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Sanctions For Playing In America For The Summer

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Replying To ball1:  "The GAA transfer list and sanctions list doesn't seem to be public anymore - could always see it but link doesnt work anymore.
Anyone know why this is? Nice to see what big names are heading to the states on it."
Not sure how US immigration reacts to Irishmen heading to work for the summer. Posting their names would be a red flag to the American immigration, who already are in high alert. Just try entering any airport, it's like a concentration camp. I remember Diarmuid Connolly of Dublin wasn't let in a few years ago.

Ryanteam (Cork) - Posts: 132 - 08/06/2023 16:25:36    2484972

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Tomsmith here

I would have alot of sympathy for people being turned back going out to the US to play for pay.
Some people that run teams in the US do so to gain popularity among the Irish in the US.
One has to ask what is the view of a Club that looses some of its best players and get relegated in ones local competition here in Ireland .
Do you train players for US money bags to Cherry pick the best players from ones Club to go to the US to play for pay.
Block layers, Builders, Farmers and Hotels are crying out for people to Work here during the summer.

tomsmith (Cavan) - Posts: 3758 - 08/06/2023 16:54:50    2484989

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Replying To Ryanteam:  "Not sure how US immigration reacts to Irishmen heading to work for the summer. Posting their names would be a red flag to the American immigration, who already are in high alert. Just try entering any airport, it's like a concentration camp. I remember Diarmuid Connolly of Dublin wasn't let in a few years ago."
If you're a student it's fine as the J1 visa covers you for 90 days or whatever it is.

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 8893 - 08/06/2023 16:55:56    2484990

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Replying To ball1:  "The GAA transfer list and sanctions list doesn't seem to be public anymore - could always see it but link doesnt work anymore.
Anyone know why this is? Nice to see what big names are heading to the states on it."
Site still down. Next Monday I think would be a good wager as time of restoration.

Gaa Fan (USA) - Posts: 738 - 08/06/2023 20:40:34    2485027

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The GAA hold the rights to no player until they are have a signed contract that includes salary and benefits. Clubs struggle to field teams at times while these players are away. Its their right to travel but what are the result. Joe keeps coming to training while John is away (getting paid) and gets dropped off the team when John returns. Someone said Joe should be glad to have got in. Really ? The team would be out of the championship without him. How about the club show some loyalty to Joe and lets see what value John will have over seas if he is the now the one the bench for the year.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2629 - 09/06/2023 14:17:46    2485129

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Replying To Gaa Fan:  "Site still down. Next Monday I think would be a good wager as time of restoration."
Sanction lists to Canada GAA and USGAA are now posted.
New York sanctions state: Access Denied. You don't have permissions to access this resource.

All Inter-County transfer names are blank, this would apply to all transfers.

Gaa Fan (USA) - Posts: 738 - 09/06/2023 15:24:58    2485146

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Replying To Canuck:  "The GAA hold the rights to no player until they are have a signed contract that includes salary and benefits. Clubs struggle to field teams at times while these players are away. Its their right to travel but what are the result. Joe keeps coming to training while John is away (getting paid) and gets dropped off the team when John returns. Someone said Joe should be glad to have got in. Really ? The team would be out of the championship without him. How about the club show some loyalty to Joe and lets see what value John will have over seas if he is the now the one the bench for the year."
John can transfer to another club, if he is be victimised for travelling, or he can decide to stop playing GAA sports and try another. As for his value overseas, if John got on well at his club abroad, I'm sure they (and other clubs) would be keen to have him back.

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2350 - 09/06/2023 21:41:32    2485192

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Some of those playing in Chicago last year who were also on inter county teams were not students. I'm not sure how they worked J1 sanctions for them

muscles (Sligo) - Posts: 420 - 09/06/2023 22:49:26    2485198

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Replying To Gaa Fan:  "Sanction lists to Canada GAA and USGAA are now posted.
New York sanctions state: Access Denied. You don't have permissions to access this resource.

All Inter-County transfer names are blank, this would apply to all transfers."
Did some research:
New York Added in 2023 via transfers.
Adam Loughlin, March 10, 2023, Westmeath to Westmeath H7F
Gavin O'Brien, March 17, 2023, Kerry to Kerry
Shane Bolger, March 17, 2023, Laois to Brooklyn Shamrocks
Robert Wharton, March 10, 2023, Kerry to Westmeath
Liam Kearney, May 5, 2023, Kerry to Kerry
Padraig Studdard, March 17, 2023, Armagh to Armagh

Gaa Fan (USA) - Posts: 738 - 10/06/2023 02:42:22    2485214

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Liam Moloney is the secretary of USGAA and he signed off on Uitan Harney as an inter county transfer

louthspeaker (Louth) - Posts: 41 - 10/06/2023 02:58:41    2485215

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Replying To Canuck:  "The GAA hold the rights to no player until they are have a signed contract that includes salary and benefits. Clubs struggle to field teams at times while these players are away. Its their right to travel but what are the result. Joe keeps coming to training while John is away (getting paid) and gets dropped off the team when John returns. Someone said Joe should be glad to have got in. Really ? The team would be out of the championship without him. How about the club show some loyalty to Joe and lets see what value John will have over seas if he is the now the one the bench for the year."
1. Not all Johns get paid. Vast majority of players who head to the US for the summer are students who do so for the experience.

