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Does anyone have ideas to save the provincial championships or make them more competitive? GaA247 (Cork) - Posts: 58 - 27/04/2023 20:48:18 2474295 Link 1 |
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Connacht and Ulster aren't doing too bad. Munster is 1 football County and 5 Hurling ones. Leinster is just a training spin for Dublin as Kikdare/Meath/Laois/Offaly went downwards over the last 15 years. Let's see how the system goes next few years as middle Counties try to escape the TC via the Provincials. Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1438 - 28/04/2023 10:27:37 2474327 Link 0 |
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How did home advantage work out for Laois v Dublin? Kerry have won provincial titles playing all games away from home. The reason again that Kerry's provincial titles are far more respected than Dublin winning all their provincial semi-finals and finals with their chosen league home ground for home advantage. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7871 - 28/04/2023 11:21:33 2474339 Link 1 |
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I'd like them to be at the start of the season and the winners qualify for the All Ireland and Finalists get to play off for a place in the All Ireland. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4238 - 28/04/2023 11:33:07 2474344 Link 2 |
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Munster and Leinster need to get their respective acts together! Simples! Connacht and Ulster are great provincial championships - the rest of the country can take their hands off the neck of the provincials, we're still enjoying ours thank you very much. They're still brilliant when competitive, as in the case of Connacht and Ulster. They've massive history. They've real rivalries and real bragging rights at stake. They mean a lot. A Connacht medal is something to show the grandkids, 4th in a 12 team round robin leaves nothing to show anyone down the line!! An open draw would be a fast fleeting novelty, imo. I know where most Galway football followers I know would rather be going, an annual showdown with one of the neighbours and auld enemies (a Mayo or a Ros) or some open draw, half meaningless, round robin, quasi league game vs some county with no real rivalry or bite in it from another province. Meath and Kildare in particular have been immense let downs for years - time to compete. Same with Cork. Massive populations, they can do so much more. Sort it out! togoutlads (Galway) - Posts: 906 - 28/04/2023 12:09:30 2474355 Link 1 |
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It is obvious but taking Dublin out of the Leinster championship would make it a decent competition. PattyONeill (Derry) - Posts: 223 - 28/04/2023 12:10:26 2474356 Link 1 |
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I like the 2 tier proposal. Otherwise just scrap them. sponger (Wicklow) - Posts: 2897 - 28/04/2023 12:30:08 2474360 Link 0 |
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Like the Intermediate Club Championships, excellent competitions but at 2nd tier level
Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1438 - 28/04/2023 12:37:57 2474363 Link 0 |
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Both the Connacht and Munster finals will have tiny attendances this year. Dublin will annihilate everyone in Leinster again for the 10th year in a row. The provencials are dead in football and the quicker they are gotten rid of and the quicker the league adopted as the championship the better. They can't be fixed and anyone who wants to persevere with them is deluded. It's frustrating that we could have such a fantastic product but the dinosaurs in the GAA want to hold onto something that's well past its sell by date. centrefield99 (Galway) - Posts: 105 - 28/04/2023 14:06:06 2474390 Link 0 |
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Tiered provincial championships could be considered. Connacht, Munster and Leinster would possibly suit 4 each in Tier 1. Ulster having 8. 7 Leinster counties could compete in a Tier 2 Eastern Conference. 1 Ulster, 2 Munster and 3 Connacht (including London and New York) could also compete in a Tier 2 Western Conference. The winner of both conferences being promoted to enter their provincial championship in the following year. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7871 - 28/04/2023 14:09:30 2474391 Link 1 |
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revert back to old knock out provincial chanmpionships for Liam McCarthy in hurling and Sam McGuire in football, running from mid May to end of August, Club championships there after, to be completed at Christmas..month of January totally free, National League in both codes to run from February to end of April. Another cup and a decent prize for all teams who make knockout stages etc. this mickey mouse microwaving of our interprovincial championships is not on at all..the national leagues need to be properly structured and rewarded etc.. Fairplayalways (Offaly) - Posts: 1034 - 28/04/2023 14:19:40 2474393 Link 0 |
