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Replying To Viking66:  "
Replying To ExiledInWex:  "[quote=Pikeman96:  "Without spending ages looking through every post on several threads on this site, here's one of them:

https://hoganstand.com/Forum/FindPost?MessageID=2506025
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Here's another:
https://hoganstand.com/Forum/FindPost?MessageID=2495482
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Okay, so you talk about "a couple" or "a few", rather than a raft, but you're still talking more than one.

On the other point - I and others didn't say that logistically, combined colleges won't or can't work. I for one just said there would be logistical challenges to be overcome, and you weren't giving any suggestions on how to do that.

And by the way, those challenges would go far beyond just having to arrange transport to training sessions."
Yes fair enough, I didn't know they cost 4m when I posted that. Is the figure of 4m definite? I thought Bekan cost 3m with the dome.
Naturally the logistics of Combined Colleges go beyond the driving of buses, I never said they did not. I don't live on this message board and miss things but to me, getting players there and their buy-in is one, the coaching ticket is another and the supports required financing it is another, and so on.
But again I repeat it, Wexford tried it half-assed, got a half-assed set up, got half-assed results and threw it out.
You have to try it properly and give it a few years to iron out the kinks and see then if it is worth the cost. To me, it has to be given 5 years, and reviewed every year with a view to improving it. This happens in every facet of most businesses - what worked, what didn't, what can we do with what didn't.
If at the end of 5 years it hasn't worked and say the team is not competitive, then you ditch it and say it did not work and spend the money on another project.
zinny, your point on schools not standing on their own is a fair one but teachers aren't willing to do the coaching in the schools so its cherry pick unless the money to get coaches into all the secondary schools is there."
The 4 million includes the Wexford Park work. Think the 4g pitch with railings and lights was a good bit more than a million all the same."]Once the updates to the Park and centre of excellence are complete we have excellent facilities. Hopefully we can plough money into coaching and player development after these improvements are made

Afinestick96 (Wexford) - Posts: 312 - 10/05/2024 10:50:35    2543946

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Replying To Afinestick96:  "
Replying To Viking66:  "[quote=ExiledInWex:  "[quote=Pikeman96:  "Without spending ages looking through every post on several threads on this site, here's one of them:

https://hoganstand.com/Forum/FindPost?MessageID=2506025
link

Here's another:
https://hoganstand.com/Forum/FindPost?MessageID=2495482
link

Okay, so you talk about "a couple" or "a few", rather than a raft, but you're still talking more than one.

On the other point - I and others didn't say that logistically, combined colleges won't or can't work. I for one just said there would be logistical challenges to be overcome, and you weren't giving any suggestions on how to do that.

And by the way, those challenges would go far beyond just having to arrange transport to training sessions."
Yes fair enough, I didn't know they cost 4m when I posted that. Is the figure of 4m definite? I thought Bekan cost 3m with the dome.
Naturally the logistics of Combined Colleges go beyond the driving of buses, I never said they did not. I don't live on this message board and miss things but to me, getting players there and their buy-in is one, the coaching ticket is another and the supports required financing it is another, and so on.
But again I repeat it, Wexford tried it half-assed, got a half-assed set up, got half-assed results and threw it out.
You have to try it properly and give it a few years to iron out the kinks and see then if it is worth the cost. To me, it has to be given 5 years, and reviewed every year with a view to improving it. This happens in every facet of most businesses - what worked, what didn't, what can we do with what didn't.
If at the end of 5 years it hasn't worked and say the team is not competitive, then you ditch it and say it did not work and spend the money on another project.
zinny, your point on schools not standing on their own is a fair one but teachers aren't willing to do the coaching in the schools so its cherry pick unless the money to get coaches into all the secondary schools is there."
The 4 million includes the Wexford Park work. Think the 4g pitch with railings and lights was a good bit more than a million all the same."]Once the updates to the Park and centre of excellence are complete we have excellent facilities. Hopefully we can plough money into coaching and player development after these improvements are made"]Yes for sure I've been beating that drum a while now!

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12799 - 10/05/2024 11:18:54    2543953

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If you haven't got your tickets to the Carlow match I'd get them. Allocated seating and stand is just about sold out.

goreyll (Wexford) - Posts: 123 - 10/05/2024 11:49:38    2543959

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Replying To Viking66:  "
Replying To Afinestick96:  "[quote=Viking66:  "[quote=ExiledInWex:  "[quote=Pikeman96:  "Without spending ages looking through every post on several threads on this site, here's one of them:

https://hoganstand.com/Forum/FindPost?MessageID=2506025
link

Here's another:
https://hoganstand.com/Forum/FindPost?MessageID=2495482
link

Okay, so you talk about "a couple" or "a few", rather than a raft, but you're still talking more than one.

