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Replying To Viking66:  "He's been pushing a few of those things the last while. I disagree about the reducing senior to 8 teams, the Leagues having a bearing on the Championship which might encourage more lads not to commit to intercounty, and the alternate weeks. Going forwards with 2 groups of 6 is OK although I'd still prefer 4 groups of 4 personally, and we might even have 3 extra weeks depending on the draw."
16 teams in senior hurling is far too many and would lead to a lot of very one sided games.

More of an argument for it for football.

Onfor15 (Wexford) - Posts: 524 - 05/12/2023 16:09:35    2515629

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Seen the team of club championship released, I posted a team myself after the championship and 10 I named picked in the official team, changes I included Mike Kelly,Niall Murphy, Aodhan Doyle, Jack Reck and Rory O'Connor and didn't include Paidi Casey, Eoin Molloy, Chin, Podge Doran and Padraig Doyle. Think particularly Kelly and O'Connor are unlucky while Niall Murphy was defiant for Ferns when they lost to Oilgate in the quarter final.

TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1495 - 05/12/2023 17:42:41    2515641

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Replying To MyOhMi:  "The quality isn't there for 16 Senior teams - I also don't believe 8 will fix / improve anything ... When we had 16 there were way too many whipping boys in the championship. Our championship was poor this year standard wise, some of the games were atrocious but everyone of them were competitive and it is difficult to pick a winner. 12 in my opinion is the optimum level.

Intermediate championship is competitive but how many of those teams would actually compete in a Senior championship that would have 16 teams - and by compete I mean reach a Q/F or S/F"
12 is OK as I said. But this year in Intermediate there was nothing between the 4 semifinalists. Cloughbawn were lucky to beat Fethard who most people around me thought were the better team on the day, and Jimmys were unlucky not to beat them in normal time in the final, while Jimmys probably used their luck up in the semifinal when beating Taghmon after extra time. When you bear in mind that Cloughbawn were unlucky to be in a Senior relegation final at all last year having got 4 points in their group, you would have to wonder just how big is the gap between some of the weaker Senior teams and the better Intermediate ones.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11152 - 05/12/2023 20:31:20    2515658

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Replying To Onfor15:  "16 teams in senior hurling is far too many and would lead to a lot of very one sided games.

More of an argument for it for football."
The main reason I'd be for 16 teams would be it would mean 80 or 100 players would get the chance to play directly on better opponents, which should improve their standard of hurling.
As regards football there seemed a fair gap between the top 3 or 4 teams and the rest tbh. Castletown and Shels were nearly everybody's favourites to win it before the Football championship started, with a few thinking Kilanerin might win it. In Intermediate Gorey seemed a good bit better than everyone else, though Adamstown and the Martins also had their moments.
The hurling was far more competitive.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11152 - 05/12/2023 20:35:46    2515659

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Replying To Viking66:  "12 is OK as I said. But this year in Intermediate there was nothing between the 4 semifinalists. Cloughbawn were lucky to beat Fethard who most people around me thought were the better team on the day, and Jimmys were unlucky not to beat them in normal time in the final, while Jimmys probably used their luck up in the semifinal when beating Taghmon after extra time. When you bear in mind that Cloughbawn were unlucky to be in a Senior relegation final at all last year having got 4 points in their group, you would have to wonder just how big is the gap between some of the weaker Senior teams and the better Intermediate ones."
I'd leave it at 12 myself. Think it would leave the intermediate championship very poor otherwise. Keeps everything more competitive and meaningful at both levels. Could create a bigger gap between teams coming up and those already in senior. Could end up with a few more clubs up senior adding nothing and probably not developing too much by just trying to do enough to stay up and stagnating a bit. Nearly getting a false sense of where they're at. Instead having the 12 team championship where there's more competition and teams are better equipped going up. 8 teams being suggested is definitely way too low. I think where the standard of our club game is, 12 is probably fair enough. We definitely don't have enough to have 16 and still have a good standard intermediate championship that'll prepare teams for going up and will only create bigger gap between the two grades. It's good having maybe 3 or 4 teams next year that could've done OK in senior, if we put those teams like Fethard, Taghmon etc up senior as well, it's a slack enough standard for the rest playing each other in intermediate and doesn't really bring up standard putting anyone half decent up senior. End up with some kind of junior and a half level Championship.

