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Replying To Past hurler:  "Hanging around Development squads from the age of 13 is not the way to go in my eyes.

If lads want to box, play rugby/soccer etc during their teenage years let them at it once they are still hurling most days aswel.

They can then choose and specialise around 16 or 17 and go at the hurling full time."
Have heard it said (but am not sure how true it is) that Corey Byrne Dunbar actually did very little hurling for a year or so around the age of 15 or 16, as he was with one of the big Dublin schoolboys soccer clubs at the time, and they told him to stay away from the GAA.

Anyway, examples here show that you don't have to be with Development Squads from age 13 or 14 upwards. But I wouldn't go so far to say that hanging round such squads is not the way to go. If a young player's first choice is already hurling or football at that age, and he stands to benefit from being in the squads,

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2977 - 04/03/2024 13:44:15    2529724

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "Have heard it said (but am not sure how true it is) that Corey Byrne Dunbar actually did very little hurling for a year or so around the age of 15 or 16, as he was with one of the big Dublin schoolboys soccer clubs at the time, and they told him to stay away from the GAA.

Anyway, examples here show that you don't have to be with Development Squads from age 13 or 14 upwards. But I wouldn't go so far to say that hanging round such squads is not the way to go. If a young player's first choice is already hurling or football at that age, and he stands to benefit from being in the squads,"
However if a kid stands out at 13 or 14 in any sport it perhaps means that he is a natural athlete who would be good an a number of sports. Most sports would encourage kids to play as many sports as possible in their youth. I would say the decision for a kid who is picking one sport over another at 13 yrs doesn't come from the kid but its conditioning from adults into a mindset where that ends up being the end result.

zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 2028 - 05/03/2024 01:19:22    2529866

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Replying To zinny:  "
Replying To Pikeman96:  "Have heard it said (but am not sure how true it is) that Corey Byrne Dunbar actually did very little hurling for a year or so around the age of 15 or 16, as he was with one of the big Dublin schoolboys soccer clubs at the time, and they told him to stay away from the GAA.

Anyway, examples here show that you don't have to be with Development Squads from age 13 or 14 upwards. But I wouldn't go so far to say that hanging round such squads is not the way to go. If a young player's first choice is already hurling or football at that age, and he stands to benefit from being in the squads,"
However if a kid stands out at 13 or 14 in any sport it perhaps means that he is a natural athlete who would be good an a number of sports. Most sports would encourage kids to play as many sports as possible in their youth. I would say the decision for a kid who is picking one sport over another at 13 yrs doesn't come from the kid but its conditioning from adults into a mindset where that ends up being the end result."
But aren't we supposed to be promoting our own sports?

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16601 - 05/03/2024 08:48:45    2529876

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Replying To zinny:  "
Replying To Pikeman96:  "Have heard it said (but am not sure how true it is) that Corey Byrne Dunbar actually did very little hurling for a year or so around the age of 15 or 16, as he was with one of the big Dublin schoolboys soccer clubs at the time, and they told him to stay away from the GAA.

Anyway, examples here show that you don't have to be with Development Squads from age 13 or 14 upwards. But I wouldn't go so far to say that hanging round such squads is not the way to go. If a young player's first choice is already hurling or football at that age, and he stands to benefit from being in the squads,"
However if a kid stands out at 13 or 14 in any sport it perhaps means that he is a natural athlete who would be good an a number of sports. Most sports would encourage kids to play as many sports as possible in their youth. I would say the decision for a kid who is picking one sport over another at 13 yrs doesn't come from the kid but its conditioning from adults into a mindset where that ends up being the end result."
The gentle persuading by adults or the clubs influence through its most influential members or one code preference . Hurling football soccer rugby athletics etc . That they need to put everything into a singular sport
Funny thing is in the schools the kids play them all for time off classes. It's probably the most competitive environment. Same rules re game time etc don't seem to apply . Especially in the higher grades . But because of Time off kids don't complain .
Your either good enough or yoyr not on the team or top 20 end of

Formertownie (Wexford) - Posts: 379 - 05/03/2024 08:49:35    2529877

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https://www.independent.ie/regionals/wexford/sport/gaa/lee-chin-and-cian-molloy-to-miss-out-as-wexford-hurlers-face-local-rivals-waterford/a793004810.html

TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 05/03/2024 13:06:41    2529921

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Replying To Viking66:  "
Replying To zinny:  "[quote=Pikeman96:  "Have heard it said (but am not sure how true it is) that Corey Byrne Dunbar actually did very little hurling for a year or so around the age of 15 or 16, as he was with one of the big Dublin schoolboys soccer clubs at the time, and they told him to stay away from the GAA.

