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Replying To rossytilidie:  "If they're not training for football, what are they training for? Hurling 2024......"
Probably trained 5 times this year, hardly call that training???

Lockerroomboy (Wexford) - Posts: 425 - 09/10/2023 20:52:14    2507651

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Replying To countyman2022:  "What was the second goalkeeper error? Cushinstown well the better team, one point defeat flattered Martins. The Martins tactics off the ball were disgusting."
Did the goalkeeper take to many steps and concede a 14 yard free???

Lockerroomboy (Wexford) - Posts: 425 - 09/10/2023 20:53:22    2507652

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Replying To Lockerroomboy:  "St martins lack of football training really stood against them, two goalkeeper errors really cost them also, cudnt get enough quality ball into oisin who scored 2 great points in second half, daithi waters came on in midfield, probably better in full forward, jack o Connor never got a run, anyway Gorey will final easy,, I cudnt get to senior semi, but heard they were good football in them"
I'd say they done as much training as any senior or intermediate team. Obviously not good enough to go back up

WexMurph (Wexford) - Posts: 145 - 09/10/2023 21:39:03    2507654

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Replying To rossytilidie:  "If they're not training for football, what are they training for? Hurling 2024......"
Not training for football, I can't answer your second question?

Lockerroomboy (Wexford) - Posts: 425 - 10/10/2023 08:55:27    2507667

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Replying To JT22:  "Cushintown got two straight red cards, I wasn't at the game but were these deserved?"
They were! The first one was after a scuffle between Eoin Porter and his man. Tbf, I'd say Porter had enough of his man dragging out of him, so they had a bit of a tangle on the ground, which inevitably led to another 5-6 players getting involved. The man that got sent off ran from full forward out to around the halfway line and upended a Martins man with a shoulder. I thought he could have given him yellow, but letter of the law is red I guess.
The other red card was in injury time, where a Cushinstown player stamped on a Martins man after another tussle on the ground. He only got the red card after the final whistle was blown.

The more I think about it, how did 14 man Cushinstown beat the power house that is St Martins. Maybe they don't care much for football, but that's def the shock of Wex Champ 2023.

rossytilidie (Wexford) - Posts: 300 - 10/10/2023 10:17:59    2507677

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Replying To rossytilidie:  "They were! The first one was after a scuffle between Eoin Porter and his man. Tbf, I'd say Porter had enough of his man dragging out of him, so they had a bit of a tangle on the ground, which inevitably led to another 5-6 players getting involved. The man that got sent off ran from full forward out to around the halfway line and upended a Martins man with a shoulder. I thought he could have given him yellow, but letter of the law is red I guess.
The other red card was in injury time, where a Cushinstown player stamped on a Martins man after another tussle on the ground. He only got the red card after the final whistle was blown.

The more I think about it, how did 14 man Cushinstown beat the power house that is St Martins. Maybe they don't care much for football, but that's def the shock of Wex Champ 2023."
we are all of the opinion that the martins dont care about football but i was near their subs bench and their reaction after the final whistle thold a much different story, they were very distraught

Stmunnsriver (Wexford) - Posts: 2795 - 10/10/2023 10:34:50    2507679

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Replying To WexMurph:  "I'd say they done as much training as any senior or intermediate team. Obviously not good enough to go back up"
You honestly think st martins trained as much as kilnaerin, shels etc, well that's the biggest joke I ever heard

Lockerroomboy (Wexford) - Posts: 425 - 10/10/2023 10:45:55    2507684

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Replying To Stmunnsriver:  "we are all of the opinion that the martins dont care about football but i was near their subs bench and their reaction after the final whistle thold a much different story, they were very distraught"
They were distraught because of the way they were beaten, far better team but two glaring goalkeeper errors cost them

Lockerroomboy (Wexford) - Posts: 425 - 10/10/2023 11:41:04    2507698

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Replying To Lockerroomboy:  "They were distraught because of the way they were beaten, far better team but two glaring goalkeeper errors cost them"
The better team won. They outfought them and took their chances better. With 14 men. Martins simply not good enough. With regards the red cards, could probably say both deserved. They were both retaliation to Martins off the balls tactics. In fairness for the second one, the player involved was trying to wriggle free from a Martins man who had pulled him to the ground and was then grabbing his leg when trying to get away. Ball was 50 yards down the pitch. Depends on your take but the 4th official was the one hell bent on making sure he got put off. 4th official also gave the ref the nod for the first one, looked like a push into the back after running 45 yards up the pitch.

countyman2022 (Wexford) - Posts: 628 - 10/10/2023 12:35:12    2507708

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Replying To Lockerroomboy:  "They were distraught because of the way they were beaten, far better team but two glaring goalkeeper errors cost them"
:) They never led once in the game! Martins didnt score from play in the first half. 2 frees & 1 mark after 30mins. Cant understand the gameplan though, you are a 1/6 favourite to win and you decide to focus on pulling down players and focus on porter and bolger off the ball rather than just go out and play your own game. Would be understandable if it was cushinstown employing that tactic trying to put the big favourites off but for martins to do it doesnt make any sense

Hypo74 (Wexford) - Posts: 2 - 10/10/2023 12:48:49    2507710

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Replying To zinny:  "Two straight reds in the senior relegation game as well - for the lads who know the rules - will they carry over to the Intermediate next year? How about the CB player that got the two yellows - I think this all goes back to the same competition argument and if the relegation playoffs are a new competition. Its bad form if the CB has not changed the status since the Coleman incident a couple of years back. You cannot have a one off game without any consequences around red cards."
This is a technical area, but will try explain it as simply and as best as I can.

