygordon where there are three clubs - Setanta for hurling, Marciewicz for camogie, and Red Hughes for men's and ladies football. Setanta and Marciewicz are the Donegal Senior Champions in hurling and camogie.

This is what the delegates voted for of course, but how was it found appropriate that the three clubs from the parish of Killygordon, population 3,100, receive €72k between them whilst other clubs from parishes the same size, who also promote each code equally will only receive €24k simply because they come under the 'One Club' principle. I have no problem with these clubs being independent from each other whatsoever and I'm picking on these clubs as it illustrates where there is a real issue."
Well if the delegate just voted it true the other way that wouldn't have happened

skirge7 (UK) - Posts: 254 - 02/02/2024 19:04:31    2523917

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Replying To countyman2022:  "Wex Co Board making clubs in Wex give back money for development. €127k of the €1m."
Not the case that they were "made" to give it back.

There are 127 clubs in Wexford across the three associations - 49 GAA, 41 camogie, and 37 LGFA.

All had already committed to raising a set amount each for a fundraiser to be run by the three associations for further works at the Centre of Excellence. That's a key part of the agreement between the three Associations that will see Camogie and LFGA guaranteed access to it as well, unlike what's happened in some other counties.

Then the JP McManus money came along unexpectedly for all 127 clubs.

The option was then put to all the clubs at three separate Co. Board meetings of all three Associations that they could either go ahead with the fundraiser, or they could postpone it for a year and just make a donation from general clubs funds instead. And since the general club funds had just been boosted by the McManus money, it made that option much more feasible than it would have been otherwise.

A large majority of clubs at all three meetings voted to make the donation and postpone the fundraiser for a year. They could just as easily have voted to go ahead with the fundraiser this year after all. Nobody "made" them do anything.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2327 - 02/02/2024 22:34:54    2523939

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LGFA have some neck disputing the payments in Donegal. They want to be equals, but they don't really. They are looking for positive discrimination or affirmative action or some such makey up nonsense,

It doesn't work. Education systems elsewhere are proof of this. It awards mediocrity above merit.


Apart from that JP donated the money on a clear understanding that it was to be divided among clubs. That benefits clubs in smaller counties more. Sobeit. My own small club in Dublin is not whinging. We are grateful. So are most others.

Some are evidence that a gift is often not appreciated,

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2927 - 03/02/2024 00:38:14    2523952

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Replying To countyman2022:  "Wex Co Board making clubs in Wex give back money for development. €127k of the €1m."
That's not how it happened Countyman. The point was made that the 1000 euro wasn't to be a return of any of JPs money to the Board, rather it was a donation of a grand instead of having to raise money via the Quid Games.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12982 - 03/02/2024 07:32:00    2523959

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Replying To Viking66:  "That's not how it happened Countyman. The point was made that the 1000 euro wasn't to be a return of any of JPs money to the Board, rather it was a donation of a grand instead of having to raise money via the Quid Games."
I see. Do they not make enough off clubs thru Model County? Basically a tax. Something happened in Carlow possibly with the donation too I think?

countyman2022 (Wexford) - Posts: 662 - 03/02/2024 08:44:12    2523973

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Replying To countyman2022:  "I see. Do they not make enough off clubs thru Model County? Basically a tax. Something happened in Carlow possibly with the donation too I think?"
It's a real aside to the JP money, and of no real interest to anyone reading this thread who's not from Wexford, but have to say I've never really understood that attitude towards the Model County Draw, where many clubs seem to see it as a burden or a tax or a levy. It's actually a great opportunity for clubs to make a lot of money for themselves, if they go at it with the right attitude.

My own club is consistently one of the top four or five sellers every year, and the Draw is consistently one of our top annual fundraisers. About four weeks of effort selling tickets, and we bring in somewhere as much as our Lotto draw does, but of course we have to sell Lotto all year round.

We definitely couldn't do without the Model County Draw, and if it ever ended, it'd leave a massive hole in our annual budget that we'd have to try plug ourselves. It's definitely not seen as a burden or a tax around here anyway!

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2327 - 03/02/2024 21:57:55    2524082

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Replying To Viking66:  "The one club model is for where in the one club there are LGFA, Camogie and GAA teams. But there is one Executive with representatives from/to the 3 bodies. If the 3 clubs in Killygordon have 3 separate Executives, bank accounts, etc etc then they are 3 seperate clubs. Doesn't matter if they share pitches."
Correct. If a GAA club has football and hurling sections, that is one club, not two. So if you had football, hurling, Ladies football and Camogie all played in same parish and operating out of the the same grounds, that should be three cheques written, not four or one! Per the JP letter, the funds must be 'evenly divided and distributed amongst the GAA, Camogie and LGFA clubs'.

LongfordgaaAbú (Longford) - Posts: 505 - 04/02/2024 15:26:51    2524218

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