Anyway, examples here show that you don't have to be with Development Squads from age 13 or 14 upwards. But I wouldn't go so far to say that hanging round such squads is not the way to go. If a young player's first choice is already hurling or football at that age, and he stands to benefit from being in the squads,"
However if a kid stands out at 13 or 14 in any sport it perhaps means that he is a natural athlete who would be good an a number of sports. Most sports would encourage kids to play as many sports as possible in their youth. I would say the decision for a kid who is picking one sport over another at 13 yrs doesn't come from the kid but its conditioning from adults into a mindset where that ends up being the end result."
But aren't we supposed to be promoting our own sports?"]Promoting your own sport doesn't mean you tell young kids that they shouldn't play other sports. The early impact of sports specialization on both the physical and psychosocial means kids ultimately have unhappier lives and give up sport as a result.

zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 2028 - 05/03/2024 13:14:22    2529923

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Replying To zinny:  "
Replying To Viking66:  "[quote=zinny:  "[quote=Pikeman96:  "Have heard it said (but am not sure how true it is) that Corey Byrne Dunbar actually did very little hurling for a year or so around the age of 15 or 16, as he was with one of the big Dublin schoolboys soccer clubs at the time, and they told him to stay away from the GAA.

Anyway, examples here show that you don't have to be with Development Squads from age 13 or 14 upwards. But I wouldn't go so far to say that hanging round such squads is not the way to go. If a young player's first choice is already hurling or football at that age, and he stands to benefit from being in the squads,"
However if a kid stands out at 13 or 14 in any sport it perhaps means that he is a natural athlete who would be good an a number of sports. Most sports would encourage kids to play as many sports as possible in their youth. I would say the decision for a kid who is picking one sport over another at 13 yrs doesn't come from the kid but its conditioning from adults into a mindset where that ends up being the end result."
But aren't we supposed to be promoting our own sports?"]Promoting your own sport doesn't mean you tell young kids that they shouldn't play other sports. The early impact of sports specialization on both the physical and psychosocial means kids ultimately have unhappier lives and give up sport as a result."]Back in our day Zinny we didn't have the choice of as many sports. It didn't affect us too badly. In any case the choice might be forced on kids soon as the plan is for soccer to move to the summer months.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16601 - 05/03/2024 13:38:07    2529926

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Just adding a new comment as the replies can get messy with the way the website is formatted, on the potential move to summer soccer that Viking mentioned it will be difficult but can be managed at underage if mentors/coaches are grown up about the whole thing, my concern would be lads over teams trying to be intentionally disruptive and this applies to people over both GAA and soccer teams, a move to summer soccer would be a disaster for adult soccer in Wexford in my opinion.

TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 05/03/2024 14:19:59    2529933

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Chin and Molloy ruled out of Waterford game but their injuries arent serious. There is a chance Chin, Molloy , Jippo, Mac , ROC and Liam Og will be back for the Cork game. DOK will be longer he is in the gym after a back procedure

Afinestick (Wexford) - Posts: 999 - 05/03/2024 15:22:53    2529944

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Replying To TerribleFootwork:  "Just adding a new comment as the replies can get messy with the way the website is formatted, on the potential move to summer soccer that Viking mentioned it will be difficult but can be managed at underage if mentors/coaches are grown up about the whole thing, my concern would be lads over teams trying to be intentionally disruptive and this applies to people over both GAA and soccer teams, a move to summer soccer would be a disaster for adult soccer in Wexford in my opinion."
Down here in South Wexford many of the managers/mentors do both soccer and GAA. Not sure how they can fit both in side by side without lads having to be out 5 nights a week and at the weekend, management and players. And that's not bearing in mind most of the players likely have siblings playing also.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16601 - 05/03/2024 15:27:02    2529945