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Separate provincials from All Ireland series so they have no bearing on what stage you enter the All Ireland series. So called stronger counties won't have them as high a priority in that case and could even the playing field a bit. A very small bit! Finish the league later, run provincial rounds during the league and say have 2 league rounds after provincials finish so that counties have meaningful games right before All Ireland and Tailteann starts without big gaps for some and no gaps for others. GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7360 - 28/04/2023 14:24:52 2474394 Link 2 |
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Some provinces are more salvageable than others. I don't think the Leinster Championship can be saved. If you tier it, nobody will go to the lower tier games. It's still a spectator sport and the entertainment or intrigue factor (after so many years of inevitable thrashings due to a ever-widening investment and capability gap) is so low that any effort to tier it (which was tried for 4 counties in 2000) would be reduced to ridicule and attendances would be reminiscent of All-Ireland B Championship circa late 1990's. Kill it, won't miss it, move on. LongfordgaaAbú (Longford) - Posts: 473 - 28/04/2023 15:16:14 2474406 Link 0 |
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In England they have regional competitions and strong clubs play their under 23 team. I know I'm clutching at straws but when most successful sports competitions are based on ability, and not geographical locations, the only way is to level the playing field! Ban (Westmeath) - Posts: 1415 - 28/04/2023 15:17:53 2474407 Link 0 |
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You make a good point about running the provincial championships during the league. 1. NFL R1 2. NFL R2 3. Provincial championship preliminary round. 4. Break 5. NFL R3 6. NFL R4 7. Provincial quarter-finals 8. Break 9. NFL R5 10. NFL R6 11. Provincial semi-finals 12. Break 13. NFL R7 14. NFL finals 15. Provincial finals I'm not sure about cutting the provincial link to the All-Ireland. When Tailteann winners are qualifying for the All-Ireland, it seems fair enough to continue allowing provincial finalists qualify as well. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7871 - 28/04/2023 15:30:59 2474414 Link 0 |
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No!
Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1438 - 28/04/2023 15:34:20 2474415 Link 0 |
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Cork while stronger in hurling are a dual county who did the double twice. Tipperary (munster) have more football all ireland s than Roscommon and Cork have won Sam 3 times since the Rossies were in a final. Also since the qualifiers came in there havc e been 3 all ireland finals with teams from the same province 2003 Ulster (Tyrone v Armagh) and twice Munster (Kerry v Cork) 2007 and 2009. Yes Kerry seem to be stronger but both Tipp and Cork have won titles in the last 13 years.In recent times Kerry Cork Tipp Clare and Limerick have all been in all ireland quarter finals and Tipp have beaten the likes of Galway to reach semi final. Not bad for a hurling province.
CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3678 - 28/04/2023 15:38:23 2474417 Link 1 |
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Its not a product - its a way of life. If you want a product go watch soccer and the EPL. The provincials have been ruined since the introduction of the backdoor system - which was only brought in to increase revenue, money for monies sake. Bring back the old knockout system, and some year Dublin/Kerry by chance will have a stack of injuries or a generation thats not as good as per usual and they'll get knocked out. You could end up with Galway v Derry, Tipp v Westmeath, Carlow v Armagh in an All Ireland final, which would be far more enjoyable than this absolute puke we're left with year on year of Dublin, Kerry, Mayo, and a selection of Tyrone, Galway, Donegal - in All Ireland finals. Its gotten to the stage now where I've stopped watching at the semi final stage and go watch my clubs reserve games instead, once I see Kerry v Mayo, etc... Mickod88 (Monaghan) - Posts: 49 - 28/04/2023 16:00:33 2474419 Link 0 |
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Yawn. Trotting over the same aul ground again here lads. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12036 - 28/04/2023 16:14:28 2474421 Link 0 |
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Such a ridiculous post. Why have Kildare and Meath gone backways? It's because Leinster is unwinnable. There's only so many beatings you can take before you lose all confidence or walk away. Only Mayo, Kerry and Donegal have managed to beat Dublin in twelve years of Championship Football. Take Roscommon for example. They took two 18 point beatings in the Super 8s off the Dublin. If they got that for 5/6 consecutive years , you'd soon see their form tail off.
Malonemagic (Laois) - Posts: 767 - 28/04/2023 16:32:56 2474425 Link 0 |