2. Vast majority of club championships don't start until the end of the summer so the players have returned from the US.

3. Clubs are well within their rights to stick with the loyal Joes when the John's have returned.

I don't know why this is do difficult for some people. There is a big world outside the club GAA bubble. You're only young once. The club will not fold over a few young lads spending a couple of months away.

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 8893 - 10/06/2023 08:20:40    2485226

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Replying To Lockjaw:  "1. Not all Johns get paid. Vast majority of players who head to the US for the summer are students who do so for the experience.

2. Vast majority of club championships don't start until the end of the summer so the players have returned from the US.

3. Clubs are well within their rights to stick with the loyal Joes when the John's have returned.

I don't know why this is do difficult for some people. There is a big world outside the club GAA bubble. You're only young once. The club will not fold over a few young lads spending a couple of months away."
Lockjaw I am not saying players should not travel and experience other worlds outside. The majority are getting paid in some form or other. Some well paid and I have proof of that. Also good for them benefiting from their skill. However no need to be in denial of some of the effects on the local club. Especially the small ones. There are examples of rounds of club championships completed before they return because their over seas team are active and vying for honours. Joe is often the one who's father and fore fathers kept the club alive. Sometimes he is a farmer who used his time and machinery to develop the field and will not travel because he has commitments at home. These commitments may make him think about continuing when bumped off the team. Someone suggested he go some where else. Image ? A live time commitment to his parish, club and family tradition. It may be asked how many are effected this way. One is one too many. I don't have the answer but not recognizing the facts is typical. Maybe a player should only play for one team in a calendar year or some other control.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2629 - 10/06/2023 18:51:16    2485332

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Replying To Canuck:  "Lockjaw I am not saying players should not travel and experience other worlds outside. The majority are getting paid in some form or other. Some well paid and I have proof of that. Also good for them benefiting from their skill. However no need to be in denial of some of the effects on the local club. Especially the small ones. There are examples of rounds of club championships completed before they return because their over seas team are active and vying for honours. Joe is often the one who's father and fore fathers kept the club alive. Sometimes he is a farmer who used his time and machinery to develop the field and will not travel because he has commitments at home. These commitments may make him think about continuing when bumped off the team. Someone suggested he go some where else. Image ? A live time commitment to his parish, club and family tradition. It may be asked how many are effected this way. One is one too many. I don't have the answer but not recognizing the facts is typical. Maybe a player should only play for one team in a calendar year or some other control."
The county players yes but most aren't paid. They are helped find jobs & accommodation but my own experience in New York was that I paid my own way.

Every club in the country has their stalwarts & the GAA would not survive without them. But if a club is in danger because a couple of young lads head away for 3 months then there are more fundamental problems at that club.

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 8893 - 11/06/2023 22:06:19    2485643

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Replying To Lockjaw:  "The county players yes but most aren't paid. They are helped find jobs & accommodation but my own experience in New York was that I paid my own way.

Every club in the country has their stalwarts & the GAA would not survive without them. But if a club is in danger because a couple of young lads head away for 3 months then there are more fundamental problems at that club."
Let me ask you another question. These over seas clubs are part of the GAA. The New York board etc. How come you can't play for two clubs in Ireland. Like a junior player play for a different senior team. What is there difference of a hurler in Waterford or Kilkenny going to Donegal for a weekend and playing there. These clubs in Chicago, New York , Boston are trying to integrate nationals and locals into their teams. This does not seem like the best formula.
No problem with players going but you transfer properly and play for one team. Also it is not limited to young players as established mature players also go. You must be the exception to the rule as every player I know players are getting taken care of in some form and rightly so. Also been involved with the process. Your local club in Ireland does not act as an employment agency if you are out of work or finding accommodation if no place to live.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2629 - 12/06/2023 18:14:08    2486008

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Replying To Lockjaw:  "The county players yes but most aren't paid. They are helped find jobs & accommodation but my own experience in New York was that I paid my own way.