Throughthemidfieldhewasstormin (Wexford) - Posts: 252 - 07/12/2023 20:47:57    2515923

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Replying To Throughthemidfieldhewasstormin:  "I'd leave it at 12 myself. Think it would leave the intermediate championship very poor otherwise. Keeps everything more competitive and meaningful at both levels. Could create a bigger gap between teams coming up and those already in senior. Could end up with a few more clubs up senior adding nothing and probably not developing too much by just trying to do enough to stay up and stagnating a bit. Nearly getting a false sense of where they're at. Instead having the 12 team championship where there's more competition and teams are better equipped going up. 8 teams being suggested is definitely way too low. I think where the standard of our club game is, 12 is probably fair enough. We definitely don't have enough to have 16 and still have a good standard intermediate championship that'll prepare teams for going up and will only create bigger gap between the two grades. It's good having maybe 3 or 4 teams next year that could've done OK in senior, if we put those teams like Fethard, Taghmon etc up senior as well, it's a slack enough standard for the rest playing each other in intermediate and doesn't really bring up standard putting anyone half decent up senior. End up with some kind of junior and a half level Championship."
That's a fair point also. I've accepted that we aren't going back to 16 teams per grade in the near future. Maybe if we sort out underage across all clubs the standard will rise sufficiently to revisit it in the future. 8 would be a disaster.
As regards our lack of success in Senior club hurling you have to look at who the successful clubs have been, including the 3 clubs who have won Leinster from here. If you look at the provincial and AI roll of honours they are largely made up of clubs who were dominating, either solely or 1 of a small group of clubs, their club championships at that particular time. Since Oularts dominance has ended that hasn't been the case here. And in some cases, Gorey and Martins especially, they have talented players to burn, good enough to win at least a Leinster, but they are miles behind other top clubs from other counties in terms of S and C. I watched back the KK- Gorey game back again and the friends from other counties were bang on, too many of Goreys best players just looked very unfit as the game went on.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11152 - 08/12/2023 08:25:21    2515942

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Replying To Viking66:  "That's a fair point also. I've accepted that we aren't going back to 16 teams per grade in the near future. Maybe if we sort out underage across all clubs the standard will rise sufficiently to revisit it in the future. 8 would be a disaster.
As regards our lack of success in Senior club hurling you have to look at who the successful clubs have been, including the 3 clubs who have won Leinster from here. If you look at the provincial and AI roll of honours they are largely made up of clubs who were dominating, either solely or 1 of a small group of clubs, their club championships at that particular time. Since Oularts dominance has ended that hasn't been the case here. And in some cases, Gorey and Martins especially, they have talented players to burn, good enough to win at least a Leinster, but they are miles behind other top clubs from other counties in terms of S and C. I watched back the KK- Gorey game back again and the friends from other counties were bang on, too many of Goreys best players just looked very unfit as the game went on."
Agree with a lot of that. Keeps going back to underage, you've to start from the bottom up at this game, not the top down. The conditioning and fitness is about 4/5 years behind the Munster teams, Kilkenny and Galway at all levels from senior to club to underage. It's been a noticeable stand out the last few years. It did show up Naomh Eanna v KK a good bit, Offaly were very far behind the rest at all levels with S&C but have definitely gone the right way of changing that and showing signs. In the grand scheme of things S&C should be the easiest thing to right (easiest not being the greatest way of saying it) when it comes to raising standards.

Throughthemidfieldhewasstormin (Wexford) - Posts: 252 - 10/12/2023 07:36:02    2516165

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Any other changes in club managements next year ? Presume clubs have their business done by now , preseason isn't far away

BacksAndForwards (Wexford) - Posts: 34 - 12/12/2023 10:49:55    2516452

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Replying To BacksAndForwards:  "Any other changes in club managements next year ? Presume clubs have their business done by now , preseason isn't far away"
Was reading Joe Hagan over Glynn in both codes next year, was only football this year, Skippy confirmed for Rathnure.

TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1495 - 12/12/2023 11:33:16    2516466

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Replying To BacksAndForwards:  "Any other changes in club managements next year ? Presume clubs have their business done by now , preseason isn't far away"
A good many clubs not sorted yet

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11152 - 12/12/2023 11:51:50    2516474

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