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Wexford Hurling thread 2024

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Unless my maths are wrong, since the Leinster Final in 2019, we've played in 11 Championship games that were one-score games at the end of the regulation 70. Our record? Won 1, Drew 4, and Lost 6

Won: Kilkenny (2023)
Drew: Kilkenny (2021), Galway (2022), Westmeath (2022), Dublin (2024)
Lost: Tipperary (2019), Clare (2021), Dublin (2022), Dublin (2023), Westmeath (2023), Antrim (2024)

Think we've played nine other Championship games in that timeframe and our record in them is Won 5 and Lost 4

ElGranSenor (Wexford) - Posts: 472 - 27/04/2024 21:18:47    2541040

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We've played seven games this year between League and Championship, six of those were one-score games: one win, four draws, and one loss. It's funny because I know some people like to write it off as League =/= Championship but we were in trouble against Offaly who are Joe McDonagh yet were able to compete with Waterford, Kilkenny, and Clare. For me, it's the same old story, we raise our game against top teams and we lower it versus non-top teams, hence why we are in so many close games. Again, it's not a question of ability, it's a question of mentality

ElGranSenor (Wexford) - Posts: 472 - 27/04/2024 21:24:16    2541042

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "Don't wish to be smart, but mediocre and all as Dublin are - and prize most likely be another hammering by Munster finalist in quarter final - we do not lose the games Wexford do."
You have a higher floor and lower ceiling

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15598 - 27/04/2024 21:52:54    2541051

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Replying To Tiger1:  "If we beat Galway at home next week we have carlow and kk in last 2 matches which will leave us on 7 pts no need to be so downbeat now is the time to get behind the players."
Spot on. Its up to them to get themselves out of the mess they've put themselves in!

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15598 - 27/04/2024 21:54:17    2541053

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Replying To Tiger1:  "If we beat Galway at home next week we have carlow and kk in last 2 matches which will leave us on 7 pts no need to be so downbeat now is the time to get behind the players."
We have to comment on the last 2 games tho. That's our problem in wexford always looking to next game. Nothing suggest we will get results in the next 3 games. It's been awful. Need to call it out

Yellowhelmet (Australia) - Posts: 136 - 27/04/2024 21:55:16    2541054

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "Don't wish to be smart, but mediocre and all as Dublin are - and prize most likely be another hammering by Munster finalist in quarter final - we do not lose the games Wexford do."
Difference between Wexford and Dublin is that Dublin win the games they should win and lose the games they should lose whereas Wexford lose the games they should win and win the games they should lose

ElGranSenor (Wexford) - Posts: 472 - 27/04/2024 22:23:01    2541067

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Replying To ElGranSenor:  "We've played seven games this year between League and Championship, six of those were one-score games: one win, four draws, and one loss. It's funny because I know some people like to write it off as League =/= Championship but we were in trouble against Offaly who are Joe McDonagh yet were able to compete with Waterford, Kilkenny, and Clare. For me, it's the same old story, we raise our game against top teams and we lower it versus non-top teams, hence why we are in so many close games. Again, it's not a question of ability, it's a question of mentality"
Everything goes up a few notches in championship though and a lot of Wexford hurlers seem to struggle with that level of hurling when it goes to full championship tilt.

Less time on the ball, hooked, blocked or making the wrong decision because you don't have the same amount of time on the ball as you had in the league fixture 5 weeks previous.

That to me is down to ability or non-ability to hurl at that higher championship pace.

Past hurler (None) - Posts: 919 - 27/04/2024 22:36:02    2541069

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It's a pure mentality thing it's as simple as that tbh. These lads are more than capable of going out and putting a massive performance in against your kilkenny or Clares but then walk out the next week and get beat by Antrim. Season over and it's not even May. I'll support them until the last game but even I the most optimistic of fans am struggling to see through the bullshit now. Feel sorry for Chin say he day dreams about being born in limerick every now and then and could you blame him such a fantastic hard working talent surrounded by everything he isn't.

ChinCanHurl (Wexford) - Posts: 302 - 27/04/2024 22:51:31    2541072

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And as regards to management how did it take so long to make a change??? Absolutely mad stuff.

ChinCanHurl (Wexford) - Posts: 302 - 27/04/2024 22:52:46    2541073

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Replying To ElGranSenor:  "Difference between Wexford and Dublin is that Dublin win the games they should win and lose the games they should lose whereas Wexford lose the games they should win and win the games they should lose"
Interesting existential observation! Anyway, we are both in different parts of Purgatory. Underage suggests neither of our counties is going to a different place any time soon, unfortunately.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3490 - 27/04/2024 22:54:04    2541074

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I love reading this even after winning today they are still not being mentioned as getting out in3rd..think they have Dublin at home,they'll fancy that and Carlow to come aswell..win those and they have 6 points,surely would get out..Wexford are really after making it very hard for themselves and will definitely need a win against kk or Galway to have any chance..it's great that Leinster is getting more competitive and it's now very interesting..what a pity these games aren't free to air,it would definitely promote Leinster hurling.

CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 2506 - 27/04/2024 23:16:12    2541082

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It seems like the weeker teams are all targeting wexford now because they know we are week and cannot prepare mentally for these games,I can't see kk targeting galway tomorrow, but they will target us at home and dublin, beat us and dublin they are in a leinster final

fathermurphy (Wexford) - Posts: 326 - 27/04/2024 23:20:29    2541083

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Replying To tearintom:  "A lot of truth in that, realism isn't a popular trait.

I mean I seen a comment a few pages back along the lines of at least 3 of our players would walk on to any team in Ireland including Limericks, delusional stuff.

I was guilty myself of putting a lot of our failure down to the previous manager and I'm beginning to wonder myself have I been guilty of lacking realism.

Maybe just above Mc Donagh cup level is where we are at. Richie Hogan made a valid point today that we are a team that seems to have just 2 gears, when we are in top gear we can give anyone a game but when we slip out of that gear we drop right down the levels with no in-between.

I don't know, it's hard to gauge what's going on, I do think we need positional changes, we have a hakf back line that is so weak under a high ball its scary, the effort Donohoe made to clear the ball for their 2nd goal was utterly pathetic, our full back line isn't a whole lot better, midfield non existent, Rory showed a bit today, Cian Byrne likewise and Chin basically carried the team on his back, Fanning is well, Fanning!

We desperately need some physicality, throughout the pitch, but once again we were simply our fought, again! You can have all the skill you want, have all the facilities, have all the training but the fight and willingness to battle is either in you or it isn't and to be honest we have question marks over it. Again."
Its funny you should mention Daragh Egan. That stuff last year drove me demented some of the stuff written and spoken.

Egan got pillared for trying to play Rory O'connor as a spare man in the middle third during the league last year. Guess what we tried for the first half today ?

Egan again got pillared for the performance and team selection against clare when they annihilated us in a nothing league match when trying to build a squad and give players games. Guess what happened this year in the league against Cork.

Egan again got pillared for the match against westmeath this time publicly on certain radio stations that lost a 17 point lead against westmeath ( even though he picked a team that was good enough to have a 17 point lead ). Guess what has happened this year a 5 point lead gone in 90 seconds and a 7 point lead lost in 20 minutes.

We have the same style of hurling we had which Egan started. chin and Mcdonald on the 14 yard line and hit the ball into them. I wouldn't be surprised to find out against Galway we go with Chin Mcdonald and Jack O'connor in a full forward line against galway ( which again Egan did to a certain extent against Clare in 22 and Kk Last year).

We have completely changed from playing into the space like we did in the league.

We don't know are we running team playing through lines, are we hit the two towers inside team or are we going to retreat create space and then try play into the space.

We don't have an identity. Actually we do Lee Chin is our identity which is not a good thing.

Last year the manager was the easy answer and we love easy answers in Wexford.

Wexican55 (Wexford) - Posts: 12 - 27/04/2024 23:33:18    2541088

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Thought that came in to my head on the way home - I think we're slowly becoming the new Offaly.

OpenStandWall (Wexford) - Posts: 246 - 27/04/2024 23:38:20    2541090

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I Think when we had the sweeper system and also leaders on the field ie Liam Ryan dee okeefe we has a game plan and stuck to it now we starting to get to clever the hail o Mary balls.its obvious that rossitor is no fan of the sweeper

Jimbob96 (Wexford) - Posts: 26 - 27/04/2024 23:56:41    2541092

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Replying To ElGranSenor:  "Might be unpopular but I think most of the reaction on here has been knee-jerk and people are way too quick to come to definitive judgements.

First of all, there are quite a few on here who think that we'd be Joe McDonagh standard without Lee Chin. The argument that we don't have the calibre of players to compete at Liam McCarthy level would be a good one if it wasn't for the fact that our Minor and U20 results are consistently a lot better than what Westmeath, Antrim, and Carlow achieve. People love to question the quality of our under-age structures, how far we've fallen behind, how uncompetitive we are; if that's the case and we're Joe McDonagh level, then what does that make Westmeath, Antrim, and Carlow?