On the other point - I and others didn't say that logistically, combined colleges won't or can't work. I for one just said there would be logistical challenges to be overcome, and you weren't giving any suggestions on how to do that.

And by the way, those challenges would go far beyond just having to arrange transport to training sessions."
Yes fair enough, I didn't know they cost 4m when I posted that. Is the figure of 4m definite? I thought Bekan cost 3m with the dome.
Naturally the logistics of Combined Colleges go beyond the driving of buses, I never said they did not. I don't live on this message board and miss things but to me, getting players there and their buy-in is one, the coaching ticket is another and the supports required financing it is another, and so on.
But again I repeat it, Wexford tried it half-assed, got a half-assed set up, got half-assed results and threw it out.
You have to try it properly and give it a few years to iron out the kinks and see then if it is worth the cost. To me, it has to be given 5 years, and reviewed every year with a view to improving it. This happens in every facet of most businesses - what worked, what didn't, what can we do with what didn't.
If at the end of 5 years it hasn't worked and say the team is not competitive, then you ditch it and say it did not work and spend the money on another project.
zinny, your point on schools not standing on their own is a fair one but teachers aren't willing to do the coaching in the schools so its cherry pick unless the money to get coaches into all the secondary schools is there."
The 4 million includes the Wexford Park work. Think the 4g pitch with railings and lights was a good bit more than a million all the same."]Once the updates to the Park and centre of excellence are complete we have excellent facilities. Hopefully we can plough money into coaching and player development after these improvements are made"]Yes for sure I've been beating that drum a while now!"]My understanding is that there is a massive investment into coaching and player development Viking. From talking to parents with chaps involved it seems like we have S and C coaches being sent by Co Board to every secondary school and that JJ Doyle is coordinator of hurling in schools and squads. Then Niall Williams is Director of Hurling and tracks players from 17 up as well as working on upskilling coaches. That's on top of GPOs. I'm not sure how successful it all is or how good all the coaches are but I don't think investment is the issue. I googled the figure below as I knew I'd seen somewhere the spend on coaching is over half a million a year.

https://m.independent.ie/regionals/wexford/sport/gaa/rising-costs-will-pose-a-challenge-for-wexford-gaa-in-the-year-ahead/a855062687.html#:~:text=%E2%80%9COur%2520investment%2520in%2520coaching%2520and,investment%2520is%2520now%2520a%2520must.

wexfordwin (Wexford) - Posts: 159 - 10/05/2024 12:10:13    2543964

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After last Saturday's performance it's finger crossing time and hope and pray if you are of that persuasion that Mac, Jippo, Chinner and Rory can stay injury free.
Hopefully they didn't pick up any knocks.
The aforementioned lads are vital to our chances in the remaining games.
Surely we won't let it slip against Carlow.
They have a hard working team with a few very good individuals.
Complacency won't be a problem given our poor record against weaker teams.
If we play like we did against Galway there will be only one winner and that won't be Carlow.
I honestly can't see them troubling our defence with Jippo in such fine form and Damien able to play with a bit of swagger knowing that he is behind him. I think all six backs will start barring injury.
Speaking of injury, I believe Jacko sustained a broken finger so that might leave the door open for Dunbar. If Cian Byrne is out I would imagine Casey might get the green light.
Passion, intensity, cool heads and belief will win the day with something to spare.
On the other hand if we go back to our Westmeath and Antrim form ???????
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Magpie2 (Wexford) - Posts: 363 - 10/05/2024 15:50:29    2543998

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Replying To wexfordwin:  "
Replying To Viking66:  "[quote=Afinestick96:  "[quote=Viking66:  "[quote=ExiledInWex:  "[quote=Pikeman96:  "Without spending ages looking through every post on several threads on this site, here's one of them:

https://hoganstand.com/Forum/FindPost?MessageID=2506025
link

Here's another:
https://hoganstand.com/Forum/FindPost?MessageID=2495482
link

Okay, so you talk about "a couple" or "a few", rather than a raft, but you're still talking more than one.

On the other point - I and others didn't say that logistically, combined colleges won't or can't work. I for one just said there would be logistical challenges to be overcome, and you weren't giving any suggestions on how to do that.