First thing is to point out that the County Board can't themselves change how such things work. It's all set down in the official Rule Book, so any change would need a vote at Congress and a 60% majority there. All the County Board could do would be to bring a motion and hope to get enough support for it.

Anyway, yes, those suspensions will carry over to next year. And here's where I try to explain why. For the sake of example, let's say somebody commits a straight red card offence that brings a one-match ban. And remember that relegation play-offs are considered as separate tournaments from the actual championship. So essentially, we've got two different competitions - "Wexford Club Championships" and "Wexford Relegation Play-offs".

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- Pick up a red card like that, and generally, your suspension will be for the next match in that competition, in the same code and at the same level (with 'level' meaning county/club/colleges etc., rather than Senior/Intermediate/Junior). Suspensions can carry from one year to the next.

- Joe Coleman, for example, was sent off in a "Wexford Club Championships" match. This meant the suspension would be for the next "Wexford Club Championships" match, the following year (wouldn't matter if it was Senior or Intermediate). It wouldn't apply for a "Wexford Relegation Play-offs" match.

- By the same principle, if you get that red card in a "Wexford Relegation Play-offs" match, your suspension should be for the next match in that competition (e.g. if you're sent off in a relegation semi-final and your team loses, you can't play in the relegation final).

- However, there's another provision for where you can't serve a suspension in the same competition, and that applies here (as there are no further matches in "Wexford Relegation Play-offs 2023" and it can't be assumed that the same club will also be involved in "Wexford Relegation Play-offs 2024").

- In such cases, the suspension is instead supposed to apply in an equivalent competition, in the same code, and at the same level. And again, the suspension can carry forward from one year to the next.

- Am a little unclear on the next bit myself, as this does leave the door slightly open for the suspension to apply in next year's League rather than next year's Championship. But bearing in mind that a relegation play-off is officially seen as a form of "Championship qualifying match", I'd expect it'll be deemed that the League is not an equivalent competition, and the suspension should apply in next year's championship instead.

Said it was technical, and even what I hoped would be a relatively simple explanation turned out to be a long one. But hope the way I've explained it makes sense anyway....even if you think the rules themselves don't make sense!

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Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2150 - 10/10/2023 12:57:27    2507714

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Replying To countyman2022:  "The better team won. They outfought them and took their chances better. With 14 men. Martins simply not good enough. With regards the red cards, could probably say both deserved. They were both retaliation to Martins off the balls tactics. In fairness for the second one, the player involved was trying to wriggle free from a Martins man who had pulled him to the ground and was then grabbing his leg when trying to get away. Ball was 50 yards down the pitch. Depends on your take but the 4th official was the one hell bent on making sure he got put off. 4th official also gave the ref the nod for the first one, looked like a push into the back after running 45 yards up the pitch."
Any one who knows anything about football will agree st martins were the better team, you going on about st martins off the ball antics, well what team got two red cards????

Lockerroomboy (Wexford) - Posts: 425 - 10/10/2023 13:12:15    2507717

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Replying To countyman2022:  "The better team won. They outfought them and took their chances better. With 14 men. Martins simply not good enough. With regards the red cards, could probably say both deserved. They were both retaliation to Martins off the balls tactics. In fairness for the second one, the player involved was trying to wriggle free from a Martins man who had pulled him to the ground and was then grabbing his leg when trying to get away. Ball was 50 yards down the pitch. Depends on your take but the 4th official was the one hell bent on making sure he got put off. 4th official also gave the ref the nod for the first one, looked like a push into the back after running 45 yards up the pitch."
Lads Whats the problem with the fourth official doing his job.? I was at the game and saw both incidents and would see no issue with either sending off. There were probably a few more could have gone besides.
County board have decided that all games in wexford park will be monitored and policed to the hilt. and any team playing in there needs to be aware that they are being watched from every angle.
If a fourth official is appointed and spots something well id prefer he said it than ignored it.

indaknownow (Offaly) - Posts: 112 - 10/10/2023 13:18:23    2507718

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Replying To Lockerroomboy:  "You honestly think st martins trained as much as kilnaerin, shels etc, well that's the biggest joke I ever heard"
Bar 4 seniors teams or that , yeh sure St Anne's, GB, Crossabeg, Gorey, Cushinstown etc would have all been training hurling right up to the football started

