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Replying To thelongridge: "People who enjoy other sports follow the Rugby World Cup, because it is a major event, with an Irish team involved, with a chance of winning the tournament. The quarter final v NZ, tomorrow night will attract a huge viewership, including myself. When the tournament ends, or Ireland's interest ceases, GAA supporters will revert back to their club/ county. It is great for Ireland to be involved this year, and every good luck to them.
Rugby will still be a minority sport in Ireland after Gaelic games, and soccer, when this year's competition ends." you dont need to call it a minority sport to try and dismiss it. everything is a minority sport compared to the largest.
no big deal.
its still one of the largest sports in the country compared to nearly all others in eevry metric
KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 4010 - 13/10/2023 13:42:07
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Replying To Square_B: "I wouldn't quite say that... I can't see an explosion of rugby clubs for sure but in the cities and larger provincial towns it will always be a threat. Look at the likes of Ratoath, it has a soccer, GAA & rugby club in the town and it's not even the largest town in Meath. Outside of that it probably won't be but of course that will depend on where the nearest club is... parents are prepared to travel long distances (well in Leitrim they are anyhow). The big problem that Rugby will have is the lack of investment to put into facilities and people on the ground with the knowledge and know how to develop the game.... that's a lot harder to do than people think." There has been plenty of clubs started anew over the past decade or more.
Rugby clubs in general do well with facilities.
the provincial branches and IRFU assist hugely with knowledge for coaches to develop the game.
it is tricky to develop facilities but most clubs are ok/getting there.
KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 4010 - 13/10/2023 13:44:51
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Like most of Ireland I will be cheering them on as they are doing great things in their sport but I do not see it as a threat considering it is still mainly a private school sport, certainly at the top level, of the home grown players who started against Scotland 11 went to school in ireland 10 of these went to private schools .
Keenan Blackrock college private/Fee paying
Ringrose Blackrock college private/Fee paying
Sexton St Mary's college private/Fee paying
Porter St Andrews private/Fee paying
Sheehan Clongowes private/Fee paying
Furlong Cood Council college not sure
Beirne Clongowes private/Fee paying
Henderson belfast acadamy private/Fee paying
O'Mahoney Pesentation Brothers cork private/Fee paying
Van de Flier Wesley College private/Fee paying
Doris Blackrock college private/Fee paying
The biggest threat to GAA is the split season that leave Aug/Sept empty of games for people to follow. it is 13/10/2023 and most counties are only starting county finals
ulsterrules (Donegal) - Posts: 337 - 13/10/2023 13:47:14
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Replying To ulsterrules: "Like most of Ireland I will be cheering them on as they are doing great things in their sport but I do not see it as a threat considering it is still mainly a private school sport, certainly at the top level, of the home grown players who started against Scotland 11 went to school in ireland 10 of these went to private schools .
Keenan Blackrock college private/Fee paying
Ringrose Blackrock college private/Fee paying
Sexton St Mary's college private/Fee paying
Porter St Andrews private/Fee paying
Sheehan Clongowes private/Fee paying
Furlong Cood Council college not sure
Beirne Clongowes private/Fee paying
Henderson belfast acadamy private/Fee paying
O'Mahoney Pesentation Brothers cork private/Fee paying
Van de Flier Wesley College private/Fee paying
Doris Blackrock college private/Fee paying
The biggest threat to GAA is the split season that leave Aug/Sept empty of games for people to follow. it is 13/10/2023 and most counties are only starting county finals" Furlong went to non feeing paying Good Counsel 1 of the strongest GAA's schools in the country considering they compete in Leinster A in both codes.
TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 13/10/2023 14:04:49
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Replying To Magpie2: "We all really want Ireland to do well and hopefully win the final but undoubtedly it has to effect the Gaa. Young lads who probably would have automatically opted for hurling or football may now be thinking of playing rugby.
With the massive television coverage and with the high profile of the Irish players and the game in general its inevitable that there will be a crossover to the oval ball. That will seriously dilute the Gaa club scene and subsequently at intercounty level.
