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That free count stat was unbelievable considering the possession stats. Something similar happened a few years ago for our men's team if you recall. Very one sided officiating it seems. Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 4229 - 18/08/2023 12:02:53 2501140 Link 0 |
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Or good officiating!When the free count is lopsided there can be two reasons. 1.Biased calls or 2.One team is fouling more than the other team. Seriously Fionn. Do you think refs are biased against Dublin? Do you think Dublin ever won games with the help of referees?. Now I accept we all biased and blinded towards our own and imo Kerry lost at least two big games due to ref imcompetence but also Kerry won two big games due to same reason. The reality is though a foul is a foul. CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3901 - 18/08/2023 12:51:34 2501154 Link 0 |
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I would never call a referee Imcompetent tbh.. Very harsh call that... On the free count, no matter who is playing - to see such a huge variance is strange. No one team goes out to commit that many more frees than their opponent, especially when they are winning so easily..... But referees can seem harsher on one team for some reason, be it, pressure, back chat or whatever... Only the referee can answer that one., But there have been multiple occasions where it appears referees seem to be trying to even up things or give a team the chance to find an equaliser or whatever. All I am saying is - when a team is penalised very heavily more than their opponent, surely the referee should be having a word with their captain and explain to them why he is calling foul against them so often. Similar to rugby. Too continue to give that many frees against a winning team seems strange when it is not clear that the team has actually fouled that many more times than their opponent... And I for one didnt feel that Dublin committed twice as many fouls as kerry, also giving we had so much possession. And that is my unbiased view without colour tinted glasses.... Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 4229 - 18/08/2023 14:57:53 2501194 Link 1 |
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No agenda at all. This time it just happened to be Dublin that got all the call's. It the inconsistency of the ref in big games. It not about the free count. You can have high number of free's for silly reasons. It's the dangerous tackles that been let go for certain teams and not the other that can be the difference in winning / losing games
Thejampot (Leitrim) - Posts: 354 - 18/08/2023 15:08:47 2501197 Link 0 |
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Great day out in Croker. I was hoping for a more competitive game but watching the Dublin performance was very enjoyable. They were super. Well done girls.. Ban (Westmeath) - Posts: 1468 - 18/08/2023 16:01:37 2501210 Link 0 |
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On the contrary when teams are winning especially towards the end of games they do tend to foul more. If fact In the game prior Kildare fouled an awful lot towards the end of gáme to protect their lead. Anyway thanks for reply Fionn as I was just interested in your viewpoint be it biased or unbiased.
CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3901 - 18/08/2023 17:11:34 2501220 Link 0 |
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Tbh I have nt watched the ladies final back although I was at it. I did see TSG though and a few said Dublin played on the edge. Now I have no excuses. Dublin were far better and totally deserved their win. I was nt taking any notice of frees etc until I saw your post Fionn and thought you were suggesting unfairness so I stated maybe the reason the free count is high is because of fouls. So I did a bit of research and the common consensus is Dublin ladies are very physical and foul alot. The final the free/foul count was 26 to 14 against Dublin. The semi final v Cork was even worse with the free/foul count 35 to 13 against Dublin and the quarter final v Donegal the free/foul count was once again a big amount 30 to 13 against Dublin. 3 games in a row and the count against Dublin is huge. Ironically the difference between Kerry and Dublin was 12 while Cork and Dublin was 22 and Donegal and Dublin 17. Now is that unusual or maybe Dublin do foul alot? CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3901 - 19/08/2023 00:01:48 2501254 Link 0 |
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Gaelic is not like rugby and the possession stat has not got the same meaning and implications for the game. However you do prove the point that with 26 frees there had to be yellows
zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1959 - 19/08/2023 05:02:16 2501255 Link 0 |
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That's not a very astute comment, of course possession stat has an influence on the ratio of fouls/frees per team in gaelic football. Surely you understand that the team with possession is less likely to foul than the team without possession. I know Gaelic is not like rugby, I didn't say it was, but thanks for reminding me??? sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 885 - 19/08/2023 10:04:23 2501268 Link 0 |
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I didn't see the Donegal game so from what I saw in the Cork and Kerry games the reasons for the disparity in frees awarded was threefold, 1. Yes there were some cynical fouls by the Dubs out the field, but a small number, low single figures. 2. Both Cork and Kerry ran the ball a lot more than Dublin, running into traffic and attracting tackles(fouls?). Conversely the Dublin girls(similar to the Dubs men) kicked the ball a lot more than their opponents and avoided contact (tackles/fouls?). 3. However I have no hesitation saying in both games Dublin's opponents were awarded some very soft frees. sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 885 - 19/08/2023 10:26:58 2501270 Link 1 |
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I didn't see the Donegal game so from what I saw in the Cork and Kerry games the reasons for the disparity in frees awarded was threefold, 1. Yes there were some cynical fouls by the Dubs out the field, but a small number, low single figures. 2. Both Cork and Kerry ran the ball a lot more than Dublin, running into traffic and attracting tackles(fouls?). Conversely the Dublin girls(similar to the Dubs men) kicked the ball a lot more than their opponents and avoided contact (tackles/fouls?). 3. However I have no hesitation saying in both games Dublin's opponents were awarded some very soft frees. sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 885 - 19/08/2023 10:27:13 2501271 Link 0 |
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When you have possession in rugby you have to constantly attack and therefore the defending team most likely to commit fouls and the fact that the penalty count may be low in that case is always put down to the defending teams discipline. So if you want to compare the two then you would say that Kerry were far more disciplined in their tacking than Dublin. That's not the case in football where the ball is played around between the teams without ever having to come into contact with the opposition - I would have though a Dublin supported would have understood that? the possession stat means very little in todays game.
zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1959 - 19/08/2023 15:08:33 2501320 Link 1 |
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Don't know why you introduced rugby as a comparison/contrast but as you did surely it is clear to you that it is rare for the team in possession to be penalised in Gaelic football, much more common in rugby. Anyhow pardon the opposite gender analogy but it was "men against boys" in the ladies final, on the day Kerry were gallant but clearly out of their depth. sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 885 - 19/08/2023 15:35:26 2501324 Link 2 |