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Replying To Yellaman:  "Why is it so strange ??"
It's unique. There isn't a similar temporary arrangement between any other clubs in the county. Not sure if there are in other counties.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11218 - 20/10/2023 12:02:43    2509407

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Replying To Viking66:  "It's unique. There isn't a similar temporary arrangement between any other clubs in the county. Not sure if there are in other counties."
I'm only asking because I don't know the details.
What kind of temporary arrangement?

Yellaman (Wexford) - Posts: 78 - 20/10/2023 13:02:28    2509430

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I was told by a friend back in the Summer that Gorey or Glynn would win the 21s. Best of the rest would be Martin's. Only one of those left now. Ballinastraw obviously carrying a bit of momentum with few lads playing a part in the Senior team.

SunnySouthEast (Wexford) - Posts: 12 - 20/10/2023 13:49:00    2509439

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Replying To Yellaman:  "Why is it so strange ??"
One thing that jumps out at me when I was at one of their football matches this year was that 60+ players named between both panels and they only field 2 teams so there's at least 20 lads that aren't getting much if any games and someone said that's it mostly Rock lads? Also if it's not permanent what happens if and when the arrangement was to cease? Would the rock stay intermediate ?

grassroots01 (Wexford) - Posts: 162 - 20/10/2023 13:49:36    2509440

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Replying To Yellaman:  "I'm only asking because I don't know the details.
What kind of temporary arrangement?"
someone else posted this back in july
Bit of an aside, but I'm growing more and more uneasy with the artificial life support arrangement for Tara Rocks. Mentioning it here since the three you say were best for them are all Kilanerin/Ballyfad players.

When the arrangement was first put in place (five or six years ago now - the exact date escapes me), it was supposed to a short-term thing to allow Tara Rocks get over the hump of low playing numbers of their own, and build back to a situation where they could field their own teams, even if only at Junior 'B'.

But they seem to have gone away from that altogether, and are instead more and more focused on what they can achieve with the Kilanerin/Ballyfad players in tow.

When they were last before the full County Board to seek approval for an extension of the arrangement, they were asked "what's your five-year plan?". Their answer was simply "to be playing senior hurling". No mention whatsoever of just fielding in their own right again, and an apparent stark reluctance to accept a drop back down the grades.

grassroots01 (Wexford) - Posts: 162 - 20/10/2023 13:51:51    2509442

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Woukd it be feasible for say St josephs to almslgamet with St nartins . To allow fir any year where St josephs did nt have the numbers .
Would open up the town fir St martins to get more hurlers.
Would it be similar situation only on reverse thst its football club needing help with numbers only a theiry not sayinfmgcst josephs don't hsve numbers . Eould ut be allowed if presented properly and was feasible

Formertownie (Wexford) - Posts: 151 - 20/10/2023 13:54:06    2509447

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Replying To Yellaman:  "I'm only asking because I don't know the details.
What kind of temporary arrangement?"
The 2 clubs have pretty much the same set of players registered to play for both of them, as in the Rocks players are registered to play for Kilanerin, and vice versa. This was supposed to be temporary until the Rocks built back up their playing numbers. Anyone from Gorey could technically play for the Rocks under the parish rule, so it was expected that they would build up numbers fairly quickly. They haven't though.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11218 - 20/10/2023 14:22:13    2509458

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Replying To grassroots01:  "One thing that jumps out at me when I was at one of their football matches this year was that 60+ players named between both panels and they only field 2 teams so there's at least 20 lads that aren't getting much if any games and someone said that's it mostly Rock lads? Also if it's not permanent what happens if and when the arrangement was to cease? Would the rock stay intermediate ?"
Not for long I'd be guessing. Most of their best players aside from Conor Devitt were Kilanerin men any time I saw them.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11218 - 20/10/2023 14:25:52    2509461

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Replying To grassroots01:  "One thing that jumps out at me when I was at one of their football matches this year was that 60+ players named between both panels and they only field 2 teams so there's at least 20 lads that aren't getting much if any games and someone said that's it mostly Rock lads? Also if it's not permanent what happens if and when the arrangement was to cease? Would the rock stay intermediate ?"
I had mentioned this some time ago. Their second team had over 30 players named on a programme. I would be very surprised if Kilanerin wouldn't go their own way shortly as most of the players come from their area. While it's worked well for them, it's probably been a bit of a distaster for Tara rocks in that they have lost a number of players without gaining any. They would have to drop grades if on their own but probably wouldn't accept it at this stage.

