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Can Gaelic Football (Handball?) Be Saved?

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Replying To Tirchonailabu56:  "Agree, said the same in older post, 13 aside will create more space and the main thing is any change cannot add extra workloads for the Referees.

I would also add go 13 aside and maximum of only 3 subs allowed in normal time which would be more advantageous to weaker counties who don't have the same strength and depth as your Dublins and Kerry's.

Also limit panels sizes to 19 (6 subs) to reduce costs.

Award 5 points for a goal
Award 2 points for point from play kicked outside the 45"
I agree with 3 subs. I would trial 13 aside with the 3 subs and see how that goes.

Personally, I wouldn't touch the scoring system for the time being.

tribesmen (Galway) - Posts: 150 - 01/05/2024 06:38:33    2542133

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Replying To omahant:  "Suppose we came up with 10 brainstorming ideas but only one was the "magic bullet" - wouldn't that be all we need.

I had two main ideas that didn't get much support here - but that's OK - let's keep thinking and not be afraid to put something else out there.

Again, my two main ideas:
1) Offside Rule - No more than 4-on-4 plus the defending goalkeeper inside the 45, when the ball ENTERS in an attacking direction. After the ball enters, there is no player limit until the defence moves the ball out again to between the 45s, which reinstates the "no more than 4-on-4" again. Violation is a free kick, in or out, at the 20.

2) Two-Zone Forward Kick Pass Requirement - The defence is required to always make a "two-zone forward kick pass" EITHER from Zone 1 (behind defensive 45) to Zone 3 (between the 65s); OR from Zone 2 (behind defensive 65) to Zone 4 (beyond attacking 65). Violation is a free kick at midfield."
Please stop….!!!

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 1944 - 01/05/2024 07:19:39    2542134

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Replying To omahant:  "In an unbroken sequence of possessions, what is a reasonable "keep ball" limit?

How about - the defence has 20 seconds to move the ball beyond the defensive 45; 20 seconds more to beyond the attacking 45; and a final 20 seconds to register a score, wide or turnover.

The "20 Seconds Rule" could be "unscientific", not to overburden the ref, who could just make a "best judgement call" in determining if the team in possession is 'generally' moving the ball forward and attempting a score within each time limit."
I think 20 seconds would be way too short.

What I'm suggesting we avoid is the effective truce you see when the defence is well set and the attacking team play the ball around in their backs to keep possession and probe until one of the defenders fall asleep. The crowd generally fall asleep before a defenders concentration drops leading to many of the "intriguing" games we see at the moment..

brianb (Kildare) - Posts: 292 - 01/05/2024 09:01:45    2542144

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Any idea and suggestions, no matter how mad anyone might think they are is better than no suggestion. And constructive criticism is good and not meant to offend anyone. I'm a bit fascinated to see what they come up with:

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GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7360 - 01/05/2024 09:58:18    2542165

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Replying To tribesmen:  "What problems do you think 13 aside would bring at club level? If anything I think it would help clubs with a smaller pick"
I have no issue with them trialling it. And i think we should definitely have a rolling subs system. Most clubs at senior and intermediate are fielding 2 adult teams. In my experience in the past 6 or 7 years that is definitely the case. 13 a side means 2 are dropped and then number 18, 19 on matchday panel have less chance of getting any game time. More a management and player problem than anything else.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7907 - 01/05/2024 13:44:02    2542252

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Games for the most part are difficult to watch because of tactical set-ups. Predominantly a defensive approach. There isn't much point in tinkering with rules that don't have potential to make this defensive ploy less effective. As a spectacle we want to see a more flowing game and one that presents more one-on-one contests; I think most people would agree. The solution lies is creating more space; 13-a-side is a step in that direction; certainly much easier than increasing the playing area. Another tweak is to bring the kickout back to the edge of the small rectangle; there is a huge amount of unplayable space behind the 'keeper when they are kicking at the moment. This may encourage more pressure up high as the reward for an interception closer in would be higher - that's not to say teams won't simply concede the kickout as they do now but there could be more incentive not to. The reality is that astute coaches will navigate any new rule pretty quickly; likewise lazy coaches will simply revert to type and 'Park the bus'. At the end of the day it's the poorer teams who can only play the slow lateral game. Often times this is because of the poor coaches. Dublin, Kerry, Donegal, Galway, Derry and perhaps one or two more are comfortable playing against these tactics and are happy they'll come out on top regardless. I'm expecting (hoping maybe) the Review Committee to come back with a plan which includes coach development, calendar restructure and games promotion much more than a focus on trying to 'fix' things with additional rules.

fizzygravy (USA) - Posts: 145 - 01/05/2024 23:42:22    2542366

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "Please stop….!!!"
The man is throwing out ideas.
Read a different thread if you want want to read about new rule changes in a thread about saving football

tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1126 - 02/05/2024 06:06:01    2542384

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Replying To tirawleybaron:  "The man is throwing out ideas.
Read a different thread if you want want to read about new rule changes in a thread about saving football"
Cheers, man.
Generally, I feel brainstorming is better than those other alternatives, which are laced with fear, inertia and a lack of ambition and confidence - but to each 'their' own.

omahant (USA) - Posts: 2614 - 02/05/2024 18:45:02    2542523

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