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Replying To TerribleFootwork:  "Just adding a new comment as the replies can get messy with the way the website is formatted, on the potential move to summer soccer that Viking mentioned it will be difficult but can be managed at underage if mentors/coaches are grown up about the whole thing, my concern would be lads over teams trying to be intentionally disruptive and this applies to people over both GAA and soccer teams, a move to summer soccer would be a disaster for adult soccer in Wexford in my opinion."
In fairness, I think that if summer soccer happens, there wouldn't be too many cases of soccer coaches trying to stop young lads from playing GAA, or vice versa. But the very reason why that wouldn't be happening is actually part of the problem.

It's because in many cases - and definitely in my own place - the people who are coaching soccer teams during winter are to a large degree also involved in GAA during the summer months. My own lad's U12 soccer team has a manager and two assistant managers. Two of them are also U12 GAA coaches, and the other one will be with our U14 GAA this year.

I just don't think it's realistic or feasible for those sort of people to be out maybe five times a week for training and matches, if hurling, football and soccer all ran at the same time. They do it now for a short while at both ends of the season, but to do it week in and week out for six or eight months in a row would surely be too much.

Parents of young players would face the same - bringing boys or girls to training or a match maybe five times a week. Imagine the demands if you had three or four boys and/or girls, all involved in both gaelic games and soccer. Something would have to give.

Also, my lad's soccer team includes boys from three different GAA clubs, and I'm sure other soccer clubs draw from a number of different GAA clubs too, so coordinating a schedule between all the clubs could end up far from straightforward.

So, it's not that you'd be trying to stop children from playing soccer out of some sort of anti-soccer bias. It's just that in many cases, it simply wouldn't be practical.

Think you're right that it would be disastrous for adult soccer too. Some of the town GAA teams complain it's difficult to get lads to tog off for them while there's soccer on all right, but in the vast majority of rural areas, the majority of players who play both soccer and GAA will always opt for GAA when there's a choice to be made. I'd predict the Wexford Soccer League would be decimated.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2977 - 05/03/2024 15:40:41    2529948

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Replying To Viking66:  "Down here in South Wexford many of the managers/mentors do both soccer and GAA. Not sure how they can fit both in side by side without lads having to be out 5 nights a week and at the weekend, management and players. And that's not bearing in mind most of the players likely have siblings playing also."
I'm well aware of that with my own nieces/nephews and siblings helping out with teams and and that's actually my 1 worry on it too, I think if it managed the right way it can be done, also heard the soccer plan might be calendar year rather than straight out summer soccer so might help the situation a little bit.

TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 05/03/2024 15:51:08    2529949

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "In fairness, I think that if summer soccer happens, there wouldn't be too many cases of soccer coaches trying to stop young lads from playing GAA, or vice versa. But the very reason why that wouldn't be happening is actually part of the problem.

It's because in many cases - and definitely in my own place - the people who are coaching soccer teams during winter are to a large degree also involved in GAA during the summer months. My own lad's U12 soccer team has a manager and two assistant managers. Two of them are also U12 GAA coaches, and the other one will be with our U14 GAA this year.

I just don't think it's realistic or feasible for those sort of people to be out maybe five times a week for training and matches, if hurling, football and soccer all ran at the same time. They do it now for a short while at both ends of the season, but to do it week in and week out for six or eight months in a row would surely be too much.

Parents of young players would face the same - bringing boys or girls to training or a match maybe five times a week. Imagine the demands if you had three or four boys and/or girls, all involved in both gaelic games and soccer. Something would have to give.

Also, my lad's soccer team includes boys from three different GAA clubs, and I'm sure other soccer clubs draw from a number of different GAA clubs too, so coordinating a schedule between all the clubs could end up far from straightforward.

So, it's not that you'd be trying to stop children from playing soccer out of some sort of anti-soccer bias. It's just that in many cases, it simply wouldn't be practical.

