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Is Diving Now A Legitimate Skill?

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Was it just me or did the talk amongst the Sunday Game pundits of players 'buying frees', in particular at the end of the Monaghan and Armagh game, not unnerve football fans? Doesn't that mean an acknowledgement of the skill in tricking a ref into blowing the whistle, ie diving? This is not a dig at Monaghan in particular. fair play to them, they're warriors, but at all players who 'buy frees'. There was almost no contact in either the free given against Armagh, which Monaghan used to get to penalties, or for that matter in the tackle that led to the Monaghan black card. Diving, according to our pundits, is a now a skill! Fontofwisdom (Cavan) - Posts: 128 - 03/07/2023 18:12:06 2491948 Link
We should call it what it is - cheating. Its rampant in hurling and football now from the games I see. You can't tightly mark anyone any more because they'll just clip their own feet and you will look like you tripped them. StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1738 - 04/07/2023 09:27:17 2492039 Link
You should watch the Clare hurlers. Their are leading the way in it for the past two seasons! countyman2022 (Wexford) - Posts: 644 - 04/07/2023 09:38:31 2492043 Link
Replying To Fontofwisdom: "Was it just me or did the talk amongst the Sunday Game pundits of players 'buying frees', in particular at the end of the Monaghan and Armagh game, not unnerve football fans? Doesn't that mean an acknowledgement of the skill in tricking a ref into blowing the whistle, ie diving? This is not a dig at Monaghan in particular. fair play to them, they're warriors, but at all players who 'buy frees'. There was almost no contact in either the free given against Armagh, which Monaghan used to get to penalties, or for that matter in the tackle that led to the Monaghan black card. Diving, according to our pundits, is a now a skill!" Spoken like a true Cavan man... can you not just be happy for your neighbours lol... Yes, it seems like its part of the game now. Its very difficult to irraidcte though unless we take the Rugby approach and use a video ref. You also have instances where legitimate frees are not given too and I feel referees try to compenstate then later. There was a free given to Armagh in the first half where the Armagh forward (I think it was Grugan) literally stopped running and leaned his shoulder up against the chest of the Monaghan defender, completely fooled the referee. Campbell's dive after a tap on the hip from Jones was very blatant and how Jones got a black card was shocking. If we had a video ref in use for a season and when it was determied a player dived and then got a black card, that would stop it. McManus free was manufacturd for sure, but it was a free. Grugan ran on top of his legs, which were flying around :) , he should have known better at that stage of the game. SouthMonMan (Monaghan) - Posts: 104 - 04/07/2023 10:02:13 2492052 Link
The big problem is inconsistency. Sometimes a referee will give the free, at other times nothing will be given, even within the same match. It's a tough one for referees, and most if not all counties are guilty to some extent. midlands (Westmeath) - Posts: 547 - 04/07/2023 10:04:56 2492053 Link
Replying To midlands: "The big problem is inconsistency. Sometimes a referee will give the free, at other times nothing will be given, even within the same match. It's a tough one for referees, and most if not all counties are guilty to some extent." Seeing as the man with the ball can take as many steps as he likes, can assault would be tacklers, can throw it to his team mates we mightvas well bring in a reward for diving. Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1459 - 04/07/2023 10:29:57 2492062 Link
Replying To SouthMonMan: "Spoken like a true Cavan man... can you not just be happy for your neighbours lol... Yes, it seems like its part of the game now. Its very difficult to irraidcte though unless we take the Rugby approach and use a video ref. You also have instances where legitimate frees are not given too and I feel referees try to compenstate then later. There was a free given to Armagh in the first half where the Armagh forward (I think it was Grugan) literally stopped running and leaned his shoulder up against the chest of the Monaghan defender, completely fooled the referee. Campbell's dive after a tap on the hip from Jones was very blatant and how Jones got a black card was shocking. If we had a video ref in use for a season and when it was determied a player dived and then got a black card, that would stop it. McManus free was manufacturd for sure, but it was a free. Grugan ran on top of his legs, which were flying around :) , he should have known better at that stage of the game." You say that "Mcmanus free was manufactured for sure, but it was a free?" If he manufactured it then he dived. I agree that the black card incident was the same. As for being happy for Monaghan, while I acknowledge your current superiority over ourselves. Surely you don't want your greatest rivals cheering you on. Isn't our role here to look begrudgingly over the hedge at your newfound wealth? Enjoy your superiority over us, I'd certainly do so, if roles were reversed. Fontofwisdom (Cavan) - Posts: 128 - 04/07/2023 10:30:20 2492063 Link
When the GAA introduced the black card offence, cynical behaviour meaning the "pulling down of an opponent" they effectively encouraged the art of diving in football. Naturally its going to be encouraged especially when a player is dragged back but stays on their feet therefore not being pulled down means no black card. tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1354 - 04/07/2023 11:05:04 2492074 Link