Just looking for a quick way to get to senior

alwaysasub (Wexford) - Posts: 401 - 20/10/2023 15:00:10    2509474

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Replying To Viking66:  "Not for long I'd be guessing. Most of their best players aside from Conor Devitt were Kilanerin men any time I saw them."
Devitt is Kilanerin too I think ?

grassroots01 (Wexford) - Posts: 162 - 20/10/2023 15:47:16    2509487

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Replying To Viking66:  "Not for long I'd be guessing. Most of their best players aside from Conor Devitt were Kilanerin men any time I saw them."
Thanks everyone for clarifying ( kind of !!) the Rocks / kilanerin situation. Without getting into the technicalities, I suppose it makes sense when they are already playing together at under age.

Yellaman (Wexford) - Posts: 78 - 20/10/2023 16:39:58    2509500

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Replying To Viking66:  "The 2 clubs have pretty much the same set of players registered to play for both of them, as in the Rocks players are registered to play for Kilanerin, and vice versa. This was supposed to be temporary until the Rocks built back up their playing numbers. Anyone from Gorey could technically play for the Rocks under the parish rule, so it was expected that they would build up numbers fairly quickly. They haven't though."
The Rocks claiming they "are the smallest club in the county" is some joke too. They have the pick of Gorey town, if they cant manage that or work within their means, then its on them. New Ross have shown that having a large pick means damn all if you dont make the effort to harness the resources. The easy thing, to amalgamate. Kilanerin fielding 3 adult football teams but yet feel like they had to amalgamate. Strangely, or not, the amalgamation happens when they get relegated form senior football. A bolstered team, and back up straight away and competing at senior. Cant have Castletown getting further away from them...

There are plenty more smaller clubs doing it the hard way, having to amalgamate at underage due to a severe lack of numbers. Our Ladys Island, Fethard, St Fintans, Clongeen are the 4 smallest parishes in that order in the county by population in every measurable proportions (overall, children, adult playing age) so seeing those clubs amalgamate with each other underage only brings their amalgamated clubs back to parity with other clubs who consider themselves small also. The amalgamation benefited Kilanerin and will destroy Tara Rocks. There seemed to be no reason for it to happen and I dont understand why it did. There are way more clubs in much bigger strife in lower grades suffering population decrease. Most of the district of New Ross is going to start showing signs of this in a few years where there will certainly be other clubs needing to amalgamate on a much larger scale underage like Fethard and Clongeen have had to. Its a larger discussion point on GAA in Wexford and rural clubs, but as long as our big clubs have big numbers and feed into the county teams, it seems like all will be well.

james2011 (Wexford) - Posts: 602 - 20/10/2023 16:59:37    2509503

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Replying To grassroots01:  "Devitt is Kilanerin too I think ?"
He is too. My mistake. Thanks!

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11218 - 21/10/2023 11:29:01    2509537

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Replying To Yellaman:  "Thanks everyone for clarifying ( kind of !!) the Rocks / kilanerin situation. Without getting into the technicalities, I suppose it makes sense when they are already playing together at under age."
They have been Ballynastragh Gaels at underage for so long now, that any kid coming through the ranks, or any of the younger lads playing adult now, identifies as being a Gael as opposed to being from Kilanerin or the Rock.

If its all about saving the small club, then why wasn't the likes of Clonee allowed join up with Ferns/St.Patrick's? I'd be all for similar 'life-saving' measures for OLI etc. too now that the precedence has been set.

beano (Wexford) - Posts: 1404 - 21/10/2023 11:48:01    2509540

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Replying To beano:  "They have been Ballynastragh Gaels at underage for so long now, that any kid coming through the ranks, or any of the younger lads playing adult now, identifies as being a Gael as opposed to being from Kilanerin or the Rock.