Think you're right that it would be disastrous for adult soccer too. Some of the town GAA teams complain it's difficult to get lads to tog off for them while there's soccer on all right, but in the vast majority of rural areas, the majority of players who play both soccer and GAA will always opt for GAA when there's a choice to be made. I'd predict the Wexford Soccer League would be decimated."
I think a big flaw in the possible summer soccer idea would be FAI introducing it as a blanket structure for all 26 counties under their jurisdiction, what might work for counties like Cavan for example where I'd imagine there's little underage hurling might not work for Wexford, I'd think each county should have there own independence to implement what suits the dynamics of players in that county, the biggest winners of all of this in Wexford could well be the 4 rugby clubs in each town who would have a clear path over the winter.

TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 05/03/2024 16:00:16    2529952

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Replying To TerribleFootwork:  "I think a big flaw in the possible summer soccer idea would be FAI introducing it as a blanket structure for all 26 counties under their jurisdiction, what might work for counties like Cavan for example where I'd imagine there's little underage hurling might not work for Wexford, I'd think each county should have there own independence to implement what suits the dynamics of players in that county, the biggest winners of all of this in Wexford could well be the 4 rugby clubs in each town who would have a clear path over the winter."
It's a big opportunity to expand the winter hurling initiative we had this winter for u12s to other age groups. And introduce a parallel football set up also.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16601 - 05/03/2024 16:35:06    2529957

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Replying To Viking66:  "
Replying To zinny:  "[quote=Viking66:  "[quote=zinny:  "[quote=Pikeman96:  "Have heard it said (but am not sure how true it is) that Corey Byrne Dunbar actually did very little hurling for a year or so around the age of 15 or 16, as he was with one of the big Dublin schoolboys soccer clubs at the time, and they told him to stay away from the GAA.

Anyway, examples here show that you don't have to be with Development Squads from age 13 or 14 upwards. But I wouldn't go so far to say that hanging round such squads is not the way to go. If a young player's first choice is already hurling or football at that age, and he stands to benefit from being in the squads,"
However if a kid stands out at 13 or 14 in any sport it perhaps means that he is a natural athlete who would be good an a number of sports. Most sports would encourage kids to play as many sports as possible in their youth. I would say the decision for a kid who is picking one sport over another at 13 yrs doesn't come from the kid but its conditioning from adults into a mindset where that ends up being the end result."
But aren't we supposed to be promoting our own sports?"]Promoting your own sport doesn't mean you tell young kids that they shouldn't play other sports. The early impact of sports specialization on both the physical and psychosocial means kids ultimately have unhappier lives and give up sport as a result."]Back in our day Zinny we didn't have the choice of as many sports. It didn't affect us too badly. In any case the choice might be forced on kids soon as the plan is for soccer to move to the summer months."]We didn't but neither did we have as much pressure on one sport back then such as academies. I got most of my other sports through school. The difference perhaps is in outlook, I didn't play other sports not because I focused only on one sport but opportunities to play - when the opportunity was there I did play. Of course we would all like to see kids play GAA up into adult but doesn't always happen and I would prefer to see a kid play any sport into adult than give up GAA at 15/16 and do nothing in anything else.

zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 2028 - 06/03/2024 10:10:38    2530043

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Replying To zinny:  "
Replying To Viking66:  "[quote=zinny:  "[quote=Viking66:  "[quote=zinny:  "[quote=Pikeman96:  "Have heard it said (but am not sure how true it is) that Corey Byrne Dunbar actually did very little hurling for a year or so around the age of 15 or 16, as he was with one of the big Dublin schoolboys soccer clubs at the time, and they told him to stay away from the GAA.