There isn't really anything the hierarchy of the Gaa can do to stop the rot except maybe through promotion of our games and injecting even more energy into making it attractive to play hurling or football. No easy task I'm afraid but every club and county must work hard to hold on to the players they have and promote the games in schools, colleges and clubs. They are of course doing this already but now there is massive competition out there. So to sit on our hands is not an option.
I'm all for freedom of choice but we must fight tooth and nail to maintain high standards.
Winning the world cup would be great for us as a nation but will there be a cost to pay down the road?" wow what a silly post! typical, so imature and so childish, this very same conversation went on in 66/67 after england won world cop , ever more so when jack charltons team was in their prime, the total opposite has happened, i remember a phone in on gaa radio show in early 90s one lad from antrim was nearly crying on air saying soccar was going to wipe out the gaa by the turn of the century, get a grip
Stmunnsriver (Wexford) - Posts: 3126 - 13/10/2023 14:12:07
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I think not to be honest.
Very very different demographics for the most part.
GAA is not just sport. It is culture.
Everything will have peaks and troughs but the gaa is too engrained in every community. Nothing will ever challenge it.
Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 4668 - 13/10/2023 14:14:31
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Replying To mickcunningham: "a cost of what . a young lad getting payed to play a vastly superior game to gaelic football . easy choice in my opinion . the gaa is in no way an attraction compared to rugby at elite level . pretty simple really" Superior sports shouldn't have to go begging to the GAA for lends of playing stadiums. The only way rugby is superior sport is in the advertising and ***** talk by TV hosts. More skill involved in GAA than rugby also. Simple really.
Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2947 - 13/10/2023 14:14:56
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Replying To ulsterrules: "Like most of Ireland I will be cheering them on as they are doing great things in their sport but I do not see it as a threat considering it is still mainly a private school sport, certainly at the top level, of the home grown players who started against Scotland 11 went to school in ireland 10 of these went to private schools .
Keenan Blackrock college private/Fee paying
Ringrose Blackrock college private/Fee paying
Sexton St Mary's college private/Fee paying
Porter St Andrews private/Fee paying
Sheehan Clongowes private/Fee paying
Furlong Cood Council college not sure
Beirne Clongowes private/Fee paying
Henderson belfast acadamy private/Fee paying
O'Mahoney Pesentation Brothers cork private/Fee paying
Van de Flier Wesley College private/Fee paying
Doris Blackrock college private/Fee paying
The biggest threat to GAA is the split season that leave Aug/Sept empty of games for people to follow. it is 13/10/2023 and most counties are only starting county finals" Wow. Some stat that.
Good Counsel is NOT fee paying . But 10 out of 11. Given that about 50 of our 730 schools are fee paying thats 7% of schools providing 91% of the irish educated starters. Okay some schools are not co-ed , so if that was factored in it would be 14% at most providing 91%. Crazy stat still.
Are these stats biased by the possibility that lads who might not ordinarily have gone to these fee paying schools did so on a rugby scholarship or partly funded because of rugby potential ???
anotheralias (Galway) - Posts: 1106 - 13/10/2023 14:39:00
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Replying To Square_B: "I wouldn't quite say that... I can't see an explosion of rugby clubs for sure but in the cities and larger provincial towns it will always be a threat. Look at the likes of Ratoath, it has a soccer, GAA & rugby club in the town and it's not even the largest town in Meath. Outside of that it probably won't be but of course that will depend on where the nearest club is... parents are prepared to travel long distances (well in Leitrim they are anyhow). The big problem that Rugby will have is the lack of investment to put into facilities and people on the ground with the knowledge and know how to develop the game.... that's a lot harder to do than people think." I have been heavily involved with rugby and GAA but when people hit adult level the vast, vast, vast majority of players who play both choose GAA and drop rugby. That's been the case for the past 20 years and isn't going to change therefore it is no threat to the GAA.
TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8929 - 13/10/2023 14:40:07
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I do enjoy watching Rugby and obviously will be cheering for the Irish lads to go all the way but some of the goys drinking heino who follow the Rugby are unbearable to say the least. GAA will always be king :)
Meath10 (Meath) - Posts: 209 - 13/10/2023 14:59:44
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Replying To ulsterrules: "Like most of Ireland I will be cheering them on as they are doing great things in their sport but I do not see it as a threat considering it is still mainly a private school sport, certainly at the top level, of the home grown players who started against Scotland 11 went to school in ireland 10 of these went to private schools .
Keenan Blackrock college private/Fee paying
Ringrose Blackrock college private/Fee paying
Sexton St Mary's college private/Fee paying
Porter St Andrews private/Fee paying
Sheehan Clongowes private/Fee paying
Furlong Cood Council college not sure
Beirne Clongowes private/Fee paying
Henderson belfast acadamy private/Fee paying
O'Mahoney Pesentation Brothers cork private/Fee paying
Van de Flier Wesley College private/Fee paying
Doris Blackrock college private/Fee paying
The biggest threat to GAA is the split season that leave Aug/Sept empty of games for people to follow. it is 13/10/2023 and most counties are only starting county finals" Good post, and yes it is true that most of the Irish players went to rugby schools, which are primarily fee paying. However, in recent years Christians of Cork, which was in the past a fee paying rugby playing school, now plays hurling also, and in recent years have been competing well in Harty Cup. Some players adept in both codes have been choosing rugby, and as Ireland continues to enjoy this unprecedented success, this trend can only continue. Strong GAA nurseries in the past were primarily run by the Catholic Church very often as boarding schools, Saint Kieran's ,St Peters and St. Brendan's for example but some like Farranferris in Cork are no longer in existence.The trend is for kids to attend community colleges will continue, and these schools play GAA, soccer and rugby!
Ryanteam (Cork) - Posts: 586 - 13/10/2023 15:13:37
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Replying To ulsterrules: "Like most of Ireland I will be cheering them on as they are doing great things in their sport but I do not see it as a threat considering it is still mainly a private school sport, certainly at the top level, of the home grown players who started against Scotland 11 went to school in ireland 10 of these went to private schools .
Keenan Blackrock college private/Fee paying
Ringrose Blackrock college private/Fee paying
Sexton St Mary's college private/Fee paying
Porter St Andrews private/Fee paying
Sheehan Clongowes private/Fee paying
Furlong Cood Council college not sure
Beirne Clongowes private/Fee paying
Henderson belfast acadamy private/Fee paying
O'Mahoney Pesentation Brothers cork private/Fee paying
Van de Flier Wesley College private/Fee paying
Doris Blackrock college private/Fee paying
The biggest threat to GAA is the split season that leave Aug/Sept empty of games for people to follow. it is 13/10/2023 and most counties are only starting county finals" Agree totally with you last comment on the split season. It's not Rugby per se that is the thread but the lack of media attention, TV, discussion in schools etc that is the threat to the GAA with the split season. If the All Irelands had been in Sept the impact of the World Cup would have been mitigated somewhat. It seems a long time since the All Ireland's in July even more so for all the counties that were out of the championship since the end of May. Luckily in Limerick we are winning All Irelands at the moment but even at that a child that is playing hurling and Rugby may be tempted to concentrate on Rugby looking at the success of the Ireland and the potential to turn pro. The GAA have introduced the split season but yet I do not see any promotional campains at National Levels to offset this.
journeyman (Limerick) - Posts: 144 - 13/10/2023 15:26:52
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Replying To PattyONeill: "It makes no difference to me if Ireland do well or not. I won't be watching any of the games." Thanks, I was really worried whether you were watching it or not
DuhallowRed (Cork) - Posts: 338 - 13/10/2023 15:38:53
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Replying To Saynothing: "Superior sports shouldn't have to go begging to the GAA for lends of playing stadiums. The only way rugby is superior sport is in the advertising and ***** talk by TV hosts. More skill involved in GAA than rugby also. Simple really." I think begging is a bit of a stretch, they asked and the GAA approved.