Derry are the biggest offenders at the min, everytime there is a man tackling them , they lean into the tackler and then collapse into them , watch it Slight difference in diving and manufacturing a free, Manufacturing means ensuring there is enough contact , eg slowing down quickly when player is chasing so he runs into the back of attacker Monaghan78 (Monaghan) - Posts: 22 - 04/07/2023 11:44:45 2492095 Link
Replying To Monaghan78: "Derry are the biggest offenders at the min, everytime there is a man tackling them , they lean into the tackler and then collapse into them , watch it Slight difference in diving and manufacturing a free, Manufacturing means ensuring there is enough contact , eg slowing down quickly when player is chasing so he runs into the back of attacker" The physical element of Gaelic football has been completely diluted. Referees award frees for the slightest infraction. If it's easy to win a free then players will do so. That's why leaning in to opponents and diving has become so common place. Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 04/07/2023 12:16:31 2492107 Link
Replying To Monaghan78: "Derry are the biggest offenders at the min, everytime there is a man tackling them , they lean into the tackler and then collapse into them , watch it Slight difference in diving and manufacturing a free, Manufacturing means ensuring there is enough contact , eg slowing down quickly when player is chasing so he runs into the back of attacker" What a load of nonsense. It's not specific to one county or individuals Your own Conor McManus has mastered the art. He fell over when he was barely touched for the equaliser against Armagh. RoverTin (Derry) - Posts: 226 - 04/07/2023 12:18:47 2492108 Link
Replying To Monaghan78: "Derry are the biggest offenders at the min, everytime there is a man tackling them , they lean into the tackler and then collapse into them , watch it Slight difference in diving and manufacturing a free, Manufacturing means ensuring there is enough contact , eg slowing down quickly when player is chasing so he runs into the back of attacker" Your own team are as bad or worse. Over the past few years, you've been saved in multiple close games, including both Championship and league games to save your div 1 status, by getting your main man on the ball in a position where he can buy a free. Fontofwisdom (Cavan) - Posts: 128 - 04/07/2023 12:39:34 2492114 Link
I see players solo forward at high speed fall over when they are sorrounded free in highdropingball (Donegal) - Posts: 100 - 04/07/2023 12:39:38 2492115 Link
Always was cuchulainn35 (Armagh) - Posts: 1676 - 04/07/2023 12:44:08 2492120 Link
Probably not too surprising that elite players would be capable of conning referees into awarding them frees. The KK u20 hurlers had it as a strategy I felt last season, because they had Drennan drilling all the frees, and not a whole lot of offensive threat from open play. Won an all-ireland 'at it'. In the 4 matches last Sunday, I saw more examples of it, than I'd care to document. There's often a very obvious lack of 'action and reaction' between the defensive hands/arms making some contact, and the legs slide or 'falling/diving' of the 'offended' player. Most referees give the benefit of any doubt to 'the diver', which is not surprising, as it's easy to be fooled by the artistic impression in these diving routines. Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3491 - 04/07/2023 12:52:52 2492125 Link
It's probably as much a skill as the stuff that defenders do off the ball.. You get away with it sometimes, other times you don't. Every team does it. There are no exceptions. It's only an issue when decisions go against your team or in favour for a team you don't like.. Ban (Westmeath) - Posts: 1419 - 04/07/2023 13:10:59 2492129 Link
Replying To Ban: "It's probably as much a skill as the stuff that defenders do off the ball.. You get away with it sometimes, other times you don't. Every team does it. There are no exceptions. It's only an issue when decisions go against your team or in favour for a team you don't like.." completely agree.. ! I think its the reason the Cavan man started this thread and gave Monaghan as the example.. hilarious stuff :) SouthMonMan (Monaghan) - Posts: 104 - 04/07/2023 13:41:15 2492135 Link
Replying To Monaghan78: "Derry are the biggest offenders at the min, everytime there is a man tackling them , they lean into the tackler and then collapse into them , watch it Slight difference in diving and manufacturing a free, Manufacturing means ensuring there is enough contact , eg slowing down quickly when player is chasing so he runs into the back of attacker" Jelly legs Mc Manus is top of the pops for diving, last Saturday took the biscuit. If a defender as much as looks at him his legs give way and it's always in the scoring zone. Your Tyrone lad not bad either. Neartheborder (Derry) - Posts: 56 - 04/07/2023 14:04:32 2492148 Link
Replying To SouthMonMan: "completely agree.. ! I think its the reason the Cavan man started this thread and gave Monaghan as the example.. hilarious stuff :)" It's the truth and it's clearly something they both planned for and practiced for in training. Fontofwisdom (Cavan) - Posts: 128 - 04/07/2023 14:41:35 2492162 Link
I was watching some cricket at a party at the weekend. You have 10 seconds to challenge a call by a referee. I think if players are diving the opponent should have an option to challenge and if its overturned its a sin-bin for the diving cheat who tried to con the referee in the first case. ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1141 - 04/07/2023 14:55:28 2492172 Link