Anyway, examples here show that you don't have to be with Development Squads from age 13 or 14 upwards. But I wouldn't go so far to say that hanging round such squads is not the way to go. If a young player's first choice is already hurling or football at that age, and he stands to benefit from being in the squads,"
However if a kid stands out at 13 or 14 in any sport it perhaps means that he is a natural athlete who would be good an a number of sports. Most sports would encourage kids to play as many sports as possible in their youth. I would say the decision for a kid who is picking one sport over another at 13 yrs doesn't come from the kid but its conditioning from adults into a mindset where that ends up being the end result."
But aren't we supposed to be promoting our own sports?"]Promoting your own sport doesn't mean you tell young kids that they shouldn't play other sports. The early impact of sports specialization on both the physical and psychosocial means kids ultimately have unhappier lives and give up sport as a result."]Back in our day Zinny we didn't have the choice of as many sports. It didn't affect us too badly. In any case the choice might be forced on kids soon as the plan is for soccer to move to the summer months."]We didn't but neither did we have as much pressure on one sport back then such as academies. I got most of my other sports through school. The difference perhaps is in outlook, I didn't play other sports not because I focused only on one sport but opportunities to play - when the opportunity was there I did play. Of course we would all like to see kids play GAA up into adult but doesn't always happen and I would prefer to see a kid play any sport into adult than give up GAA at 15/16 and do nothing in anything else."]For physical health and social reasons obviously it's better a person plays something into adulthood. I just don't see anything wrong with trying to encourage lads to pick hurling or football at whatever age though. I agree I'd never discourage any of my lads from playing anything else, but the only other option as regards team sports in our parish is soccer, which they don't want to play.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16601 - 06/03/2024 11:15:53    2530052

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What sort of team do we expect Sunday lads? Big game a win would guarantee top flight hurling for next year which would be great. Wouldn't expect too many changes myself. Would expect Jacko to replace Chin and maybe one of Hanlon or Devitt to come in from the start. Would like to see Duggan given a chance in the goal although Fanning has done okay and would like to see Tucker Kinsella given more game time off the bench this week. Expecting a tight game on Sunday hoping we can nick a win

Afinestick (Wexford) - Posts: 999 - 06/03/2024 11:46:41    2530060

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Maybe time to stop quoting each other's posts as the system is doing that quare thing with them again!

Anyway - realistically, if you're the sort of lad who excels at most sports, you're going to have to make a choice around age 13 or 14 - especially if soccer moves to the summer months.

Wexford soccer starts county development squads as young as U11 (which I think is too young myself, but that's neither here nor there).

I don't see any way that somebody could train and play with their own GAA club, train and play with their soccer club, be involved in one (or maybe even two!) GAA development squads, and also be involved in a soccer development squad.

So, you'd have to make a choice. And it wouldn't be a case of management in any of the sports being awkward or unaccommodating. It'd simply be a case of not enough days in the week.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2977 - 06/03/2024 11:59:44    2530062

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "Maybe time to stop quoting each other's posts as the system is doing that quare thing with them again!

Anyway - realistically, if you're the sort of lad who excels at most sports, you're going to have to make a choice around age 13 or 14 - especially if soccer moves to the summer months.

Wexford soccer starts county development squads as young as U11 (which I think is too young myself, but that's neither here nor there).

I don't see any way that somebody could train and play with their own GAA club, train and play with their soccer club, be involved in one (or maybe even two!) GAA development squads, and also be involved in a soccer development squad.

So, you'd have to make a choice. And it wouldn't be a case of management in any of the sports being awkward or unaccommodating. It'd simply be a case of not enough days in the week."
We have a lad who is in that position. He's an excellent footballer also but doesn't hurl. We won't have him full time til May

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16601 - 06/03/2024 15:11:02    2530088

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Replying To Afinestick:  "What sort of team do we expect Sunday lads? Big game a win would guarantee top flight hurling for next year which would be great. Wouldn't expect too many changes myself. Would expect Jacko to replace Chin and maybe one of Hanlon or Devitt to come in from the start. Would like to see Duggan given a chance in the goal although Fanning has done okay and would like to see Tucker Kinsella given more game time off the bench this week. Expecting a tight game on Sunday hoping we can nick a win"
Think Donohue will struggle to hold his place, Molloy is still out so MoH might be given a go or McGuckian back in. Kinsella & Jacko to replace Chin and Byrne. Be interesting to see which regulars are fit enough to make the bench.

Timbertony (Wexford) - Posts: 436 - 06/03/2024 16:17:57    2530101

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