WexMurph (Wexford) - Posts: 145 - 10/10/2023 15:24:06    2507736

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Replying To Lockerroomboy:  "Any one who knows anything about football will agree st martins were the better team, you going on about st martins off the ball antics, well what team got two red cards????"
Is that why they didn't score from play in a half of football? Being the better team? Pulling down players off ball, throwing them to the ground. Constant sledging. Those antics. Cushinstown stood up to them and wouldn't allow themselves to be bullied, paid the price with the reds but got the win and are in a Co. Final. Two members of the Martins panel waited for one of the players sent off after the match in the car park to confront them and kick off again. There's no place for that.

countyman2022 (Wexford) - Posts: 628 - 10/10/2023 15:40:49    2507738

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Replying To indaknownow:  "Lads Whats the problem with the fourth official doing his job.? I was at the game and saw both incidents and would see no issue with either sending off. There were probably a few more could have gone besides.
County board have decided that all games in wexford park will be monitored and policed to the hilt. and any team playing in there needs to be aware that they are being watched from every angle.
If a fourth official is appointed and spots something well id prefer he said it than ignored it."
Wasn't in the Park on Saturday and so I haven't seen either of these incidents, and I don't even know who the fourth official was, but am guessing it was a certain somebody who has a reputation for being a little....let's say "overly officious".

However, his reputation means that even if he does something that's both correct and appropriate in the circumstances, he tends to get criticised for it anyway. It's a bit of a "boy who cried wolf" situation. Am guessing that might be what's happening here.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2150 - 10/10/2023 15:57:26    2507745

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Replying To countyman2022:  "Is that why they didn't score from play in a half of football? Being the better team? Pulling down players off ball, throwing them to the ground. Constant sledging. Those antics. Cushinstown stood up to them and wouldn't allow themselves to be bullied, paid the price with the reds but got the win and are in a Co. Final. Two members of the Martins panel waited for one of the players sent off after the match in the car park to confront them and kick off again. There's no place for that."
Read the report in local paper everyone agrees the game was gifted to cushintown, st martins lads hit hard and fair but cushintown got dirty and two red cards, cushintown scored 6 points wow wee, 1 goal and 1 point gifted anyway I'm not worried as I'm a neutral

Lockerroomboy (Wexford) - Posts: 425 - 10/10/2023 16:06:35    2507748

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Replying To Lennonscross:  "I reckon Kilanerin threw it away, had chances to kill the game with goals, I thought ref was poor didn't allow the game to flow, numerous times pulled back for frees after giving advantage after getting a score. Shels lucky to get a vital goal off an advantage. Kilanerin probably a year too early.
Castletown just went out and done what they had to, despite being a close game they never seemed like they could lose the game. Interesting to see a war of words between Robbie Brooks and Adrien Flynn at the end of the game."
Somewhat bemused at this post and a few others aswell in relation to referees and 4th officials this weekend. I must have been at a different game than a few of the folks here. I don't recall ANY occasion where the referee pulled back for a free after giving an advantage after getting a score. That would be ridiculous and it didn't happen. I did see two occasions where he played an advantage and the 5 seconds elapsed and there was no real progress made and he gave the free. I thought he played 2 good advantages for the second Shels goal. Another poster spoke about hearing a whistle and players stopping in the lead up to that goal. I never heard a whistle and i've watched the clip back a few times and can see no one stopping. And just because spratt thought it happened on Southeast radio doesn't mean that he's right!
Regarding the 4th official on saturday - I wasn't at the game but i'm told the red cards were pretty clear cut for both incidents so he done his job if it was him that spotted them.
in My opinion and from a lot of who i was talking to the two games on sunday were two of the best games this year. they were free flowing and i Thought both referees done well. I would have my doubts that the game next sunday will be let flow in the same way at all.

bystanderbill (Wexford) - Posts: 22 - 10/10/2023 16:18:03    2507751

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Replying To Lockerroomboy:  "Read the report in local paper everyone agrees the game was gifted to cushintown, st martins lads hit hard and fair but cushintown got dirty and two red cards, cushintown scored 6 points wow wee, 1 goal and 1 point gifted anyway I'm not worried as I'm a neutral"
Jaysus ya don't really come across as a neutral. I wasn't there either due to work commitments. And it's people from other clubs that are saying martins were in the wrong not cushinstown people.

We all know as gaa people ya don't win semis by class ya win by grit and hard work. I can't comment on the game I'm just very happy them lads and Bolger who buys in some effort to them lads have got that far. I genuinely wouldn't have expected them to beat martins . Sure all I say is roll on gorey

Wexfordgaa (Wexford) - Posts: 246 - 10/10/2023 17:06:41    2507768

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Replying To Lockerroomboy:  "Read the report in local paper everyone agrees the game was gifted to cushintown, st martins lads hit hard and fair but cushintown got dirty and two red cards, cushintown scored 6 points wow wee, 1 goal and 1 point gifted anyway I'm not worried as I'm a neutral"
Your Martins were the better team stuff is a bit bizarre, If you can't win when your a man up for 45 mins then your can't really complain.

TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1503 - 10/10/2023 17:17:30    2507772

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