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Replying To GreenandRed:  "Those honest crooks are the best kind Machaire! In fairness I used to go with my Dad canvassing for a FF man in the 70s. Proper canvassing, speeches from pillars after Sunday mass, no posting comments on Instagram. I know what you mean about FG though. The media perception is more important than reality though FG are not the only one at that social media perception game. In how many countries can an apprentice doctor with no life experience become Prime Minister. I live in Meath and was delighted to see the local TD fall because he 'forgot' he owned a house. Your own Michael Fitzmaurice is a very decent man. If they do set up a Rural Party if they've a decent candidate here I'll give them my number one. They'll put a nice dent in the share of the rest of the parties."
Same as that. I hope they run candidates in Dublin and the other urban constituencies too,

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2414 - 07/06/2023 14:09:44    2484753

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Replying To MachaireConnacht:  "In fairness to FF they were honest crooks, as in you knew the score with them, notld and wink and all that, and originally started off helpingout those less fortunate. FG I always found much more repulsive as they claimed to be holier than thou but actually were just as bad and with a good dash of snobbery."
And now they are all the same.

KnockaineyAbú (Limerick) - Posts: 96 - 07/06/2023 14:10:48    2484754

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Replying To MachaireConnacht:  "In fairness to FF they were honest crooks, as in you knew the score with them, notld and wink and all that, and originally started off helpingout those less fortunate. FG I always found much more repulsive as they claimed to be holier than thou but actually were just as bad and with a good dash of snobbery."
You seem to have forgotten that Ireland lost its sovereignty under FF, that the economy went bust, that the IMF was brought in, that the ordinary ppl were forced to carry the can, some losing both their homes and livelihoods, that Bertie told the few ppl who predicted the crash that such negative ppl should commit suicide! Then both FF and FG bailed out the banks and screwed the people again with NAMA etc. And people still vote for those crooks…sickening

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1730 - 08/06/2023 11:58:01    2484903

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Replying To baire:  "You seem to have forgotten that Ireland lost its sovereignty under FF, that the economy went bust, that the IMF was brought in, that the ordinary ppl were forced to carry the can, some losing both their homes and livelihoods, that Bertie told the few ppl who predicted the crash that such negative ppl should commit suicide! Then both FF and FG bailed out the banks and screwed the people again with NAMA etc. And people still vote for those crooks…sickening"
FF, FG. Greens and Sinn Féin all voted to approve the bank bailout.

Pimples on the same backside.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2414 - 08/06/2023 12:03:51    2484904

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "FF, FG. Greens and Sinn Féin all voted to approve the bank bailout.

Pimples on the same backside."
Both FF and FG originated from Sinn Féin and many of the Greens are politicians who failed to get selected with FG.

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1730 - 08/06/2023 12:14:11    2484909

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Replying To baire:  "You seem to have forgotten that Ireland lost its sovereignty under FF, that the economy went bust, that the IMF was brought in, that the ordinary ppl were forced to carry the can, some losing both their homes and livelihoods, that Bertie told the few ppl who predicted the crash that such negative ppl should commit suicide! Then both FF and FG bailed out the banks and screwed the people again with NAMA etc. And people still vote for those crooks…sickening"
Unfortunately if the opposition parties were listened to 2+ years ago, we'd still be under a zero covid policy and there'd have been no GAA for the last 3 summers at all. The incumbents are selfish and corrupt, the rest are populist morons. Hard to know where to go

PressureKick (UK) - Posts: 204 - 08/06/2023 12:14:14    2484910

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "FF, FG. Greens and Sinn Féin all voted to approve the bank bailout.

Pimples on the same backside."
Agree. Sure the SF leader is exFF!

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1730 - 08/06/2023 13:08:22    2484920

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Could this stuff not be discussed on the non GAA thread or better still, some other moaning website.

letsgetgoing (Roscommon) - Posts: 443 - 08/06/2023 13:45:18    2484926

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Replying To letsgetgoing:  "Could this stuff not be discussed on the non GAA thread or better still, some other moaning website."
You ruined it for everyone now :-)

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2414 - 09/06/2023 18:59:32    2485170

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "You ruined it for everyone now :-)"
A campaign to ban GAA activity before 12 am on Sunday should be launched at CB level to enable people to attend to their spiritual needs.Ireland without spirituality is no Ireland at all

worple (Roscommon) - Posts: 339 - 10/06/2023 07:14:28    2485222

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Replying To worple:  "A campaign to ban GAA activity before 12 am on Sunday should be launched at CB level to enable people to attend to their spiritual needs.Ireland without spirituality is no Ireland at all"
Are you happy now Barney?

letsgetgoing (Roscommon) - Posts: 443 - 10/06/2023 13:47:14    2485255

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Joe Brolly is blaming Jim McGuinnrss for the demise of Gaelic Football.
However Dublins Kevin Heffernan started the process in 1974 when he unveiled a new way to win. He said Dublin was not a team ,but a co-operative. Kerry panicked and adopted the new game as well. Kerry should have stood their ground and let the new fad pass.

worple (Roscommon) - Posts: 339 - 11/06/2023 10:37:33    2485445

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Replying To worple:  "Joe Brolly is blaming Jim McGuinnrss for the demise of Gaelic Football.
However Dublins Kevin Heffernan started the process in 1974 when he unveiled a new way to win. He said Dublin was not a team ,but a co-operative. Kerry panicked and adopted the new game as well. Kerry should have stood their ground and let the new fad pass."
Dublin and Kerry did not invent a "new game." The only rule change that came about was the banning of the handpassed goal which was key part in Kerry's arsenal rather than Dublin.