DuhallowRed (Cork) - Posts: 338 - 13/10/2023 15:42:06
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Replying To KillingFields: "There has been plenty of clubs started anew over the past decade or more.
Rugby clubs in general do well with facilities.
the provincial branches and IRFU assist hugely with knowledge for coaches to develop the game.
it is tricky to develop facilities but most clubs are ok/getting there." I'm sure there has been lots of clubs formed in the last decade but I'm not expecting an explosion of clubs as the game has to be able to sustain the investment that would be needed to get to the next 200 clubs. The level of clubs vs GAA is quite small in fairness (c200 vs c2400). And yes, the clubs that I have seen do have very good facilities but there are cases, like the example I've provided earlier, where a lot of fundraising will be needed to get to the next level.
Square_B (Leitrim) - Posts: 2433 - 13/10/2023 15:54:22
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In limerick there's already huge crossover between rugby and hurling supporters with both sports pulling from the same demographic in the greater limerick city area and also at underage level participation numbers .
There's great rugby players whose sons are now good hurlers and great hurlers of the past who's sons are good rugby players and in Limerick by and large both sports are doing fine together . Soccer tends to pull from a different demographic.
I could see Gaelic football which isn't big in limerick losing out around Ireland as Rugby is a far more entertaining game to watch than it and may encourage more youngsters in football areas to switch codes with so many people talking rugby rather than about the defensive Gaelic football matchs shown on tv .
OpenStand (Limerick) - Posts: 778 - 13/10/2023 15:55:56
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Replying To TheFlaker: "I have been heavily involved with rugby and GAA but when people hit adult level the vast, vast, vast majority of players who play both choose GAA and drop rugby. That's been the case for the past 20 years and isn't going to change therefore it is no threat to the GAA." Unless you can predict what might happen in the next 20 years I don't believe it's fair to say that rugby is NO threat (no being none at all is what I'm getting from the tone of your first post). If it's of no threat as you say, it doesn't say much about the ambitions of the IRFU into the future.
Square_B (Leitrim) - Posts: 2433 - 13/10/2023 16:04:03
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Not sure if it's been mentioned
But I think Rugby at all levels is in for a tough time in the years ahead with the following
Latest lawsuit shows that serious brain injury is seen at all levels of the sport
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/sport/2023/feb/02/latest-lawsuit-shows-brain-injuries-are-factor-at-all-levels-of-rugby
The physicality of the sport now, at an all time high compared to previous incarnations of the game, unfortunately there's probably several prominent players across the current word cup that could be seriously ill in the years ahead.
Concussion is a common injury in the sport. Not a good thing by any means.
Personally wouldn't be sending my kids near it, that's just my own take on it.
jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 13/10/2023 16:37:34
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Replying To KillingFields: "It isnt reality at all. inverse is also true.
Theres plenty playing gaelic not good enough for the rugby or lads who would warm bench in rugby.
Gaelic football and soccer will always be ahead in terms of numbers but rugby has increased in numbers and popularity and if we continue to do better at pro level and number of clubs increases then rugby will be fine." It's reality where I live. Maybe not where you're from. Although I'd guess limericks recent success in Hurling has boosting the game even further int he city and county.
yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 12262 - 13/10/2023 16:49:21
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Replying To OpenStand: "In limerick there's already huge crossover between rugby and hurling supporters with both sports pulling from the same demographic in the greater limerick city area and also at underage level participation numbers .
There's great rugby players whose sons are now good hurlers and great hurlers of the past who's sons are good rugby players and in Limerick by and large both sports are doing fine together . Soccer tends to pull from a different demographic.
I could see Gaelic football which isn't big in limerick losing out around Ireland as Rugby is a far more entertaining game to watch than it and may encourage more youngsters in football areas to switch codes with so many people talking rugby rather than about the defensive Gaelic football matchs shown on tv ." Rugby more entertaining than Gaelic Football? Don't make me laugh.
yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 12262 - 13/10/2023 16:50:16
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