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Should The Paying Customers And Team Managers See Referees Assessments/Reports

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Tomsmith here

After what can only be described as a season ( so far) that has caused more controversy than the entire two previous seasons of Gaa football as regards the man in the middle.
I say that Gaa Hq should attempt to educate the paying public and spectators on how a Referee did in a game.
I feel that a lot of spectators live in the past and havent moved on with the new rules.
Look when the ball is put over the end line by a defender , you will hear a shout its a fifty.
Well that has been changed to a 45 aye 20 years ago.
Another one is the so called third man tackle, sure its not unusual now to see six opposing players around a player in possession.
I say show us the Referees assessments after the game is over

tomsmith (Cavan) - Posts: 3827 - 23/06/2023 08:24:14    2488544

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Replying To tomsmith:  "Tomsmith here

After what can only be described as a season ( so far) that has caused more controversy than the entire two previous seasons of Gaa football as regards the man in the middle.
I say that Gaa Hq should attempt to educate the paying public and spectators on how a Referee did in a game.
I feel that a lot of spectators live in the past and havent moved on with the new rules.
Look when the ball is put over the end line by a defender , you will hear a shout its a fifty.
Well that has been changed to a 45 aye 20 years ago.
Another one is the so called third man tackle, sure its not unusual now to see six opposing players around a player in possession.
I say show us the Referees assessments after the game is over"
Too right, if left to you it would be send players off who dare call for a 50, send keepers off if they leave their line, and blow the match up if a player dare help out as a extra defender. No coloured boots, socks up, no tattoos, no hair cuts the day before games, no swapping jerseys and all games to be played in New York.

Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 1978 - 23/06/2023 14:00:39    2488653

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I am not sure that would be good idea. The referee gets ripped to shreds for what he does on the field and now you want to further set him for more for what he writes. You would want to be a ref like wanting a hole in the head if this came about. After all he is human and the report is his analysis of what occurred. Will he be always correct ? No. Would his report change the mind of anyone who thinks he was wrong.Very, very few I would venture.
I am in favour of the ref being miked on the field and announcing the infringement. He may be wrong still on occasions but the crowd and the t.v. audience might have more understanding of how he saw it. My opinion anyway.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2632 - 23/06/2023 14:04:48    2488654

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Too right tomsmith.
In fact. I think umpires are an unnecessary evil. Let the 2 players challenging for that 45 agree whether it is one or not.
I'm glad to see you only mention Gaelic Football in this, hurling has no problem with refereeing or the decisions referees make.

ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1073 - 23/06/2023 14:18:37    2488660

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Replying To tomsmith:  "Tomsmith here

After what can only be described as a season ( so far) that has caused more controversy than the entire two previous seasons of Gaa football as regards the man in the middle.
I say that Gaa Hq should attempt to educate the paying public and spectators on how a Referee did in a game.
I feel that a lot of spectators live in the past and havent moved on with the new rules.
Look when the ball is put over the end line by a defender , you will hear a shout its a fifty.
Well that has been changed to a 45 aye 20 years ago.
Another one is the so called third man tackle, sure its not unusual now to see six opposing players around a player in possession.
I say show us the Referees assessments after the game is over"
The education about the rules of the game should happen but not to point of seeing a referees assessment.
Thats their personal information and should be the eyes of referee selection committees, ref coaches, referee only.

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3436 - 23/06/2023 14:48:55    2488671

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Replying To KillingFields:  "The education about the rules of the game should happen but not to point of seeing a referees assessment.
Thats their personal information and should be the eyes of referee selection committees, ref coaches, referee only."
Wrong, Last year when Tyrone got 4 sent off v Armagh his report mysteriously went missing when Tyrone questioned why they were sent off.

Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 1978 - 23/06/2023 15:14:46    2488682

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Replying To Canuck:  "I am not sure that would be good idea. The referee gets ripped to shreds for what he does on the field and now you want to further set him for more for what he writes. You would want to be a ref like wanting a hole in the head if this came about. After all he is human and the report is his analysis of what occurred. Will he be always correct ? No. Would his report change the mind of anyone who thinks he was wrong.Very, very few I would venture.
I am in favour of the ref being miked on the field and announcing the infringement. He may be wrong still on occasions but the crowd and the t.v. audience might have more understanding of how he saw it. My opinion anyway."
I agree, Canuck. We all know it's a thankless job.

midlands (Westmeath) - Posts: 528 - 23/06/2023 15:19:36    2488684

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Replying To Saynothing:  "Wrong, Last year when Tyrone got 4 sent off v Armagh his report mysteriously went missing when Tyrone questioned why they were sent off."
Maybe it was sent to Tomsmith!

