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I'm always interested in clubs winning county titles and bringing pride and celebration to their part of whatever county it is.

What is the biggest gap between a last senior title and that clubs next title that you can remember in your county. Be it football or hurling?

In leitrim Annaduff won the football title in 2004 for the first time since 1928, 76 year gap, it's the biggest gap I can remember in leitrim. Fenagh St. Caillins, if they win it this year (one of the favourites to do so and let's hope they do) will bridge a 91 year gap going back to 1932.

Surely there is bigger gaps and more celebrated ones through the country. Unfortunately first time winners don't come in to this as great as they are indeed. Let's find the biggest gap between winning one and winning it again….

leitrim4sam (Leitrim) - Posts: 624 - 28/08/2023 22:31:07    2502741

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Replying To leitrim4sam:  "I'm always interested in clubs winning county titles and bringing pride and celebration to their part of whatever county it is.

What is the biggest gap between a last senior title and that clubs next title that you can remember in your county. Be it football or hurling?

In leitrim Annaduff won the football title in 2004 for the first time since 1928, 76 year gap, it's the biggest gap I can remember in leitrim. Fenagh St. Caillins, if they win it this year (one of the favourites to do so and let's hope they do) will bridge a 91 year gap going back to 1932.

Surely there is bigger gaps and more celebrated ones through the country. Unfortunately first time winners don't come in to this as great as they are indeed. Let's find the biggest gap between winning one and winning it again…."
St Fintans had a 50 year gap between senior county football titles in Wexford. In hurling Cloughbawn had a 38 year gap. If you count name changes, Pikeman!, I think Shels had an 84 year gap since Sally Beachers won in 1930.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11134 - 29/08/2023 10:35:28    2502781

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66 years in Longford for St. Columbas Mullinalaghta..
Won it in 1950 and the next time they won it was 2016.

Spinx (Longford) - Posts: 1212 - 29/08/2023 11:38:52    2502798

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Monaghan- Latton went 75 years (1930 to 2005) and have won it a couple more times since.
Inniskeen last won in 1947 and are looking like they might bridge the gap this year.

Eddie the Exile (Monaghan) - Posts: 1036 - 29/08/2023 11:49:26    2502806

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Bennettsbridge won their first Kilkenny Senior Hurling Championship in 1890. They won their next (2nd) SHC, 62 years later in 1952.

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2389 - 29/08/2023 12:08:50    2502813

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Replying To Viking66:  "St Fintans had a 50 year gap between senior county football titles in Wexford. In hurling Cloughbawn had a 38 year gap. If you count name changes, Pikeman!, I think Shels had an 84 year gap since Sally Beachers won in 1930."
Let's just say the Sally Beachers/Shelmaliers thing is open to interpretation :)

My understanding is that Sally Beachers first spilt into two other clubs - St. Ibar's (the name still used by the camogie club in the area), and another one whose name escapes me. Some years later, these two clubs then came together again, and this time chose the name Shelmaliers. But correct to say anyway that there was a gap of 84 years in county senior hurling titles coming to the parish.

Longest gap in Wexford for a club operating under the same name was for St. Anne's (Rathangan) - they won it in 1924, and then waited 76 years before winning it again when they did the double in 2000.

In football, St. Fintan's is the longest all right. Next longest is Gusserane, who had 41 years beween 1975 and 2016 - a long gap for a club that were genuine contenders for many of those years.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2120 - 29/08/2023 12:18:29    2502814

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "Let's just say the Sally Beachers/Shelmaliers thing is open to interpretation :)

My understanding is that Sally Beachers first spilt into two other clubs - St. Ibar's (the name still used by the camogie club in the area), and another one whose name escapes me. Some years later, these two clubs then came together again, and this time chose the name Shelmaliers. But correct to say anyway that there was a gap of 84 years in county senior hurling titles coming to the parish.

Longest gap in Wexford for a club operating under the same name was for St. Anne's (Rathangan) - they won it in 1924, and then waited 76 years before winning it again when they did the double in 2000.

In football, St. Fintan's is the longest all right. Next longest is Gusserane, who had 41 years beween 1975 and 2016 - a long gap for a club that were genuine contenders for many of those years."
Are you sure that 1924 win was the Anne's? They don't claim it on their website and Dominic reckons that Ballyhogue won it that year in his book? They beat O Hanrahans on the 13th June 1926 in Clonroche in the 1924 Final. Bill Curtis was captain. And it was a 2 in a row as they won the 1921 Final on the 17th May 1925 , beating Gusserane in Taghmon.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11134 - 29/08/2023 13:40:20    2502836

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "Let's just say the Sally Beachers/Shelmaliers thing is open to interpretation :)

My understanding is that Sally Beachers first spilt into two other clubs - St. Ibar's (the name still used by the camogie club in the area), and another one whose name escapes me. Some years later, these two clubs then came together again, and this time chose the name Shelmaliers. But correct to say anyway that there was a gap of 84 years in county senior hurling titles coming to the parish.