And by the way, those challenges would go far beyond just having to arrange transport to training sessions."
Yes fair enough, I didn't know they cost 4m when I posted that. Is the figure of 4m definite? I thought Bekan cost 3m with the dome.
Naturally the logistics of Combined Colleges go beyond the driving of buses, I never said they did not. I don't live on this message board and miss things but to me, getting players there and their buy-in is one, the coaching ticket is another and the supports required financing it is another, and so on.
But again I repeat it, Wexford tried it half-assed, got a half-assed set up, got half-assed results and threw it out.
You have to try it properly and give it a few years to iron out the kinks and see then if it is worth the cost. To me, it has to be given 5 years, and reviewed every year with a view to improving it. This happens in every facet of most businesses - what worked, what didn't, what can we do with what didn't.
If at the end of 5 years it hasn't worked and say the team is not competitive, then you ditch it and say it did not work and spend the money on another project.
zinny, your point on schools not standing on their own is a fair one but teachers aren't willing to do the coaching in the schools so its cherry pick unless the money to get coaches into all the secondary schools is there."
The 4 million includes the Wexford Park work. Think the 4g pitch with railings and lights was a good bit more than a million all the same."]Once the updates to the Park and centre of excellence are complete we have excellent facilities. Hopefully we can plough money into coaching and player development after these improvements are made"]Yes for sure I've been beating that drum a while now!"]My understanding is that there is a massive investment into coaching and player development Viking. From talking to parents with chaps involved it seems like we have S and C coaches being sent by Co Board to every secondary school and that JJ Doyle is coordinator of hurling in schools and squads. Then Niall Williams is Director of Hurling and tracks players from 17 up as well as working on upskilling coaches. That's on top of GPOs. I'm not sure how successful it all is or how good all the coaches are but I don't think investment is the issue. I googled the figure below as I knew I'd seen somewhere the spend on coaching is over half a million a year.

https://m.independent.ie/regionals/wexford/sport/gaa/rising-costs-will-pose-a-challenge-for-wexford-gaa-in-the-year-ahead/a855062687.html#:~:text=%E2%80%9COur%2520investment%2520in%2520coaching%2520and,investment%2520is%2520now%2520a%2520must."]There are 17 staff. Costs were 432000 last year. 432000 divided by 17 is only a little over 25k pa. Hardly a massive salary, and that would be ignoring expenses, equipment, printing costs, telephones etc . And 17 people between all the national and secondary school and club teams in Wexford is a pretty thin spreading of their time. We are spending 4 million on infrastructure in a 2 year period, though granted some of that is from grants. So I disagree that investment in coaching is not an issue. It's still a small fraction of total spending. Of course just throwing money aimlessly at underage coaching isn't the answer either. There has to be accountability as was said in the report you posted the link too.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12799 - 11/05/2024 07:35:59    2544018

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Replying To Viking66:  "
Replying To wexfordwin:  "[quote=Viking66:  "[quote=Afinestick96:  "[quote=Viking66:  "[quote=ExiledInWex:  "[quote=Pikeman96:  "Without spending ages looking through every post on several threads on this site, here's one of them:

https://hoganstand.com/Forum/FindPost?MessageID=2506025
link

Here's another:
https://hoganstand.com/Forum/FindPost?MessageID=2495482
link

Okay, so you talk about "a couple" or "a few", rather than a raft, but you're still talking more than one.

On the other point - I and others didn't say that logistically, combined colleges won't or can't work. I for one just said there would be logistical challenges to be overcome, and you weren't giving any suggestions on how to do that.

And by the way, those challenges would go far beyond just having to arrange transport to training sessions."
Yes fair enough, I didn't know they cost 4m when I posted that. Is the figure of 4m definite? I thought Bekan cost 3m with the dome.
Naturally the logistics of Combined Colleges go beyond the driving of buses, I never said they did not. I don't live on this message board and miss things but to me, getting players there and their buy-in is one, the coaching ticket is another and the supports required financing it is another, and so on.
But again I repeat it, Wexford tried it half-assed, got a half-assed set up, got half-assed results and threw it out.
You have to try it properly and give it a few years to iron out the kinks and see then if it is worth the cost. To me, it has to be given 5 years, and reviewed every year with a view to improving it. This happens in every facet of most businesses - what worked, what didn't, what can we do with what didn't.
If at the end of 5 years it hasn't worked and say the team is not competitive, then you ditch it and say it did not work and spend the money on another project.
zinny, your point on schools not standing on their own is a fair one but teachers aren't willing to do the coaching in the schools so its cherry pick unless the money to get coaches into all the secondary schools is there."
The 4 million includes the Wexford Park work. Think the 4g pitch with railings and lights was a good bit more than a million all the same."]Once the updates to the Park and centre of excellence are complete we have excellent facilities. Hopefully we can plough money into coaching and player development after these improvements are made"]Yes for sure I've been beating that drum a while now!"]My understanding is that there is a massive investment into coaching and player development Viking. From talking to parents with chaps involved it seems like we have S and C coaches being sent by Co Board to every secondary school and that JJ Doyle is coordinator of hurling in schools and squads. Then Niall Williams is Director of Hurling and tracks players from 17 up as well as working on upskilling coaches. That's on top of GPOs. I'm not sure how successful it all is or how good all the coaches are but I don't think investment is the issue. I googled the figure below as I knew I'd seen somewhere the spend on coaching is over half a million a year.