Every club in the country has their stalwarts & the GAA would not survive without them. But if a club is in danger because a couple of young lads head away for 3 months then there are more fundamental problems at that club."
Let me ask you another question. These over seas clubs are part of the GAA. The New York board etc. How come you can't play for two clubs in Ireland. Like a junior player play for a different senior team. What is there difference of a hurler in Waterford or Kilkenny going to Donegal for a weekend and playing there. These clubs in Chicago, New York , Boston are trying to integrate nationals and locals into their teams. This does not seem like the best formula.
No problem with players going but you transfer properly and play for one team. Also it is not limited to young players as established mature players also go. You must be the exception to the rule as every player I know players are getting taken care of in some form and rightly so. Also been involved with the process. Your local club in Ireland does not act as an employment agency if you are out of work or finding accommodation if no place to live.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2629 - 12/06/2023 18:33:18    2486014

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Replying To Canuck:  "Let me ask you another question. These over seas clubs are part of the GAA. The New York board etc. How come you can't play for two clubs in Ireland. Like a junior player play for a different senior team. What is there difference of a hurler in Waterford or Kilkenny going to Donegal for a weekend and playing there. These clubs in Chicago, New York , Boston are trying to integrate nationals and locals into their teams. This does not seem like the best formula.
No problem with players going but you transfer properly and play for one team. Also it is not limited to young players as established mature players also go. You must be the exception to the rule as every player I know players are getting taken care of in some form and rightly so. Also been involved with the process. Your local club in Ireland does not act as an employment agency if you are out of work or finding accommodation if no place to live."
Many clubs do help with work and accommodation if struggling to find a place. its natural and happens all the times in many other sports as well.
would think a lot less of a club if they refused or didnt help if they knew of a player in their club struggling

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3375 - 12/06/2023 19:41:07    2486039

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Replying To Canuck:  "Let me ask you another question. These over seas clubs are part of the GAA. The New York board etc. How come you can't play for two clubs in Ireland. Like a junior player play for a different senior team. What is there difference of a hurler in Waterford or Kilkenny going to Donegal for a weekend and playing there. These clubs in Chicago, New York , Boston are trying to integrate nationals and locals into their teams. This does not seem like the best formula.
No problem with players going but you transfer properly and play for one team. Also it is not limited to young players as established mature players also go. You must be the exception to the rule as every player I know players are getting taken care of in some form and rightly so. Also been involved with the process. Your local club in Ireland does not act as an employment agency if you are out of work or finding accommodation if no place to live."
Many clubs in Ireland assist members or others with finding work/place to live for members who are struggling. same with other sports. rugby has been doing it for decades and decades and offered help to new players and current members.
dont be naive and think GAA clubs dont do it

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3375 - 12/06/2023 19:53:51    2486042

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Replying To Canuck:  "Let me ask you another question. These over seas clubs are part of the GAA. The New York board etc. How come you can't play for two clubs in Ireland. Like a junior player play for a different senior team. What is there difference of a hurler in Waterford or Kilkenny going to Donegal for a weekend and playing there. These clubs in Chicago, New York , Boston are trying to integrate nationals and locals into their teams. This does not seem like the best formula.
No problem with players going but you transfer properly and play for one team. Also it is not limited to young players as established mature players also go. You must be the exception to the rule as every player I know players are getting taken care of in some form and rightly so. Also been involved with the process. Your local club in Ireland does not act as an employment agency if you are out of work or finding accommodation if no place to live."
Make all transfers for a minimum 9 months !

Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1145 - 12/06/2023 20:35:01    2486052

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Replying To Canuck:  "Let me ask you another question. These over seas clubs are part of the GAA. The New York board etc. How come you can't play for two clubs in Ireland. Like a junior player play for a different senior team. What is there difference of a hurler in Waterford or Kilkenny going to Donegal for a weekend and playing there. These clubs in Chicago, New York , Boston are trying to integrate nationals and locals into their teams. This does not seem like the best formula.
No problem with players going but you transfer properly and play for one team. Also it is not limited to young players as established mature players also go. You must be the exception to the rule as every player I know players are getting taken care of in some form and rightly so. Also been involved with the process. Your local club in Ireland does not act as an employment agency if you are out of work or finding accommodation if no place to live."
But it's a completely different set of circumstances. You're not comparing apples with apples here. I would agree wholeheartedly with you that spurious, short term transfers between clubs in Ireland shouldn't be allowed.

But with the vast majority of US sanctions, it's widely accepted that it's a temporary deal. Those that go will train, play a bit of ball & expand their horizons.

I know GAA clubs aren't meant to be employment agencies. But again, we're not talking about the same thing here. Helping each other out, offering a bed or a sofa etc, is part of what makes us Irish/GAA people. It's what we do. My own J1 experience was that I got a few contact numbers from within the Donegal NY GAA community, and I through those I got a roof over my head & construction work for my spending money for the summer.

You're making it sound like some sort of Premier League over there where mercenary footballers go & seek out the highest bidders.

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 8893 - 12/06/2023 21:07:02    2486057

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Replying To Canuck:  "The GAA hold the rights to no player until they are have a signed contract that includes salary and benefits. Clubs struggle to field teams at times while these players are away. Its their right to travel but what are the result. Joe keeps coming to training while John is away (getting paid) and gets dropped off the team when John returns. Someone said Joe should be glad to have got in. Really ? The team would be out of the championship without him. How about the club show some loyalty to Joe and lets see what value John will have over seas if he is the now the one the bench for the year."
If Joe was good enough he would be starting ahead of John. Is their no second team in the club for the likes of Joe?

sourmilk93 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1124 - 13/06/2023 10:37:32    2486108

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