Longest gap in Wexford for a club operating under the same name was for St. Anne's (Rathangan) - they won it in 1924, and then waited 76 years before winning it again when they did the double in 2000.

In football, St. Fintan's is the longest all right. Next longest is Gusserane, who had 41 years beween 1975 and 2016 - a long gap for a club that were genuine contenders for many of those years."
Sorry wires crossed. Anne's don't claim the 1924 hurling title on their website, although a district selection is credited with winning it. The district selection is listed separately to St Annes by Dominic too in his roll of honour. According to his roll of honour I was wrong about Cloughbawn being the longest too, as he credits Oylegate with the 1915 and 1916 wins, which means that they had a gap of 47 years.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11134 - 29/08/2023 13:47:32    2502839

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "Let's just say the Sally Beachers/Shelmaliers thing is open to interpretation :)

My understanding is that Sally Beachers first spilt into two other clubs - St. Ibar's (the name still used by the camogie club in the area), and another one whose name escapes me. Some years later, these two clubs then came together again, and this time chose the name Shelmaliers. But correct to say anyway that there was a gap of 84 years in county senior hurling titles coming to the parish.

Longest gap in Wexford for a club operating under the same name was for St. Anne's (Rathangan) - they won it in 1924, and then waited 76 years before winning it again when they did the double in 2000.

In football, St. Fintan's is the longest all right. Next longest is Gusserane, who had 41 years beween 1975 and 2016 - a long gap for a club that were genuine contenders for many of those years."
By district selection does that mean player from all of Wexford district?

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11134 - 29/08/2023 13:48:49    2502840

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Replying To Viking66:  "By district selection does that mean player from all of Wexford district?"
The St. Anne's thing is curious. I've had in my head ever since they won it in 2000 that it was their first since 1924 (the year 1924 stuck with me because it's the year that the old house in my home place was built). It's mentioned at the end of this newspaper report from the time too, so that "fact" must have been doing the rounds at the time:
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Not aware of a St. Anne's website, and can't find it by way of a simple google. And while I do have a copy of the club history book from a few years ago, it's one of those that I loaned out somewhere, and never got back. Maybe you know the feeling yourself.

Anyway, checking Dominic's "Bible" now, and he's somewhat inconsistent:
- Lists "St. Anne's Rathangan (District team)" in the year-by-year results of county finals
- Then calls it just "Rathangan (District team)" where he lists all the title-winning squads
- And then just credits the win to "Wexford District" in his actual roll of honour a few pages later.

Make of that what you will.

For what it's worth, Dominic's "Bible" is not infallible. For example, there's a man in my club who's listed as having played in the 1973 All-Ireland U21 Hurling Final (when he would have been 23 years old), instead of the 1971 Final, which he actually played in.

There's also a table on page 266 that's supposed to show the highest individual scoring tallies in hurling matches, but it doesn't include the 3-9 that Ned Buggy scored against Carlow in the League in 1982, that would put him fourth on the list overall (behind three higher tallies by Nickey Rackard).

These are just small nits, though. It's still a fantastic piece of work overall.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2120 - 29/08/2023 15:24:30    2502872

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "The St. Anne's thing is curious. I've had in my head ever since they won it in 2000 that it was their first since 1924 (the year 1924 stuck with me because it's the year that the old house in my home place was built). It's mentioned at the end of this newspaper report from the time too, so that "fact" must have been doing the rounds at the time:
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Not aware of a St. Anne's website, and can't find it by way of a simple google. And while I do have a copy of the club history book from a few years ago, it's one of those that I loaned out somewhere, and never got back. Maybe you know the feeling yourself.

Anyway, checking Dominic's "Bible" now, and he's somewhat inconsistent:
- Lists "St. Anne's Rathangan (District team)" in the year-by-year results of county finals
- Then calls it just "Rathangan (District team)" where he lists all the title-winning squads
- And then just credits the win to "Wexford District" in his actual roll of honour a few pages later.

Make of that what you will.

For what it's worth, Dominic's "Bible" is not infallible. For example, there's a man in my club who's listed as having played in the 1973 All-Ireland U21 Hurling Final (when he would have been 23 years old), instead of the 1971 Final, which he actually played in.

There's also a table on page 266 that's supposed to show the highest individual scoring tallies in hurling matches, but it doesn't include the 3-9 that Ned Buggy scored against Carlow in the League in 1982, that would put him fourth on the list overall (behind three higher tallies by Nickey Rackard).