https://m.independent.ie/regionals/wexford/sport/gaa/rising-costs-will-pose-a-challenge-for-wexford-gaa-in-the-year-ahead/a855062687.html#:~:text=%E2%80%9COur%2520investment%2520in%2520coaching%2520and,investment%2520is%2520now%2520a%2520must."]There are 17 staff. Costs were 432000 last year. 432000 divided by 17 is only a little over 25k pa. Hardly a massive salary, and that would be ignoring expenses, equipment, printing costs, telephones etc . And 17 people between all the national and secondary school and club teams in Wexford is a pretty thin spreading of their time. We are spending 4 million on infrastructure in a 2 year period, though granted some of that is from grants. So I disagree that investment in coaching is not an issue. It's still a small fraction of total spending. Of course just throwing money aimlessly at underage coaching isn't the answer either. There has to be accountability as was said in the report you posted the link too."]I thought that Leinster Or Croker paid a percentage of salary and that clubs pay a portion too? I know in Dublin they definitely do. I think €500k is a huge investment but the question is if it's well spent which sometimes takes a while to show.


Heard rumours yesterday that Jack O will be out for a month- anyone else hear that?

wexfordwin (Wexford) - Posts: 159 - 11/05/2024 11:13:41    2544036

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Replying To wexfordwin:  "
Replying To Viking66:  "[quote=wexfordwin:  "[quote=Viking66:  "[quote=Afinestick96:  "[quote=Viking66:  "[quote=ExiledInWex:  "[quote=Pikeman96:  "Without spending ages looking through every post on several threads on this site, here's one of them:

https://hoganstand.com/Forum/FindPost?MessageID=2506025
link

Here's another:
https://hoganstand.com/Forum/FindPost?MessageID=2495482
link

Okay, so you talk about "a couple" or "a few", rather than a raft, but you're still talking more than one.

On the other point - I and others didn't say that logistically, combined colleges won't or can't work. I for one just said there would be logistical challenges to be overcome, and you weren't giving any suggestions on how to do that.

And by the way, those challenges would go far beyond just having to arrange transport to training sessions."
Yes fair enough, I didn't know they cost 4m when I posted that. Is the figure of 4m definite? I thought Bekan cost 3m with the dome.
Naturally the logistics of Combined Colleges go beyond the driving of buses, I never said they did not. I don't live on this message board and miss things but to me, getting players there and their buy-in is one, the coaching ticket is another and the supports required financing it is another, and so on.
But again I repeat it, Wexford tried it half-assed, got a half-assed set up, got half-assed results and threw it out.
You have to try it properly and give it a few years to iron out the kinks and see then if it is worth the cost. To me, it has to be given 5 years, and reviewed every year with a view to improving it. This happens in every facet of most businesses - what worked, what didn't, what can we do with what didn't.
If at the end of 5 years it hasn't worked and say the team is not competitive, then you ditch it and say it did not work and spend the money on another project.
zinny, your point on schools not standing on their own is a fair one but teachers aren't willing to do the coaching in the schools so its cherry pick unless the money to get coaches into all the secondary schools is there."
The 4 million includes the Wexford Park work. Think the 4g pitch with railings and lights was a good bit more than a million all the same."]Once the updates to the Park and centre of excellence are complete we have excellent facilities. Hopefully we can plough money into coaching and player development after these improvements are made"]Yes for sure I've been beating that drum a while now!"]My understanding is that there is a massive investment into coaching and player development Viking. From talking to parents with chaps involved it seems like we have S and C coaches being sent by Co Board to every secondary school and that JJ Doyle is coordinator of hurling in schools and squads. Then Niall Williams is Director of Hurling and tracks players from 17 up as well as working on upskilling coaches. That's on top of GPOs. I'm not sure how successful it all is or how good all the coaches are but I don't think investment is the issue. I googled the figure below as I knew I'd seen somewhere the spend on coaching is over half a million a year.