Breffni1969 (Cavan) - Posts: 510 - 23/06/2023 16:09:06    2488698

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Replying To tomsmith:  "Tomsmith here

After what can only be described as a season ( so far) that has caused more controversy than the entire two previous seasons of Gaa football as regards the man in the middle.
I say that Gaa Hq should attempt to educate the paying public and spectators on how a Referee did in a game.
I feel that a lot of spectators live in the past and havent moved on with the new rules.
Look when the ball is put over the end line by a defender , you will hear a shout its a fifty.
Well that has been changed to a 45 aye 20 years ago.
Another one is the so called third man tackle, sure its not unusual now to see six opposing players around a player in possession.
I say show us the Referees assessments after the game is over"
Are you mad in the head? Few want to ref as it is but now you're suggesting the few who do be subjected to even further public scrutiny.

Sindar (Roscommon) - Posts: 348 - 23/06/2023 18:52:35    2488719

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Replying To Saynothing:  "Wrong, Last year when Tyrone got 4 sent off v Armagh his report mysteriously went missing when Tyrone questioned why they were sent off."
What i said isnt wrong.

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3436 - 24/06/2023 12:04:27    2488776

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At the end of inter county refereeing is simply too big a job for just 1 referee.

And again referees also need to be stood down when they don't perform.

tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1290 - 25/06/2023 09:23:52    2489008

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Replying To tearintom:  "At the end of inter county refereeing is simply too big a job for just 1 referee.

And again referees also need to be stood down when they don't perform."
It isnt too big a job for just 1 referee.. give the linesmen and 4 umpires more power as well as training before adding yet another official on top of them
What do you define as a ref not performing? refs are assessed all the time at inter county level.

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3436 - 25/06/2023 14:04:06    2489097

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45 minutes played mayo should have got 5 clear black cards but nothing given???

Thejampot (Leitrim) - Posts: 247 - 25/06/2023 16:12:27    2489142

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Replying To Saynothing:  "Too right, if left to you it would be send players off who dare call for a 50, send keepers off if they leave their line, and blow the match up if a player dare help out as a extra defender. No coloured boots, socks up, no tattoos, no hair cuts the day before games, no swapping jerseys and all games to be played in New York."
There are no shortage of tattoo parlours in Tyrone.

PattyONeill (Derry) - Posts: 202 - 25/06/2023 16:59:13    2489163

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Replying To PattyONeill:  "There are no shortage of tattoo parlours in Tyrone."
Patsy o Neill from L, derry Tattoo observer and
tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1126And again referees also need to be stood down when they don't perform.
Both of you could be described at Intermediate posters who show reasonable potential to progress to senior poster status.
But Patsy why o why comment on Body decorations on players if you dont offer advice on banning them.
Tear in Torn from Co WExford you make alot of sense. I fully agree with you poor quality Referees should be stood down.
But how do you know apoor quality Referee when we dont see the experts assessment ,
Sure we could be blaming the poor Referee when he is right .
But in the Clare V Limerick game when was it Tony Kelly got Pole Axed in the last play of that match and he dident see anything wrong , I just dont know

tomsmith (Cavan) - Posts: 3827 - 25/06/2023 19:35:06    2489251

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Replying To tomsmith:  "Tomsmith here

After what can only be described as a season ( so far) that has caused more controversy than the entire two previous seasons of Gaa football as regards the man in the middle.
I say that Gaa Hq should attempt to educate the paying public and spectators on how a Referee did in a game.
I feel that a lot of spectators live in the past and havent moved on with the new rules.
Look when the ball is put over the end line by a defender , you will hear a shout its a fifty.
Well that has been changed to a 45 aye 20 years ago.
Another one is the so called third man tackle, sure its not unusual now to see six opposing players around a player in possession.
I say show us the Referees assessments after the game is over"
Why? So we can all vilify the few ref's left in the game? Would serve zero purpose.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4885 - 25/06/2023 20:04:25    2489273

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Replying To tomsmith:  "Patsy o Neill from L, derry Tattoo observer and
tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1126And again referees also need to be stood down when they don't perform.
Both of you could be described at Intermediate posters who show reasonable potential to progress to senior poster status.
But Patsy why o why comment on Body decorations on players if you dont offer advice on banning them.
Tear in Torn from Co WExford you make alot of sense. I fully agree with you poor quality Referees should be stood down.
But how do you know apoor quality Referee when we dont see the experts assessment ,
Sure we could be blaming the poor Referee when he is right .
But in the Clare V Limerick game when was it Tony Kelly got Pole Axed in the last play of that match and he dident see anything wrong , I just dont know"
How do you know refs aren't stood down after a poor game? It's not likely to be announced is it? They are not likely to be told themselves. Players don't get 'stood down' after a bad performance. They just don't get picked.

Take a note on who will not be reffing over the next few weeks . I'll hazard a guess that we won't see J. Henry or B. Cawley for the rest of the Championship.

Sindar (Roscommon) - Posts: 348 - 25/06/2023 23:33:16    2489341

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