These are just small nits, though. It's still a fantastic piece of work overall."
It is! Must've took ages to do!

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11134 - 29/08/2023 15:49:48    2502876

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So annaduff in Leitrim with 76 years from 1928 to 2004 is still the record in football.

84 years in hurling with shelmalier gaa but includes a name change and a two clubs forming a new one but a senior title returned to the parish.

So 62 years is the record so far with Bennettsbridge in Kilkenny for a club throughout it's duration for a return to senior success.

76 years in football with annaduff
62 years in hurling with bennettsbridge

Surely there is bigger gaps out there??

leitrim4sam (Leitrim) - Posts: 624 - 29/08/2023 18:06:14    2502906

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I found a new record - Kilbride in Roscommon senior football champions in 2000 first time since 1914- 86 years

Boyle had a chance last year to bridge a 95 year gap in Roscommon going back to 1927 but lost in the final to strokestown by a point

leitrim4sam (Leitrim) - Posts: 624 - 29/08/2023 18:14:05    2502907

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Replying To leitrim4sam:  "I'm always interested in clubs winning county titles and bringing pride and celebration to their part of whatever county it is.

What is the biggest gap between a last senior title and that clubs next title that you can remember in your county. Be it football or hurling?

In leitrim Annaduff won the football title in 2004 for the first time since 1928, 76 year gap, it's the biggest gap I can remember in leitrim. Fenagh St. Caillins, if they win it this year (one of the favourites to do so and let's hope they do) will bridge a 91 year gap going back to 1932.

Surely there is bigger gaps and more celebrated ones through the country. Unfortunately first time winners don't come in to this as great as they are indeed. Let's find the biggest gap between winning one and winning it again…."
The Sligo football final of 2000 must surely be unique in regard to long gaps. Finalists Bunninadden and Coolera had both only one previous title win, Bunninadden in 1891 and Coolera in 1907, over 200 years combined!

Bunninadden won it with a last gasp goal to bridge their 109 year gap. Coolera had to wait a bit longer but they did win in 2005, so ending a 98 year gap.

ChasingShadows (Sligo) - Posts: 54 - 29/08/2023 18:31:29    2502911

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Ballylanders in Limerick went all of 82 years from 1917 with
their first county senior football title win to 1999 with their second. I think they have won a couple since, in this new millennium.

foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 1859 - 29/08/2023 20:16:30    2502914

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Boyle lost the Roscommon county final last year by 1 point to Strokestown. Boyle had been hoping to bridge a 95 year gap since their last title in the Roscommon senior football championship but the wait goes on. A long time.

endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 2126 - 29/08/2023 22:19:33    2502920

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Charlestown Sarsfields in Mayo won their first Mayo Senior Championship in 1902. They had to wait till 2001 to win their next one a gap of 99 years.

Ollie2 (Louth) - Posts: 769 - 04/09/2023 11:48:33    2502962

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First that comes to mind is Magherafelt in 2019 after 41 years and first time in Derry final in 36 years. They are big underachievers given the population of the town.
Looking at the records St.Patricks Loup in 2003 won after 67 years although they have fallen back in recent years and don't even have any county players. They went from being a Junior club to being Ulster senior champions within 15 years. They have a very large catchment area if you look at the map though.
Another club that are underachieving are Dungiven, a fairly large village mostly Catholic and haven't won in 26 years. They also don't have any players in the county senior team which should be embarrassing for them given that they had 3 players in the 1993 team.

PattyONeill (Derry) - Posts: 202 - 04/09/2023 13:43:27    2502993

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Replying To PattyONeill:  "First that comes to mind is Magherafelt in 2019 after 41 years and first time in Derry final in 36 years. They are big underachievers given the population of the town.
Looking at the records St.Patricks Loup in 2003 won after 67 years although they have fallen back in recent years and don't even have any county players. They went from being a Junior club to being Ulster senior champions within 15 years. They have a very large catchment area if you look at the map though.
Another club that are underachieving are Dungiven, a fairly large village mostly Catholic and haven't won in 26 years. They also don't have any players in the county senior team which should be embarrassing for them given that they had 3 players in the 1993 team."
Fairly large unionist community in Magherafelt though.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11134 - 04/09/2023 14:17:35    2503002

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Kerry hurling has had a few.

Just this year Crotta O'Neills bridged a 55 year gap.

Ballyduff won the 1891 title, and won the All-Ireland, but didn't win it again for 64 years in 1955.

Abbeydorney went from 1913 to 1974 without a title and haven't won it since.

Carrigtwohill won their first title in 91 years in Cork when they won in 2011.

oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1360 - 05/09/2023 08:20:57    2503098

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