Dublin and Kerry played the traditional game - as can be seen from the videos of their encounters - but at a much higher pace based on unprecedented fitness levels. Others caught up. No coincidence that Eugene McGee was first to break the monopoly with Offaly as he had been at forefront of improving fitness levels with UCD who were actually ahead of Heffo's Vinnies in early 70s.

There were lots of different influences at work. The training methods brought vast improvements in the game as a spectacle, no matter what you think of either of the three managers involved.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2414 - 11/06/2023 10:52:23    2485447

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "Dublin and Kerry did not invent a "new game." The only rule change that came about was the banning of the handpassed goal which was key part in Kerry's arsenal rather than Dublin.

Dublin and Kerry played the traditional game - as can be seen from the videos of their encounters - but at a much higher pace based on unprecedented fitness levels. Others caught up. No coincidence that Eugene McGee was first to break the monopoly with Offaly as he had been at forefront of improving fitness levels with UCD who were actually ahead of Heffo's Vinnies in early 70s.

There were lots of different influences at work. The training methods brought vast improvements in the game as a spectacle, no matter what you think of either of the three managers involved."
Sorry,Dublin invented the new game which Kerry adopted and then everyone else.
One of my first thrills was being taken in a rickety Ford car to the Connacht final in Castlebar in 1952.
If the spectators that day could be transported in time to a modern game they would think they had wandered into the wrong pitch.

worple (Roscommon) - Posts: 339 - 11/06/2023 12:58:54    2485474

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Replying To worple:  "Joe Brolly is blaming Jim McGuinnrss for the demise of Gaelic Football.
However Dublins Kevin Heffernan started the process in 1974 when he unveiled a new way to win. He said Dublin was not a team ,but a co-operative. Kerry panicked and adopted the new game as well. Kerry should have stood their ground and let the new fad pass."
That worked out really badly for that Kerry team didn't it? What was the name of their manager? Had an overrated group of footballers that are rarely referenced in talks about GAA history.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7259 - 11/06/2023 13:25:49    2485478

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "Dublin and Kerry did not invent a "new game." The only rule change that came about was the banning of the handpassed goal which was key part in Kerry's arsenal rather than Dublin.

Dublin and Kerry played the traditional game - as can be seen from the videos of their encounters - but at a much higher pace based on unprecedented fitness levels. Others caught up. No coincidence that Eugene McGee was first to break the monopoly with Offaly as he had been at forefront of improving fitness levels with UCD who were actually ahead of Heffo's Vinnies in early 70s.

There were lots of different influences at work. The training methods brought vast improvements in the game as a spectacle, no matter what you think of either of the three managers involved."
Correct.

SimonstownBack (Meath) - Posts: 143 - 11/06/2023 15:35:33    2485514

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Spread in the Roscommon/Kildare game is 4. I'd fancy Rossies to cover that,

Not so much Dublin at -13 although they ought to win comfortably enough if on their game.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2414 - 12/06/2023 19:47:38    2486041

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "Spread in the Roscommon/Kildare game is 4. I'd fancy Rossies to cover that,

Not so much Dublin at -13 although they ought to win comfortably enough if on their game."
Actually think our game with Kildare will be very close, some people writing Kildare off completely!

I expect us to win and (just about) beat the spread, but I'd be surprised if the Dubs aren't top of the group Sunday evening.

TobeaRossie (Roscommon) - Posts: 116 - 13/06/2023 10:41:22    2486111

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Replying To TobeaRossie:  "Actually think our game with Kildare will be very close, some people writing Kildare off completely!

I expect us to win and (just about) beat the spread, but I'd be surprised if the Dubs aren't top of the group Sunday evening."
I can't see anything other than a Roscommon win, and a relatively comfortable one. Other than Dublin vastly under-performing against them in Leinster semi-final - and i admit they are well capable of doing so again - Kildare have been predictably abysmal all year.

Will be interesting to see how Kildare and Sligo set up. Their realistic shot at third depends on keeping down the score. Now that can either lead to another tiresome circle the wagons, OR alternatively, one or other might try and establish an early lead and like the unfancied horse in the 2 mile hurdle hope to get so far ahead that when they are pegged back they will still only get beaten by a few lengths and run into a place.

(This is why i am not a coach probably ..)

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2414 - 13/06/2023 11:10:03    2486122

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Replying To TobeaRossie:  "Actually think our game with Kildare will be very close, some people writing Kildare off completely!

I expect us to win and (just about) beat the spread, but I'd be surprised if the Dubs aren't top of the group Sunday evening."
Same here as I can see Dublin repeating their Laois and Louth scores while we'll be thankful to get any kind of win.
A loss would put us 3rd and away to most likely Kerry, Tyrone or Monaghan.

Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1279 - 13/06/2023 11:21:04    2486127

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