If its all about saving the small club, then why wasn't the likes of Clonee allowed join up with Ferns/St.Patrick's? I'd be all for similar 'life-saving' measures for OLI etc. too now that the precedence has been set."
Clonee not allowed to join up with Ferns / St Patrick's?? Did they seek such an amalgamation?

Yellaman (Wexford) - Posts: 78 - 21/10/2023 17:39:07    2509574

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very good game this evening with the sars v alley [for junior] sars have a lot of good young lads coming, but they alley must be sick, had the winnings of it

Stmunnsriver (Wexford) - Posts: 2795 - 21/10/2023 21:47:41    2509600

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Gorey can concentrate on the hurling now. Rosslare seem to have put up a better performance. Will be interesting to see how the Shels get on today. I also see they won the JA overturning the group defeat to Davidstown. The team that beat them in last years final were unlucky to lose out in the Junior final. However who in their right minds fixed both games for New Ross, did they not check the weather forecast. A lot underage games down for next weekend - don't really understand why if U18s are not allowed play adult why the finals are the end of October.

zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1770 - 22/10/2023 10:46:36    2509616

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "Sorry to be so blunt, but you're actually wrong on all counts. And it's all set out in the official Rule Book so that it applies nationally, rather than the County Board making up things here to suit themselves.

First, it is an adult competition. This is plain even from how it's organised and run by the adult CCC rather than the Coiste na nÓg one.

However, the fact that it's an adult competition doesn't mean that a minor who's playing in it is also allowed to play in all adult competitions. The relevant rules for U21 and U20:
Under 21: A Player shall have celebrated their 16th birthday prior to January 1st. and their 21st. birthday on or after January 1st. of the Championship Year.
Under 20: A Player shall have celebrated their 16th birthday prior to January 1st. and their 20th. birthday on or after January 1st. of the Championship Year

i.e. anybody who's overage for U16 at the start of the year (i.e. a minor player) but who hasn't yet turned 20 or 21 at the start of the year (depending on whether it's an U20 or U21 competition) is eligible to play in it.

The relevant rule for the other adult competitions is:
A Player shall have celebrated their 18th birthday prior to January 1st of the Championship Year

i.e. you have to be overage for U18 before you're eligible to play Senior/Intermediate/Junior.

As for the inter-county thing, this is also from the official Rule Book:
INTER-COUNTY
Adult:
A player shall have celebrated their 18th birthday prior to January 1st of the Championship Year

There's a separate rule for U20 inter-county, allowing you to play that if you're already at least 17 at the start of the year. But basically, you still have to be at least 18 at the start of the year before you can play in anything like the O'Byrne Cup, Walsh Cup, National Leagues, or any of the championships. In other words, in the year of your 18th birthday, the only inter-county competition you're eligible to play in is U20.

Point still stands about 'Ballinastragh Gaels' not being a registered name of an adult club or an adult amalgamation, if anybody wanted to get technical or petty about it."
I see a tweet fro. Anthony masterson that an 18 year can't play with the adult club teams in wexford championship ,but can play in leinster club championship 6 days later . My point being interpretation of rules inconsistency . If an 18yo played in club in wexford abd club punished if yiu appealed and went to leinster or croke park which rule is the one they abide by .

Formertownie (Wexford) - Posts: 151 - 22/10/2023 11:52:24    2509619

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Replying To zinny:  "Gorey can concentrate on the hurling now. Rosslare seem to have put up a better performance. Will be interesting to see how the Shels get on today. I also see they won the JA overturning the group defeat to Davidstown. The team that beat them in last years final were unlucky to lose out in the Junior final. However who in their right minds fixed both games for New Ross, did they not check the weather forecast. A lot underage games down for next weekend - don't really understand why if U18s are not allowed play adult why the finals are the end of October."
Most clubs still have crossover, some u16s playing u18, some u14s playing u16 and so on. Not sure if your aware but the 2 games down for Ross were moved to Blackwater and Patricks Park, 2 of those Hollymount and Bunclody all held 2 games on Saturday between underage and camogie too.

TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1503 - 22/10/2023 20:57:34    2509673

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Did anyone travel to watch shels ? Were they unfortunate not to get win or better team won ?

BacksAndForwards (Wexford) - Posts: 34 - 22/10/2023 22:34:25    2509685

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