I'm not saying we have good enough hurlers to win an All-Ireland; in reality, I believe our ceiling on a good day is going toe-to-toe with a top team not named Limerick and maybe winning (But not winning consistently enough to get beyond an All-Ireland SF). But we definitely have enough good hurlers without Lee Chin to compete at this level. We may have some tactical, physical, and technical issues but even with those, we should have been more than good enough to win today and win comfortably at that. Our biggest problem by far is mental.

Long story short, the gap between our ceiling and floor is huge, much bigger than any other team in the Liam McCarthy. It explains for me why we can compete with Kilkenny (For all that they weren't as incentivised as us the last two times to win) and yet at the same time completely flop against Antrim. We're like a horse who idles in front; we only go as hard as the other team goes. In Kilkenny, they go hard no matter who they're playing; that's why we play with intensity against them. No disrespect to them and they played well and very much deserved their win today but the gap between Antrim and Kilkenny is chasmic; we decided that we could mess around and not kill the game when 7 points up (Kilkenny would have won by 15+ in that situation) and we've only ourselves to blame, much like the Westmeath games in the last two years"
I think kk beat antrim by 30 points last week and scored something like 5-30.There definitely is a obsession with kk in Wexford. Yes Wexford never fear kk but they always back it up and you know what you will get everyday from them. Maybe its more jealousy than obsessed.kk going for 5 leinsters in a row and not a word from them. Today was another dark day for the hurlers.We can dress today up no matter way we want but the facts are this is embarrassing. Antrim havent won a match in a long time. I feel sorry for rossi because he is a gent. When lee goes there will be dark days ahead. Unfortunately the leaders from 2019 are nearly all finished and theres going to be some painful days trying to build another team.
Its clear now that the league was a waste of time and a false reading. Teams didn't bother with it. We had tom Dempsy and Ursula in the media saying how strong the panel is and theres 8 or 9 starters to come back. Im convinced if lee wasnt there Wexford would be in the joe mac
Yes id expect a better performance next week where under dogs will suit but very hard to see past galway. Its going to be hard pick lads off the ground again but alot of these lads have being here before.Its depressing and the hurling world will be having a giggle.Theres a big rebuild needed theres lads around the squad not good enough
I know its a few years ago now but the team never recovered from the way davie had them revved up to the last. Injuries very slow to heal. Is it a coincidence that clare 2013 lost a few through injury and it took clare 8 or 9 years to get back to the top table.
Carlow will definitely be no pushover they have played some good hurling.
Gakway have a great record in salthill and should win that. Kk have alot of injuries.

Slowandshortsighted (UK) - Posts: 55 - 28/04/2024 00:27:02    2541094

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We've already lost offaly to the hurling wilderness, and Dublin have considerably regressed since 2013 when they were genuinely good enough to win the all Ireland.
With possible relegation looming is wexford going the same way?
It's great to see a county like antrim take a big scalp but hurling needs every traditional county it can get.

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1942 - 28/04/2024 01:11:23    2541096

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "Don't wish to be smart, but mediocre and all as Dublin are - and prize most likely be another hammering by Munster finalist in quarter final - we do not lose the games Wexford do."
Nobody in say the top 8 teams, looses the games Wexford do simply because this Wexford team is fragile beyond belief.

Heartandhand96 (Wexford) - Posts: 21 - 28/04/2024 03:11:41    2541098

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Waking up in Belfast after a horrible day!!

The crowd was close to 50% Wexford but apart from Chin had little to get excited about. We went 7 points up and just stopped hurling and battling and we lost all the one on one battles for the last 20 minutes. Our discipline was poor and we gave away silly frees. When we drew in westmeath 2 years ago , we had a ref who absolutely rode us but yesterday we had the top ref in the game. After a really solid league, the confidence of the team is very low.

Lastly, it was great to see minors beat Kilkenny in what I believe was a cracking game.

wexfordwin (Wexford) - Posts: 191 - 28/04/2024 07:29:47    2541100

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Replying To StoreysTash:  "Good luck to our hurlers today.
Wexford need to stop with the inferiority complexes or leaving teams in games. We need to go up there saying "These boys are crap and we want this match done by half time". If we don't do that, after the hammering Kilkenny gave them we have no business coming out of Leinster.
We need to stop getting in to battles with inferior teams like we did with Westmeath last year. Or Dublin last Sunday, although I didn't see it. We have better hurlers than these teams. We need to go up there and go for goals and try to put the game to bed as clinically as possible. Anything less has to be unacceptable if we are to improve our fortunes as a hurling county.
Up Wexford. Come on lads set us up for a rattle v Galway. I know they don't rate us, lets prove them wrong."
The players played as if they thought "these boys are crap". Look where it got them.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15598 - 28/04/2024 07:49:07    2541102

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