https://m.independent.ie/regionals/wexford/sport/gaa/rising-costs-will-pose-a-challenge-for-wexford-gaa-in-the-year-ahead/a855062687.html#:~:text=%E2%80%9COur%2520investment%2520in%2520coaching%2520and,investment%2520is%2520now%2520a%2520must."]There are 17 staff. Costs were 432000 last year. 432000 divided by 17 is only a little over 25k pa. Hardly a massive salary, and that would be ignoring expenses, equipment, printing costs, telephones etc . And 17 people between all the national and secondary school and club teams in Wexford is a pretty thin spreading of their time. We are spending 4 million on infrastructure in a 2 year period, though granted some of that is from grants. So I disagree that investment in coaching is not an issue. It's still a small fraction of total spending. Of course just throwing money aimlessly at underage coaching isn't the answer either. There has to be accountability as was said in the report you posted the link too."]I thought that Leinster Or Croker paid a percentage of salary and that clubs pay a portion too? I know in Dublin they definitely do. I think €500k is a huge investment but the question is if it's well spent which sometimes takes a while to show.


Heard rumours yesterday that Jack O will be out for a month- anyone else hear that?"]I really hope not. Adds size and strength to our half forward line would be a big loss I think

Afinestick96 (Wexford) - Posts: 312 - 11/05/2024 13:12:09    2544054

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Would be preferable for us for Dublin to win yeah? Given the games they have left.

ChinCanHurl (Wexford) - Posts: 292 - 11/05/2024 15:32:08    2544073

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Replying To ChinCanHurl:  "Would be preferable for us for Dublin to win yeah? Given the games they have left."
I think so although if it comes down to score difference between us and them we have a lot of ground to make up now

Afinestick96 (Wexford) - Posts: 312 - 11/05/2024 16:31:37    2544093

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What a result for Carlow. We have to be at our best next week

Afinestick96 (Wexford) - Posts: 312 - 11/05/2024 17:11:28    2544100

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That's a warning, great performance from Carlow, they will be fired up playing Wexford.

Jedobi (Wexford) - Posts: 189 - 11/05/2024 17:12:59    2544101

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Mental result for carlow we really need to be on our A game next week.

ChinCanHurl (Wexford) - Posts: 292 - 11/05/2024 17:16:45    2544103

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Replying To Afinestick96:  "What a result for Carlow. We have to be at our best next week"
Absolutely, there can't be any complacency. We've been warned now and I imagine they'll bring a huge crowd too next week after that. Carlow will give us plenty of it and they have the potential to turn us over.

Fulgrim (Wexford) - Posts: 257 - 11/05/2024 17:17:23    2544104

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Can't tell if that's good or bad for us

OpenStandWall (Wexford) - Posts: 111 - 11/05/2024 17:20:30    2544105

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Replying To OpenStandWall:  "Can't tell if that's good or bad for us"
Not sure it makes much of a difference really

ChinCanHurl (Wexford) - Posts: 292 - 11/05/2024 17:40:49    2544120

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Replying To OpenStandWall:  "Can't tell if that's good or bad for us"
I don't see any positive for us. If we lose in Carlow we are back in a McDonagh situation last game. If we win then we still go to Kilkenny facing a Kk team that need points. End of the day we may just win our own games because everything else is out of our hands

WEXILE (Wexford) - Posts: 282 - 11/05/2024 17:43:07    2544121

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Said it since I saw them in last years Joe Mac final. That is a very good carlow team. They are physically big, they hit hard ( but fair) and they have two ace cards in kavangh and Chris Nolan.

Carlow needs our full focus and our ultimate effort or else we are in a relegation battle.

Leinster Hurling - unpredictable and keeping competitive hurling alive. The real championship in hurling ;)

Wexican55 (Wexford) - Posts: 11 - 11/05/2024 17:44:38    2544123

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Good steady performance from the minors. 10 point win up in Offaly. Semi final against Dublin next. If we win then a Leinster final. If we lose then an AI preliminary quarter final against Cork or Waterford.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12799 - 11/05/2024 18:27:50    2544139

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Some game of hurling in munster. Non stop.

Carlow will be so up for next week. I keep saying it but huge intensity and fight needed from the throw in. Its going to be a physical game.

Hopefully the week off will do us good too

Yellowhelmet (Australia) - Posts: 95 - 11/05/2024 19:46:13    2544156

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